Comments 5

This is the fifth general comment page, related to the Mandela Effect. Threads on this page were started 30 Oct 2014, or slightly later.

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  1. Things I remember:
    – The Henry VIII painting. This one is the one that really got me. I wasn’t aware it didn’t exist anymore until I found this website. Not being able to find it felt like being punched in the gut. I can see it vividly in my mind’s eye, I was certain my family must remember it too because it had been in history textbooks at school. They insist they have no recollection of it. I remember it being a very well known painting. Everyone associated Henry VIII with chicken legs. It seems ridiculous know but I know as a child it was true! I saw him in various cartoons with them. It was almost like his trademark, because of that painting.
    – New Zealand being in a different place. My aunt used to live there and it was NOT off the East coast of Australia. I actually remember it being ATTACHED to Aus, does anybody else?
    – Tank boy dying – there were gifs all over the internet! Never forgot because they were horribly gruesome. Spent ages trying to find them to no avail.
    – Nelson Mandela was dead, without a doubt.
    – There were 52 states.

    Other than these more popular ones, there’ve been two times in my life I’ve already seen movies that have apparently just come out and already knew everything that happened in them. It’s always a bit confusing to me whether that’s a mandela effect thing or just a precognition thing, because I have had precognitive dreams for most of my life. Reality has always been a bit of a blurry thing for me, I’ve never seen how most people believe it’s so concrete and solid. It clearly isn’t. Science proves that more and more every year. I suspect people just don’t want to acknowledge any of this stuff because at first it can be quite unsettling.

    I’m wondering, do any of you have a sense of all of this strange-ness becoming more and more pronounced recently? Anomalies showing up thick and fast? It’s burning my biscuits trying to figure out whether it all actually is speeding up or I’m just becoming more aware of it and noticing more. I am sure I saw something from Bashar about timelines colliding more, last year or 2012 maybe? I didn’t listen to much of it at the time but I’ll see if I can find it now because it’s definitely relevant to the mandela effect.

    Also I didn’t read through this whole page so apologies if I’m repeating too much!

    1. Perhaps some of my musings may be helpful,i remember that life was compartmentalised rather than seamless that it now is.A picnic was an event of a lifetime not a daily routine,big money had its utility.A pair of shoes that cost 100$ can now be had for 20$,a 30$ nokia phone is as sophisticated as 300$ nokia phone.The whole concept of capitalism vs communism has lost its meaning,the craze for big money was a driving force that created entrepeuners.J.H.Chase brilliantly churned out crime literature based on this craze and became an industry by himself.Bourgeois,once a coveted lifestyle has become abhorrent,a blend of urban nomad and convenience has resulted in apartment culture.Mark Girland’s lifestyle has become the in thing,ruthless efficieny and killer instinct.All this has taken its toll on the collective psyche,a totally laid back and nonchalant attitude has become an impossibility.If the brain fries up in these changed times,it is to be expected.

  2. In 2008, I read a Shirley Temple biography for a school project. I don’t recall how it said she died but I think I remember reading about it. I can’t remember the title of this book but I’ll ask my brother to go to school and track it down. Anyone else read it?

  3. I have meories of Wyclef Jean’s death in Honduras. I heard the announcement of his death on the radio, in the following days I over-heard several conversations in public of people discussing the impact that Wyclef’s songs had on their life and their sadness at his passing, and images on the news of candlelight vigils where Fugees songs were playing, specifically Wyclef’s version of “No Woman No Cry.” Several months later his name popped up in the celebrity features on the news. My immediate thought was deep confusion because my memories were from various sources over several days and I knew I was not mistaken. I googled for the info that I remembered and found out that Lisa “Left Eye” Lopes of the group TLC had died in Honduras and Wyclef was still alive.

  4. A mandela effect moment,i had always known jason statham as a tall guy,a yr ago i had googled about his attributes which indicated about 6’3″.Now imdb says 5’10” and in a forum people say he is 5’8.5″

  5. The only one currently listed that rang true for me was the Louie Anderson death and Family Feud cancellation (or at least hiatus) resulting from it. That I can definitely remember happening, and mentioned once to my girlfriend when we were watching the show, only to find that he was still alive and the show had never stopped airing, just switched hosts.

    Anyway, I have my own (kind of) to add. Unfortunately I have no corroborating evidence and my confidence in it is shaky at best, just because it’s a very routine/everyday thing and I just accepted that I goofed up. For some reason I swear that faucets used to be the other way around (with hot on the right and cold on the left). This is something pretty reflexive that you don’t really ever think about but just do all the time whether you’re washing your hands, dishes, taking a shower, etc. I distinctly remember the “switch”, when I was in Biology class in my senior year of high school. I was asked to go start the hot water running on the faucets in the bathroom so that we would have warm water with which to clean out some dishes we were using that day (the water took a while to heat up). So, I go to the bathroom and switch on all the faucets on the right-hand side, and go back to finish up my work. Then, when I come back with a classmate to rinse the things out, obviously they’re all ice cold, and my classmate calls me an idiot as he switches them, while I swear that “They’re backwards at my house” while he tells me no way. Anyway, I get back to class and even get teased a bit “Dan’s so smart but he doesn’t even know how to work a sink!” (I was kind of a nerd back then). Anyway, I got home to try it out and sure enough, hot was on the left there as it has been on every faucet ever since. I just accepted that I had clearly remembered it wrong and moved on, didn’t really think about it again until stumbling upon a Reddit thread similarly themed to this site.

    Also, when I looked it up there was even a distinct reason for cold on the right and hot on the left (cold faucet was already there from the start, on the right since most people are right-handed–makes sense–and then with the advent of hot water plumbing they just stuck the extra faucet on the other side), which made me doubt myself further. But who knows, there could have been just as distinct a reason in the alternate timeline…

    Anyway, anybody else remember hot water taps on the right?

    1. Dan, thanks for your comments!

      Also, the hot water tap must be on the right in several realities, or at least one reality that’s regularly visited.

      I travel often, and I’ve been amazed at the number of hotels, motels, B&Bs, and hostels that have the hot water tap on the right. It’s only a small percentage, but enough that I have difficulty believing they were all “mistakes,” or necessary due to plumbing issues. Enough homeowners and plumbers think it belongs on the right, that they must have a point of reference for it to make sense to them.

      Even more often, I find the issue in the shower.

      Interesting phenomenon!


    2. Yes! Now that you explain it, I have this memory too :). Funny how it slipped by so unnoticed. But yes, I distinctly remember hot (red design/logo) on the right hand knob and cold (blue) on the left knob at my old house.

    3. Yes. Hot water WAS on the right and cold on the left. Reading your post made me remember how I kept mixing this up sometime in or after 2003 (This was the year we moved into our new home). At the time I kept turning on the wrong valve and had to make a mental note for which my body has been on autopilot ever since. Of course, like most instances, it never occurred to me that something was amiss.

      1. I take it back, perhaps I misremembered on this one…(? Not sure why I went through a period of confusion w/them)

      2. This is weird because I remember a change around the same time.. I had just moved and remember using the knob on the left for the cold but got a surprise of hot water

    4. I remember sometime between 2001 and 2003 telling my boss that the maintenance people hooked up the water faucets backwards – I just remember her staring at me like I was crazy. I forgot about it until now but I tend to turn the faucets the wrong way when taking a shower – it is one knob! I thought I was crazy!

  6. Hello again.

    Once again, this is not a memory.
    But the case of Elisa Lam is extremely intriguing.

    The video the police released of her taken from the Cecil Hotel elevator was odd, and even odder was how she was found dead in the hotel’s water tank later.

      1. It isn’t exactly, no, but it is still worth adding to the research of alternate realities.

        While the Mandela effect is the primary research thread we have atm, it is important not to forget other possible threads that could link us with these strange worlds.

  7. Back when Amy Winehouse died I had the distinct memory of TV, internet and newspaper reporting Whitney Houston had died. It wasn’t until a few months later when I was told I was wrong by my sister and damn near flipped out on my family when they didn’t believe me.
    I eventually gave up on it but it still doesnt sit right when I think about it.
    I distinctly remember berenstein bears as well.
    But the ken that got me the most was dilemma.
    I’m an author, the title of one of my poems was “The Damnation Dilemna” I specifically chose those words for the alliteration and reputation of the “mn” sound. A few months ago when I had decided to publish my poetry I was typing up each one when I came across “The Damnation Dilemna” with the new spelling “The Damnation Dilemma” I got so frustrated with myself and my memory that I changed the name to “My Damnation Creation” before publishing.

  8. Interesting topic. I have often wondered about the number of states in recent years as I swore there were at least 51, maybe 52. Also it is definitely (and yes I usually spell that as ‘definAtely’ first), ‘Interview with A Vampire’ I only heard it called ‘The’ recently and that was because someone referenced this site. I even found my copy ( a copy of the original) on which I wrote the title as ‘Interview with A Vampire’ (now I need to see what happens when I try to play it!). Also I remembered Berenstein Bears, but you know I don’t remember when it was, I came across one of those books a few years back spelled with the ‘AIN’ ending and I was really confused, thought I had just misremembered it, but it felt strange fore sure.

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    AND I am sure it was ‘Sex IN the city’ which is funny because I remember seeing the title later as ‘Sex AND the city’ and I just thought to myself ‘Huh, funny, guess I remembered that one wrong.’ Funny how often we assume we remembered incorrectly, instead of thinking something may have been changed. We all tend to not trust our memories and more and more we feel unable to as memory itself slips from our grasp with all of the microwave radiation blasting at us from cell phones and towers, wifi and smart meters, 24/7..

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      1. I remember all the woman in my family saying sex in the city… I remember the picture on the poster was NEW YORK and it was at night, It said “Sex In the City” in yellow. the background also had a blue tint to it. IT HAD NO PINK.

    1. I think it’s more like we don’t USE our memories because we write everything down in our computers, cell phones, etc. The interesting thing about literacy is that, while we regard it as a mark of intelligence, the ability to write down everything means we no longer have to rely on our memories as much to recall information. Why memorize anything when all the information we could ever desire is available through our computers? Memory, like anything else, has to be used frequently in order to become stronger and better. We no longer trust our memories, so when weird things begin to change all around us, we just assume we remember them wrongly, when this may not be the case at all.

      Also, have you noticed how many people constantly walk around with their heads bowed over their cell phones? You’ll see groups of people sitting somewhere, every single one of them hopelessly addicted to their cell phones and barely interacting with each other. They can’t even take a vacation without viewing the world through that tiny screen. It is quite pathetic, really. They are in their own little worlds, noticing nothing, aware of nothing, so when changes happen to the things, places, and people around them, they aren’t going to know because they weren’t paying attention in the first place.

  9. Puzzled by the ‘Interview with THE Vampire’ film title – it might seem such a minor thing to most but it’s always been Interview with A Vampire for me and now that it’s THE Vampire it just seems like a whole different perspective as to the nature of the film?
    What’s worse is that when I first became aware of this discrepancy I was gobsmacked BUT it had only just been on the TV a couple of days before and I apparently hadn’t noticed on the TV guide or film itself???
    Even if there’s a logical explanation for these false memories then that itself would make a fascinating documentary.
    But Quantum science itself is currently in such a quandary that no sceptic can now easily dismiss what may have previously seemed outlandish theories.
    Most Quantum physicists today accept (some try not to think about it) that the world around us is just not how it seems. Their experiments and calculations show otherwise – ‘local’ reality and classical physics can’t explain what they see happening at the tiny quantum basic building blocks of absolutely everything in our universe.
    In a way it’s almost a little bit like a ‘Matrix’ film situation at present, where we think we live in a solid, reliable reality but scientists are now saying, ‘wait a minute, this doesn’t add up, there’s something weird going on here…’


    1. Mike, I’m not sure what to do with your comment.

      What you said is very good. I’ve approved the comment, but without your link blurb.

      The issue is… your link. The site looks commercial. Also, say you’re open to an offer for the domain name. So, this also looks like a classic backlink tactic, and I’m knee-deep in those. Most are filtered by Akismet and sent to the spam folder. (And, to be fair: they’re not as annoying as the troll-type comments.)

      On the other hand, it looks like you registered your domain name in 2011. Also, Wayback shows you were talking about the dilemma/dilemna issue early in 2012, long before I did. Good for you!

      So, I’m on the fence. Current content (at your site) with a link back to this website would tilt the scales in favor of including your comment’s link. Then, it’s more of a dialogue.

      Otherwise, while this might be a simple blunder, I’m uneasy enough to remove the backlink.

      The comment itself is very good, and appreciated.


  10. I remember the movie Bolt having a scene where Bolt and the cat are running around in a field with hay bales (it was part of the “traveling through America” segment).

  11. I know this isn’t anywhere to be found on this article, but I can swear up and down on my soul that DreamWorks released a “Shrek” movie entitled “Shrek The Final Chapter”. Only to find out days later that the movies’ name was ACTUALLY “Shrek The Third”. And NOBODY but me remembered this movie’s name being Shrek The Final Chapter. This dazed and confused me so much to the point where I had to research it more than a year (or two) later.

    I also have vivid memories of reading “BerenSTEIN Bears” books. Look, even my IPad says it’s the incorrect spelling and insists it Berenstain.

    What a crazy world we live in.

    1. Shrek the final chapter kind of sounds familiar… it could have been a working title, which was scrapped but word of out got out. If they changed it it would be because they decided to make a 4th movie so the 3rd I’ve was no longer the final chapter. I remember hearing rumors that the 4th Shrek movie was to be called Shrek goes fourth but then it was changed to Shrek forever after.

  12. I don’t know how common this is, and I’m wondering if it IS common. When I dream of a place I know – usually where I live currently, or my parent’s house (where I lived once) or the house I lived in until I was 11 or even just some area in my town, there are often small differences between the dream and my current reality. For instance, I live in a ground floor condo in a two story building and once I dreamed I was in the same condo, everything oriented the same way, except that I live on the second floor and there is a third floor above me. Or sometimes I look out the sliding glass door of my living room and the view is different. Or a street in town has different buildings. The places are similar enough to be recognized but have small differences, often realistic, though occasionally totally fanciful – i.e. my parents house is in the middle of what looks likes sand dunes instead of a neighborhood.
    I don’t really believe I am visiting other realities in my dreams – usually there are two many fanciful elements in the narratives of the dream and I am aware that I am dreaming, yet I wonder about the slight differences and if my mind is really creating them or tapping into something else…

  13. I definitely it BerenstEin Bears, as I was never sure whether to say “steen” or “stine.”
    To debunk the Justice League (potentially), their roster is constantly changing in the comics. There have been numerous incarnations of the JL, just like their have Avengers. Unless a specific character has disappeared from the DC comics altogether, this one is probably not too worrisome.
    Two things movie-wise have bothered me for a while. I clearly remember seeing the movie Billy Elliot on tv before in came out in theaters. I remember seeing ads for it as a kid and wondering why they were putting it back in theaters. I also remember seeing Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone twice in theaters, and the second time a scene was missing. I can’t remember the scene sadly, but I remember being very thrown off and later looking for it in the deleted scenes to no avail.

  14. Who remembers when River Phoenix died? I remember the exact date he died, because it was the same date my best friend died. I remember that day vividly. 10/14/1993. I happened upon a documentary today on Youtube and it said that he died on 10/31/1993. I googled him. All of a sudden the date of his death has changed to 10/31/1993. She was the first person I ever lost. She was only 23. The date is very clear in my head. I remember hearing about River Phoenix on that same date.

    1. Hi. The other Julia here…(if I had known I would have ended commenting so much on this website, I would have expanded my screen name.)

      River Phoenix’s death bothered me a lot, maybe because he was only six years younger than me, but I didn’t remember when it happened. I don’t ever remember hearing that it was on Halloween before. I do wonder if sometimes a date will be changed on one website, like Wikipedia, and other places on line followed suit, but I don’t see any evidence of that. And that definitely wouldn’t be the case in an old article. How very strange. And I’m sorry for your loss – you would definitely remember when such a difficult thing happened and that the deaths were the same day.

  15. Thousand things running through my mind at same time – just felt strong urge to write strange syncronity
    which just happend here – I’ve been reading these time slip stories couple days now – all kind of time traveling ideas interests me a lot . and just while ago found this site – well there are many things i recall
    also differently like some people here – right now same time i was writing this i listened old coast to coast
    episode – where they talked about Mandela effect and “who brought Kirk Douglas back from the dead” and I also remember that he died decades ago – well out of a whim i google Kirk Douglas dead (its Decemeber 2nd now 2014) and lo and behold – IT HAS HAPPENED again yesterday !!! – people magazine had released
    obituary of Kirk Douglas accidentally – havent even read the story – but saw very old KD there and post”Im very much alive” felt odd and spooky – like something is really not right here – kind of feeling

    I dont usually ever post anwhere – but considering this whole concept and timing – have to wonder once again – whats going on here… and “behind the curtains” of reality

    regads from Finland

  16. Am i the only one who thinks the flag of Mexico used to be orange, white and green? When i look at the current flag which is red, white and green it seems a bit off. If you take away the emblem in the middle it is the same as the italian flag, which i find peculiar.

    1. OMG, this is probably something I never would have noticed if you hadn’t mentioned it but I also definitely remember it as orange. I pulled up a copy so I could change the red to orange and it just looks right in a way that the “actual” flag doesn’t.

  17. I remember watching the Sound of Music in the late nineties, and I could have sworn Elsa and the Captain had gotten married, and Maria showed up right after…I distinctly remember a scene where Elsa is almost gloating on the church steps. Never seen the scene again, though.

  18. Well… I just spent nearly 3 and a half hours reading all the comments on this topic. Well just this page in particular. It’s really opened my eyes and shown me how much I’ve remembered that no one else seems to have, only a small amount of people, or you that I have found on this page. I’ve only stumbled across this site through a re-post of the Berenstein Bears topic, which being 16 now in 2014, I still grew up with. They were a classic and having all of the books passed down from my older sister, I loved them all. I loved when they would have the show on, at least to the memory I have of it. Another thing I recall was the topic of Shirley Temple’s death. When I was around 4 or 5 I would watch all of her movies since my Grandma got a set of VHS tapes that were a collection of her work. I heard that she got this set because of her passing, so I would always ask about “Well are they still going to call the drink a Shirley Temple?”, and other stuff like that since the idea of death was a foreign topic to me. Also, it’s shown to me that I’ve had certain conversations with people that they have no recollection ever speaking to me about. I remember every single detail of the conversation up to the point of where we were going, what we were doing, or even what time of day it was. That may be more of a “glitch in the matrix” type of thing, but it still astounds me. On another note, there’s been countless times where I have seen something and never again would I see it in exactly the same way. I can’t pin point any certain TV shows or movies, but reading everyone’s experiences of seeing alternate endings that don’t seem to exist seem so familiar. It’s such an eerie feeling.

    1. I agree with Maddie about tv shows and films changing or even disappearing – I’ve spent many hours over the last few years trying to track down an Australian-made heist movie (not The Money Movers!) that I saw twice in the 1980s (I remember discussing it with my brother before watching it a second time with him). I can’t recall the title but I vividly remember certain scenes – the film simply doesn’t exist any more! I’ve trawled through TV listings guides covering the period (looking at ALL the films broadcast) and searched generic links of Australian (and New Zealand and South African, in case my memory was playing tricks) films. I’ve posed the question on film forums – nobody recalls it!

      This is similar to a western I saw twice in the 70s – no sign of it after exhaustive searches and it’s most disconcerting. What’s just as unnerving is the search through the TV listings – they are occasionally different to what I remember -not just from watching at the time, but I used to keep the Christmas tv guides (sad, I know!), so over the years, whenever I was moving house, I’d come across them and flick through the schedules for Christmas day, just to remind myself of happy times with my family. I basically memorised the big movie premiers in particular – these simply don’t always match the listings I researched recently! It could be that someone has incorrectly transcribed some of the information, but it feels odd. I can’t compare the listings with the tv guides for a while, because they are boxed away in a storage unit, but the next time I come across them, I’ll make a point of checking!

      On other matters – for years I spelt ‘dilemna’ and as a child I recall that there were 52 states in the USA.

      Does anyone else recall Bob Hoskins dying about 7-8 years ago? I was staggered when his death was announced in 2014, as I remembered all the BBC news items about him dying years before.

  19. I significantly recall learning about 9/11 in the fifth grade (’05) but i can not recall where i was when it happened in 01… and I remember other stuff from that year like my brother’s birth… but not 9/11

  20. So wild that a topic on ATS brought me here, but THIS is where I’ve been looking for all along!

    A few months ago, I was literally FIGHTING with my Auto-Correct about “dilemna”, getting really pissed off that it was changing it to “dilemma”. WHERE did this “dilemma” come from?

    I am an English teacher with a degree in English and History, and I have clear memories of always reminding myself how to spell “dilemna” with that silent “n” in there.

    To me, this is proof of the Mandela Effect. There is no way I have lived almost 50 years spelling “dilemma” incorrectly. Why would those of us with those memories **want** to add in that unnecessary “n”? For me, that is how I was taught that the word was spelled.

    Fascinating site!!!

  21. A recent happening:

    For Halloween this year, I treated myself to the Deluxe Blu-Ray Box Set of all of the “Halloween” films. Most interesting to me was the never-before-released Producer’s Cut of “Halloween 6 – The Revenge Of Michael Myers,” which has entire extra plots and sequences not even touched on in the 1995 released version.

    The Producer’s Cut was leaked years ago and I was always tempted to buy a bootleg of it but never did. Watching it this Halloween 2014 was my first time to see this cut of the film.


    It freaked me out as it was a let-down to be all hyped to something that I had apparently seen before and knew quite well. But I had NEVER seen it before, only the official 1995 release, which does not contain the extra plots/scenes.

    Did I actually buy that bootleg DVD in another timestream/Earth?

    Same with this past Summer’s season of “Big Brother” here in the USA. I intimately realized that I already knew the faces of each and every contestant, knew all of their voices and mannerisms quite well, while watching the premiere episode for “the first time” back in July 2014.

    And I grew up with Bernstein Bears also.

  22. I definitely thought chartreuse was some sort of purple. I remember asking my mom about it, which was the first time I heard of it as a yellow-green. Of course the Berenstein bears one, which pretty much everyone has been saying. And New Zealand was north of Australia, though I am not very good at geography so who knows.

  23. I always thought TAPS and Ghost Hunters were two different shows, wow. There was also this one song that I’d heard when I was 8, back in 2007, and when I found it in 2013, I was delighted, because I loved that song.
    But then checking the details for it, the song was apparently made in ’10.
    It was in the soundtrack for an RPG, but that RPG wasn’t made until ’10, so I was really shocked.

    There was also a place I remember I went to as a child in my hometown, but when I recently went there to visit my grandparents, I couldn’t find it. The path I remembered taking to get there wasn’t even there. It was really weird, to say the least.

  24. This website and the subject of alternate memories are never far from my mind. I check it every day. Sometimes I don’t like the term “alternate memories.” Calling them alternate memories sort of seem to imply that you are looking back at an event and checking your personal memory database to see what comes up. And we all know that we can have false memories, but this is different. For example, watching some of Billy Graham’s funeral on tv and knowing that this major popular evangelist had died isn’t really a memory for me – it’s something I EXPERIENCED, if that makes sense. It was always true for me that he had died until I read that it wasn’t. (It’s STILL true for me but now I can in no way prove it.) It’s not like looking back on an event after not having thought about it for a long time. Same with always spelling the word “dilemna” until I starting reading “dilemma” everywhere, even in my 30 year old college dictionary. So skeptics may call them “alternate memories” with a pronounced eye-roll, but in some cases, for us, they are far more than that. What I would like and hope for someday is to be able to attend a conference on this topic, hear various lectures and speak to others who have the same or other experiences, since it’s really hard to bring this topic up in off-line life, even to people who were with you when you had your experience that is no longer true. (Maybe especially in that case.) It can feel like the whole world is try to “gas-light” you.

  25. I’m replying here to a few different topics;

    I have always known 9/11 as 9/11, never ever as 9/10.


    If i were to speak Mrs. Streisand’s first name, I would pronounce it “Barbra” but when typing or writing, I know I would put Barbara. I remember looking her up once online, and being confused because I knew I had remembered it always spelled Barbara, but pronounced barbra.

    I remember it as Berenstein Bears. I KNOW that’s what it always was. I also believe that there are some Berenstein Bears books in my basement on a big bookshelf, that i definitely plan to go look for tomorrow. And if they say Berenstain, that’s going to bug me so much.


    When I think of Chartreuse, for whatever reason, the first colour that popped into my head was a blue-green colour, followed closely by thinking “wait, or maybe a pink colour.” I feel more strongly that its a blue-green, but yellow-green would never have been a guess, and the more k think about it the more i swear that it was blue-green crayon and i’m tempted to go find old crayons and look.


    I definitely remember always spelling it D-E-F-I-N-I-T-E-L-Y. Always being taught that way. However I know that in school some people would always spell it definately. I always had trouble remembering the ordering of the letters to spell it myself, but definately wouldn’t be how i would spell it. But now I wonder about the people i know who spell it, or at least use to spell it, definately and whether they would say they remember being taught that way or not if i asked them.


    I have always known the spelling to be Dilemma. I haven’t heard of it ever the other way.


    I played a PS 1 game when i was really young. I remember i LOVED it, so much, and i rented it from the video store a couple of times but one time when i went back to renew it they said someone else had wanted it. The next time i went to the video store, i immediately went to go look for it, but it wasn’t there and mom said we’d look next time. I kept looking every time we went back after that and it was never there. My mom told me that someone must have rented it and lost it/broke it/or just never returned it so that they could keep it.

    Years later, i remembered the game, and i decided to look it up online to try and find it. I couldn’t remember the title, but i remembered exactly what the objective of the game was, so i did lots of searching with different details, and i could never find it.

    I still want to find it, i know it was a little kids game, but if by some miracle i find it, you better believe i will buy it and keep it, forever.


    I know that Ghost Hunters is named Ghost Hunters now, but I remember there being TAPS. I thought the first whole season was TAPS. but maybe that’s not true. Maybe it was just the first episode. Either way, I remember watching TAPS with my brother.


    I remember Tank boy and i remember him getting run over. in my mind, i can see the tank and the boy standing there, i know he was run over, i know i saw that.

    I also remember one of my history teachers talking to us about it, and how they were going to run him over, but said they finally did stop. — so he would disagree with me, but i remember it.

    As for whether it was a conspiracy and media manipulation or a Mandela Effect – I don’t really know.

  26. is it strange that i remember watching bee movie way before it came out? when it cam out i was like hey… i watched it before… is this a remake? but apparently it wasn’t and i’m terribly confused because i can clearly remember it.

  27. On IMDB it’s now called Interview with the Vampire: The Vampire Chronicles

    I’ve never seen that Chronicles part before, did they change it again?

    1. The books were always collectively known as “The Vampire Chronicles” so far as I know but I certainly don’t remember that ever being part of the movie title. It’s possible it’s a simple recent update to the title although a quick image search on Google shows that subtitle included on original movie posters, at least it does now, anyway. I’m just not sure how much I can trust the internet as a source of information anymore. It could be so easy to change stuff like this with advanced enough programming. Perhaps instead of movement between alternate realities we exist in a simulated reality and we are either being tested in some way or just being f#*ked with. I guess it need not even be a simulated reality for that matter, just media manipulation by some unknown party.

      1. I agree, Rick: It could be a simulated reality (a holodeck), maybe we’re shifting between realities (quantum style), and there could be some media manipulation in the mix, as well.

        I’m not convinced there’s just one answer to our questions. Maybe it’s a mix of things. Sure, the whole thing could be a holodeck-type experience, and the individual programming has some bugs in it. Robert Scheinfeld’s “Busting Loose…” books seem to suggest that, and his examples made sense to me. (Since reading one of his books, I’ve notice minor glitches around me, and — because my humor is quirky — I often talk out loud to whomever’s at the controls, pointing out each continuity lapse. But, hey, maybe I’ve re-watched “The Truman Show” movie too many times. LOL)

        But — more seriously — I also think at least some of the Tiananmen Square memories indicate media manipulation.

        The rest…? I haven’t a clue. I think it’s fascinating, whatever it is!

        1. If you feel like sharing, I’d be curious about some of the minor glitches you’ve experienced. I experience one a few months ago – think I wrote about it before so I won’t now. As far as my physical environment goes, it’s a bit cluttered, although better than it used to be, and I’m wondering if by clearing up both my environment and mind (as much as that’s possible) if I will notice more glitches.

          I decided to buy the book “Busting Loose” since I already accept that reality isn’t what it appears to me. Got it on my Kindle and am looking forward to reading it.

          1. Julia, I don’t mind sharing, even though this is going to sound completely weird. (I know… like Mandela Effect doesn’t, right…? LOL )

            They’re small things, like a painting that belongs on a wall and has been there for years. One day, when I glance at it, it’s missing. No painting, no hanger/nail for it, not even a mark where it had been. I’ll say (out loud), “Excuse me. Continuity glitch. Put the painting back.” And, when I glance back, it’s there again, exactly like it always had been.

            Or, things like he describes in “Busting Loose,” that are completely mundane and inconsequential, but they’re slightly wrong in continuity terms.

            The most frequent one, since I was about 20, is an unexplained tapping noise. It happens maybe two or three times a year. It’s a specific rhythm, and — even from the first time I heard it — I had the idea it came from “outside.” (I’m not sure where “outside” is, but the concept always seemed right to me. Kind of “Truman Show,” like someone building a new set or something, but the times my mom heard it, too, she swore it was her mother’s ghost.) When it annoys me, I’ll say, “Okay, stop that. It’s distracting me.” And, it will stop. (I’ve done this around enough other people — who also heard the tapping — that I know it’s not an illusion. And, one for one, people are always amazed when it stops. Their consistent reaction: “Wow, how’d you do that?” They always think it’s a trick.)

            Also, since you’ll be reading the book: the “Busting Loose” author takes a lot of time getting to the good information, but I think he’s writing for people who will think he sounds as crazy as a loon if he comes right out and says what he thinks. I definitely liked his basic concepts, and some of his references (like “Shore Leave” from the original Star Trek series). I should probably re-read that, myself. I thought his process — how to manage the reality shifts — seemed a little too complicated and structured, but maybe my attitude is too casual.

            This may reflect how much time I spent around Hollywood and the movie industry, plus how much I know about coding, but I think of the glitches as continuity errors in the holodeck programming. And, I assume someone (or the computer, itself) is listening, so I talk out loud to it when a glitch starts to annoy me. I don’t order them to do anything; I’m just noting a glitch and bringing it to the attention of someone, so the correct code is restored.

            I’m not sure how or if this fits with the Mandela Effect. Also, the glitches aren’t terribly important to me, so I don’t care if someone thinks this sounds utterly looney tunes. (For all I know, it is.) I just note the few glitches that irritate me, and ask whomever (or whatever) is listening to fix it. And, that usually works.

            This may have been going on since forever. My faerie research suggests that, for centuries, people blamed this kind of thing on faeries. The faerie version of glitches could be more malicious, but the concept — given a light treatment in Shakespeare’s “Midsummer Night’s Dream” — is about the same: Something is out-of-place or slightly wrong in continuity terms, and if you ask the faeries to put it back as it should be, they sometimes (only sometimes) will do what you ask.

            I hope that helps. (Then again, it might sound so completely daft, I’ve just lost a large number of readers…! LOL )


            1. Nah, it’s no more daft than our alternate memories of a famous person’s funeral, who later turns up alive, or geography changing, or movies and books changing titles. 🙂 I doubt you’ll lose any serious readers.

              I’m about a quarter into the book now. He’s finally gotten into quantum physics. It does help that I knew what he was going to be talking about going into it.

              I see that I wrote “me” instead of “be” above. (should have read “what reality seems to be.”) Drives me crazy but I do that all the time, ever since I was a kid and read “Freaky Friday.” Someone in the book has a cold and words that start with m or b come out wrong. I seem to have incorporated that into my brain. Weird. lol

            2. I’m replying again to your comments since I think I’m about halfway through Robert Scheinfeld’s book. (I don’t have my Kindle in front of me right now.) While I do think that what we think as reality is NOT entirely real and is primarily created by consciousness, he seems to be unreservedly arguing for solipsism. According to his views, I, Julia, have created the appearance of his book and ideas through my own consciousness. You, Fionna, are only an illusion (at least in my universe) and this website was not your creation, but mine. (Take that! 🙂 ) Everything I see is created by my own consciousness. Accepting that, there is no reason for me to ever watch the news and find out what is going on in the rest of the world – it’s all illusion. And unless I just like the pretense, I might as well stop giving to charity. My World Vision child in India is someone I imagined and isn’t out there (since there’s no “out there”) now getting enough to eat and the proper vaccinations due to WV because she doesn’t actually exist. If my parents speak to me, I have no need to answer them back to be polite because they only exist as projections of my own mind. They may get angry when I silently ignore them but it’s all part of my own game and isn’t really happening. I do wish I hadn’t created the illusion of ISIS – the thought of beheadings makes me particularly uncomfortable – I’ll have to make that illusion go away. Anyway, I’m being flippant and it’s kind of funny to think about, but it seems like this way of thinking could be really dangerous and selfish. Doesn’t that seem what he is honestly expressing? Can he really believe that?

              Now I do believe that our minds are incredibly powerful and that our thoughts can change things. And perhaps ultimately we are all one consciousness and we only have an illusion of separateness, however I know that I am not experiencing everything there IS to experience. There are other consciousnesses (what a word) who are REALLY experiencing pleasure or suffering that I am not. I think there may be paradox at work – we are BOTH all one and all separate. The author said we might find it disturbing to accept the TRUTH of what he’s saying – well, YEAH. (The idea that only I exist is truly disturbing and I think kind of ridiculous.)

              I hoping he has some practical ideas for bringing about positive changes further along in the book. But if I can’t accept what is his basis premise, will they still be helpful? (Rhetorical question.)

              I think that what we see as reality is created by an overarching creative consciousness as well as by individuals is some capacity. The matrix/holodeck idea makes me wonder if there are some individuals (whether they be “human” or “alien” or “spirits” that are interfering) but I don’t think it’s all ME. Often when I read about near-death experiences, the experiencer mentions that things seemed MORE REAL than they do in regular life. I hope that is an expression of TRUTH, because I do want to believe that something is real.

              Oh, one more thing. It’s interesting that he sees us as experiencing “The Human Game.” I agree that we are spiritual beings having a human experience. But often this is expressed not as a game but more of an experience with a purpose -for our spiritual growth. I would prefer that to be the truth and hope it is.

              1. Julia,

                Thanks for your comments!

                I’m nodding in agreement. There are some gaping holes in Scheinfeld’s conclusions. For me, the pieces don’t fit together. And, his semi-denial manner of resolving the issues and reconstructing a different reality… they seem awkward and stilted, at best. (I wrote them down on a 3×5 card and tried them for a few weeks. Zero results. For me, total dud.)

                However, I do like many of his suppositions, and keep referring back to my preferred context — assuming some of this is a holodeck — in the ST:TNG “Ship in a Bottle” episode, where Moriarty is somehow real, but contained inside the holodeck programming.

                If we nudge the holodeck concept forward, the question becomes what makes a personality “real” and how we measure consciousness to define that.

                I’m willing to agree with Scheinfeld on some points. I think they’re intellectually stimulating in their extremity, as long as we don’t take them (or ourselves) too seriously.

                Also, I’m fine with his “game” rhetoric. I was a regular visitor to Los Angeles for about eight years, and I heard similar terms and language almost everyday. Generally, it was flippant. Sometimes, it wasn’t. I think working in or close to the movie industry encourages more “what if…?” discussions and related vocabulary, than in the rest of society.

                However, like you, I reject his idea that I’m all alone in this holodeck-type experience, and no one else is real. Where’s the fun in that…? (Rhetorical question.)

                Sure, at some point I may walk out of this holodeck and discover this entire lifetime was a very compressed experience filling a mere five minutes in an otherwise eternal timeline. Wouldn’t that be a surprise! LOL

                On the other hand, I do believe that some of this is an artificial construct. (Otherwise, I’d have to go back to the “faeries” explanation for things that seem to change, and then change back, seconds later. And, except that I know others have witnessed it with me, I’d write the whole thing off as the product of overwork or — as Scrooge first guessed — a fragment of underdone potato.)

                But, I believe the Mandela Effect is something different. I’m not sure why, and it makes my head spin if I try to sort this out enough to articulate it. LOL That’s still a concept in progress.

                I think Scheinfeld started with a good idea, fit it into a pretty cool context… and then… well, I’m not sure how he got to “I’m the only real person here.” It’s a very curious twist on narcissism, in a way.

                I still go back to his reference points, like “Shore Leave” and some of the Q episodes in ST:TNG, etc. Those fit this, somehow. In my logic, they can even simplify some of what’s going on, in an Occam’s Razor kind of way.

                But, yes, his conclusions and his way of dealing with this… they’re too extreme for me.

                Oh, I still like the book because it challenges me and pushes me to look at quirky ideas in new ways. He’s certainly raised some unique points.

                But, I also wonder how he started with something I could agree with, enthusiastically, and then ended up in a place that doesn’t seem a reasonable extrapolation. Maybe it was too difficult for him to see an alternative that made sense. (And maybe we’re missing too much data for it to make sense anyway.)

                Lots of questions. Not enough answers, yet. Meanwhile, isn’t this intriguing!


            3. Fiona, can you have them revert to the original spelling of the Berenstein Bear books? I think that would make a whole lot of us feel better. 🙂

  28. When I first heard of the movie “The Wolf of Wall Street” a co-worker showed me a full clip from the movie on his phone. It was the scene where the “lemons” as he refers to them, kick in. But when I watched the full movie, the scene was in a completely different place and situation.

    I distinctly recall him falling out of a black vehicle onto a crowded street when he’s having the inner monologue about skipping stages and going straight to “cerebral palsy stage.” I remember thinking that’s what’s so funny about it, that it was in a crowded city with cars going by and everything. I remember him crawling across the street with some more inner monologue going on, and I know the clip I saw wasn’t edited or my co-worker would have noticed, because it’s one of his favorite movies AND one of his favorite scenes.

    Of course when I finally got around to watching the full movie, that scene is just as most people will probably remember it. He’s in his house on the phone, falls backwards from a standing position when the “lemons” kick in, has to crawl down some brick stairs TO a white vehicle, instead of falling OUT of a black vehicle as I remember it.

    I searched online for different versions of the movie. I watched the official trailer. And the first thing I found was an interview stating that there are NO other version of it, because the director simply does not do directors cuts and does not release deleted scenes.

    Even when I was watching the film, before I’d gotten to that scene, my brother asked me if I’d seen the “cerebral palsy stage” part yet, and I told him I had not. I followed up by saying something like “Wait, is that where he’s falling out of that car onto the street? I think my old co-worker showed me that!” and he nodded and laughed and said it was one of his favorite parts of the movie too. Maybe he just didn’t feel like “correcting” me because he wanted it to feel new and fresh when I watched it? Maybe he didn’t recall clearly? Maybe he didn’t feel like arguing?

    I really don’t know, all I know is there’s no way I remembered specific things about a scene and they ended up being completely different. That’s not how my memory works; either I remember clearly and accurately, OR it’s a jumble. I didn’t remember this as a jumble at all. I remembered very specific things about it and was eagerly waiting for my version of that scene, and was pretty confused when it finally got there.

    Also, yes my first name is the same as the main character’s. Yet another thing that wouldn’t have been strange at all, if it weren’t for this.

  29. Hi Fiona,

    I stumbled across your site through Reddit’s Glitch in the Matrix subforum, and it is absolutely fascinating. One thing which I would love to know is this, which is not intended as a sceptical question, but a curious one! Is there an issue of distance involved in many of these memories? For instance, it appears that a lot of people from the US or UK have different memories of where New Zealand is. However, have you heard from anyone who lived in New Zealand (or even Australia) who has an alternate memory of New Zealand’s location? Similarly, has anyone from South Africa contacted you with a memory of Mandela dying in the 80s? Does anyone from China remember the man dying in Tiananmen Square? Does anyone whose relatives died on 9/11 remember it as 9/10?

    I think that there is definitely something very odd going on that you have identified, whether it involves slips in time, media manipulation, or disturbances in collective memory. But I do wonder whether it is more likely that you will remember things differently if you were more “distant” from them – in terms of space or emotional involvement. Just a thought, and another avenue to explore, perhaps. Keep up the good work!


  30. Google “Interview with a vampire” twilight

    It will bring up a ton of pages of people comparing the two, and they use the ‘A’.

  31. Fiona, I am curious as to what you think of people looking much younger or older than they are and if you think it has anything to do with timeline shifts? I was looking at the Mandela Effect page on Reddit when someone mentioned Lebron James’ year of birth as 1984. That is totally strange for me as I remember my male classmates talking about him often when I was in grammar school and I am quite positive I’m not confusing him with Michael Jordan or anyone else. As for me, I am 28 years old and most people who just meet me think I am a teenager. My facial features and weight haven’t changed at all since I was about 16 years old. I have also noticed this with a lot of other people. And some look much older than they really are. As for my “Mandela Effect” experiences, I have many…all of which probably can’t be mentioned in one day. A few more prominent examples are dead celebrities popping back to life and scene changes in movies, etc. For instance, when I was actually about 16 my parents and I temporarily moved in with my grandmother and my aunt (who was taking care of her as she had recently had a stroke). My aunt was a huge fan of The Thornbirds miniseries and had it on tape. She used to watch it all the time, and I would watch it with her if I had nothing else to do, though I’ve never been a big fan of romances. Anyway, I am certain that she had mentioned to me that Richard Chamberlain was actually gay in real life and had died in the 90s of HIV. My mother also seems to remember it this way. I remember a line in Gone with the Wind during the scene after Rhett and Scarlett’s daughter is born which had something to do with finding a good church for social acceptance and Vivien Leigh saying clearly “Why should I do anything for God? He’s never done anything for me.” Apparently, this line has never been in the film, nor can I find any evidence that it was part of a deleted scene though I remember it perfectly. I also remember the Abominable Snow monster having a napkin tied around his face while adding the star to the Christmas tree in Rudolph the Red nosed Reindeer. I have seen other people mention remembering this on IMDB as well though there is nothing about it in facts and trivia – in other words, it doesn’t seem to have been a cut scene. I remember learning in school that MLK was shot and killed with a handgun, at close range, by a member of his own entourage. I remember the name James Earl Ray but always seemed to associate it with a failed assassination attempt. I remember my parents talking about Kirk Douglas’ funeral, and his son, Michael’s tearful eulogy – (this also appears to be a common memory for others). You can imagine how shocked I was when he was a host at The Oscars a few years ago! I also have had many personal experiences that I won’t go over as it would take way too much time. I am anxious to know if anyone else has noticed this issue with age. I have also noticed that people’s children tend to look more like their parents than they did circa 2000. They don’t look as individualistic as they used to. I’m wondering if you or anyone else has noticed this?
    P.S. I began noticing these differences after 9/11 which I am also highly curious about.

    1. That line from gone with the wind I swear I remember my family members commenting on it. They are huge classic movie fans and hardcore christian. With Rudolph the scene i remember is exactly like that but its not a napkin but a red handkerchief. After he put the star on he climbed down then it hung around his neck like a cowboy.
      I remember Hitler having brown hair and brown eyes and thinking about the irony of blond hair blue eyes.
      It was NEVER the Berestain Bear books. I remember learning to read and my mom correcting me that ein sound like een.
      I remember Taps being the name of the show for awhile. I used to watch it religiously with my ex husband. I remember commenting about the show Taps and him looking at me strangly saying that was the teams name not the show. I argued about it because i could of sworn that the night before it was Taps. We decided to wait to see till the show came on to see who was right. He got to gloat. I just shrugged it off saying it had to just be another offshoot of the show like Ghost Hunter International.
      I thought Billy Graham died and seeing his funeral and watching a documentary on him on the history channel around 2008ish . Im not very good with dates
      chatreuse to me is a wine red but more purple. Some small personal observations in my own life that could be bad memory or not. Is me remembering someone but them not remembering me or the opposite where i have no clue who they are. One girl when i was around 7 was almost in tears because she claimed i spent almost all week of 4H camp with her. The weirdest was my sister completely freaking out because a blanket completely changed colors in the night. It went from purple to blue. She actually wanted to keep a part of the blanket because she swears something happened.

    2. Just wanted to add, something I just heard today I forgot about and haven’t seen anyone mention yet is the famous “misquote” by Darth Vader: “Luke, I am your father.” is actually “No. I am your father.”, or at least, it is now.

      1. When I saw that scene again it made me so mad… Its always been LUKE I AM YOUR FATHER. All my life I grew up saying LUKE I AM YOUR FATHER in a deep voice.. But thats not the only thing wrong with my memory, I know Betty White died died in 2013 or 14, last I checked she died of a stroke. Mandela died in prison for me but he died in the early 2000’s…. But here he comes in 2013.

  32. I’ve never seen “Sons of Anarchy” or I guess I would have known that Hal Holbrook is still alive, (or currently alive.) I saw his name mentioned on a Godlike Productions post. He was Dixie Carter’s third husband and appeared in some episodes of “Designing Women” years ago. He was 14 years her senior and is now 89. I really thought he had died before her. Dixie Carter died in 2010. I knew she was gone, but can’t believe it’s been over 4.5 years already.

    1. Hal Holbrook was most definitely dead on my timeline some years ago; possibly the very early 2000’s was when I remember him dying. I clearly recall being sad for his wife Dixie Carter because they always seemed like such a class act and two true talents who shared a really strong and loving bond; I felt terribly sad for Dixie that her true love had left this earth.

      So now SHE’S gone, and he’s still around? How does that happen????

      1. Exactly! I remember feeling for her since she had lost her soulmate. It’s funny – there are lots of celebrity couples, but some seem to make more of an impact than others. They talk about their deep love and you believe them, whereas as with some it just seems like talk. And now Hal is the one I’m feeling for. I don’t get it either.

  33. I vividly remember the movie being titled “The Candidate” as well. There should definitely be a full article on this.

  34. Also just read something today that triggered another memory. Didn’t Bumble in Rudolph have a toothache and that was the reason he was so Grumpy? That Hermey the elf who wants to be a dentist pulls the bad tooth? In the version i watched this year they pull all his teeth.

    1. I remember both versions you mention. 1- toothache, tooth pulled and he becomes their friend. 2- all teeth pulled so he becomes harmless. Yet, Hermey is so wrong for me. I knew the dentist elf by another name that eludes me.

  35. I have a couple of vivid memories from childhood which seem to have no basis in reality. I distinctly remember an actor by the name of Haufer Lee, someone in the mould of Jackie Chan or Bruce Willis, but not only does Google not find any such actor, but it suggests “Haufer” is not actually a name.

    I also remember seeing an episode of Doctor Who before it came out. When “The Angels Take Manhattan” was broadcast in 2012, I knew the ending – I’d seen it before, and actually made comments to the effect of “why are they just copying another episode?” Of course, I hadn’t seen it before, but I recalled bits of it clearly.

    1. Are you referring to the Statue of Liberty having… certain unusual properties? (I’m saying it that way to avoid spoiling the ending 🙂 )

      You may have seen the ending coming because the idea that the Statue is not what it seems was speculated on by Doctor Who fans across the internet for a long time before that episode came out, and the so episode used the already-existing idea. The logic was that since the Statue of Liberty is under constant observation by at least a few people all the time, and so its powers were never able to be seen.

  36. I have the same experiences with lots of things mentioned on this page. What brought me here originally was the spelling of The Berenstein Bears. I am going to do tons of research on The Mandela effect. I have major depression which I am normally able to cope with, with meds. Tonight, this website and others I’ve been on have me thinking I “slipped” the year I was diagnosed with my depression. I always felt something happened to trigger it. Maybe I “slipped”. Any comments, advice or observation would be great from anyone.


  37. I was wondering about which celebs may suddenly become alive again. I think that Peaches Geldof is one to watch.

  38. i swore for like 10 years that steve perry form journey was dead i found out watching american idol 2 nights ago that he’s alive and well at age 65

    1. Yes, and I recall that Journey wanted to get back together so they were searching for a Steve Perry sound-alike and they finally found someone. He had died of cancer years ago as far as I knew. What’s fascinating in this reality is the fact that his wife sadly died from cancer and he first saw her on a tv program about cancer patients. For some reason he found her situation compelling and sought her out. He gave an interview about this and I momentarily thought that he must have felt connected to her because he had also died of cancer. That was an odd moment; holding two separate realities in mind simultaneously.

  39. Not sure if anyone else has posted this particular memory as there are quite a few comments and I unfortunately don’t have time to review them all but here it is. I saw Back to the Future 2 as a kid when it originally came out in theaters. I remember a scene where the future Biff returns to 2015 from the past and fades from existence. This scene never appeared again over countless viewings on video or TV and nobody I spoke to could recall it. I never found anything on internet searches either. It wasn’t until the DVD was released and included this as a deleted scene that I knew I wasn’t just imagining the whole thing. It was after the release that information starting showing up online. Now maybe the scene was initially included in theaters (or maybe just some theaters) and later removed but I can’t find anything to suggest that it was ever included at all.

  40. The comments on the site are still not in chronological order (for me anyway). Makes it hard to reply to people.

    1. JM,

      I’m sorry the comments aren’t in chronological order in your browser. I checked — I’m on a Win7 machine running Firefox — and they look fine on my side of things. I checked with Chrome, and that was fine, too.

      As I see them, the very oldest of the comments is usually at the top of the list. Directly beneath it are replies, in date order (oldest at the top).

      Then, I see the next oldest comment (not otherwise in a thread), with replies to it.

      And so on.

      The only exception is when the comments are more than 10 levels deep (I think), because basic software can’t handle that, and I avoid adding anything that might slow the site down. (Last time I decided to “improve” the site’s functionality, it was down for about 48 hours while I sorted things out with our hosting.)

      So, I’m pretty sure a new thread is started once a comment thread is 10 levels deep. “Major Memories” and the original Mandela post are the two articles where that occurs.

      Meanwhile, I am looking at moving to more efficient hosting, but — the way my research/writing schedule is now — that won’t happen until March or so. Frankly, I want to migrate the files myself, to be sure they arrive intact. (I’m finicky like that.)

      However, if that’s the issue — comments with more than 10 levels of replies — let me know. I can test a couple of plugins and see what happens.

      Due to heavy traffic at this site, I’m using a very plain-vanilla WordPress install with the Twenty-Twelve theme, always updated. I use a few plugins, mostly basic and security-related due to routine brute force efforts.

      If the out-of-sequence issue resumed recently, let me know. I added a translation plugin this week, to accommodate more international visitors. WP says it’s the most current of the free options. If that’s the problem, I can try a different translator.

      Any insights you can provide may be helpful. However, if all the comments are out-of-sequence in your browser, there may be nothing I can do about it at the moment. If so, I apologize for the inconvenience.


  41. I just stumbled upon this Mandela Effect phenomena today and I’m really kinda freaked out. I was very young when Mandela was in prison, but I can recall the news that he had died in prison and even learning about it during social studies lessons on apartheid. I also remember chartreuse as being a purple-ish color and Berenstein Bears being spelled with an “E”(I actually ran to get one of my childrens’ Berenstein Bears books only to find that it had in fact changed).

    But before I read of any of these anomalies, on two occasions I’ve been listening to my music collection and a couple of my favorite songs have different lyrics. And not lyrics that sound similar, but entirely different lyrics altogether or missing an entire verse. Reading about this phenomena really put things into perspective and I’m combing over other items that I remember differently.

  42. I was just checking over your list and saw something that caught my attention.

    I had never heard of Mystery Science Theater with any other number than 3000. The other night at work I was telling a coworker about the show because he’s never seen it. He is young, but still… One guy interjected and started telling the history of the show and, to me, he was getting a lot of things wrong. He said when it first came out it was 2000, and that it started in the mid-80s. Of course I know it as 3000 and that it started in the 90s.

    Just now I saw that others claim it had different numbers and thought it kinda creepy! Anyway, there’s another story for you.

  43. I remember watching the national news at my friend Dottie’s house. We heard of this fireworks factory that blew up in Penn. Dottie said that was only three miles from her sister’s house, so she phones up her sister, we’re in Anchorage and she asked her sister if her house shook when the factory exploded. Dottie’s sister said that the factory in question did not blow up and that everything was fine. So the next night I’m at Dottie’s house again and we’re getting ready to go to bingo. Dottie’s sister called and asked her how she knew the fireworks factory would blow up because it did that day and the day before the news reported it to us. We both heard the news reports about 24 hours before this happened! Is there an
    explanation for this?

  44. Or may be it’s a hollow deck that is continuously filled by red kings’ dream at one end and exit of errors at the other end.Rest of the empty space being filled by media manipulation,the die hard members of,BIN and david icke etc.

  45. Chartreuse is not yellow-green. It’s an orange fiery-red. I’m a synesthete with words and music. I had huge crayon boxes because I could not spell or write if words were not in the “correct” color (I couldn’t understand why other children didn’t get confused when, for instance, teachers wrote in colored chalk on the chalk board but wrote complete sentences in 1 color!). Luckily my gifted teacher researched my instances and realized it as synesthesia. She encouraged me to color code (which is the fist time I really understood math) and it allowed me to learn different languages at a young age (words which have the same meaning in another language represent in the same color – unlike music which seems to represent based on tonal sound).
    All this to say that the word “aerospace” is a chartreuse word. In German the word “Raumfahrt” is also a chartreuse word. Both are a fiery orange-red.

    Secondly, I have never claimed to be a wonderful speller – especially since I spell by colour, not by letter, but I have definately always spelled definately that way. Def-in-ate-ly. That’s how it’s pronounced. My father blames the early 90’s phonics style of teaching which put more emphasis on getting children to read and write than getting them to write properly. That said, may of my peers do this as well so either they were also victims of early 90’s education or in English the word makes more sense that way to us all and for some reason we got through High school, College, and Grad school with out being corrected. I see that my browser underlines it as incorrect, but I don’t really believe it. It seems almost like it could be like the word “accessorise” and “accessorize” – a British spelling and an American.

    1. Chartreuse has been yellow green since 1974–my grandmother had a chartreuse Hoover vacuum, but dilemna is definitely a dilemna for me, as are those darn Bernestein bears.

  46. How is Dick Van Dyke still alive?

    He was recently on Conan, and Conan was talking about how youthful Dick seemed. Clip is on youtube.

  47. Just found this site a couple days ago, VERY interesting, and I definitely remember a King Louis portrait with the Turkey leg and jewel encrusted goblet, I also remember The Berenstein Bears, (freaks me out because everything that comes up on the web now is Berenstain).

    Anyhow I just wanted to throw something out and see what the reaction is. I specifically remember watching “Vegas Vacation” starring Chevy Chase on VHS at my Moms house when I lived there until March 1996. Years later (around 2010) I looked up the movie online and was dumbfounded that it came out in 1997. I KNOW I watched it in early 96 on rented VHS on my Moms VCR.
    Yes I’m sure it was Vegas Vacation because I was crazy about the girl that played Chevy Chase’s daughter in the pic, I remember watching the scene where she dances to “Baby I’m ready to go” several times.
    My question is does anyone else have a memory of seeing Vegas Vacation before 1997?

    1. Yes! This is one where I think being younger has its advantages. I think he became popular when I was in middle or high school and I remember hearing a lot about his movies etc. I remember “Rogan.” I googled, and there’s one link from Huffington Post that still has that spelling and THIS one, where it says “Rogen” in the title but “Rogan [sic]” in the text:

      Also note the image of the sign where his name is spelled “Rogan.”
      I agree with you, Fiona, “Rogan” makes sense phonetically.

  48. How do you two pronounce it? Rogan looked right but I have always pronounced it “Ro gun” with the u very lightly pronounced so that Rogen looks like I pronounce it.

    If you want to hide this until others have a chance to comment, that’s fine, of course.

    1. No problem, Julia, and thanks for your input! He says it “RO-gunn.” (I listened to a CSPAN video on YouTube, featuring him giving testimony in Congress, to be sure I had the pronunciation correct.)

      Phonetically, the letter G followed by an E should have a “soft” sound, like the letter J. (German, generator, generous, genuine, and so on.)

      So, the Rogen spelling should be said “RO-jenn.” Of course, the English language is full of exceptions, which is why it’s one of the most difficult languages for people to learn. So, I can’t say the Rogen spelling is 100% incorrect for the pronunciation.

      1. You’re right. I wasn’t even taking the consonant in the middle into consideration – just thinking about the vowel sounds. Do you feel really certain you had seen it as Rogan? It seems like it was but I don’t have the certainty on this one as I do on dilemna and definately. But it does seem to be written Rogan quite a bit on line. Someone on one website even wrote, “I see a lot of people spelling it Rogan and it’s bothering me.” Of course it could be a common error, but I trust others’ memories on this.

        1. Hi, Julia!

          I’m not sure I’ve seen it as Rogan. I haven’t really followed his career. So, I can’t say anything one way or the other.

          I do know that, when I saw the previous comment, I thought it seemed odd that his surname was spelled that way. And, had I ever actually looked closely at his name, before this comment thread, I would have raised an eyebrow at the spelling. (Then again, I look at the sigil name of “The Artist Formerly Known as Prince” and raise an eyebrow, as well. LOL)

          I’ll have to rely on others’ memories of Seth Rogen’s name. I was uncertain enough to search for the YouTube video to hear how he says it, but can’t say that I’m an avid follower of his work. So, I’m going to defer to others’ more weighty opinions.


          1. On IMDB under ‘personal details’ for Seth Rogen, it says that Seth Rogan is an alternate name.

  49. OMG, The Interview with the Vampire thing just freaked me the hell out! I remember it being Interview With a Vampire. It was my first vampire book and I totally fell in love with it and vampires in general. Omg, omg, omg!

  50. Somebody wrote about objects appearing and then reappearing. I replied to the message but I want to rewrite it here to see if anyone else has experienced it.

    One time my mom lost her glasses that she put on her desk. She searched the entire house, including under the couch cushions. Then she looked under the cushions again a few hours later and found them.

    Another time we couldn’t find our cat. We looked everywhere for her and called her name outside, since she was an indoor/outdoor cat. We thought an animal got to her or that she died because she was old. A few days later, I heard a meow in the hallway and there she was!

    I am seriously creeped out now btw!

  51. With ‘exit of errors’,i most definitely don’t imply ‘fine tuning’,on the contrary what i mean is ‘coarse tuning’.Or else wouldn’t have grown to be a blue chip entity that it now is,and i’m not lol ly.

  52. I remember it being “Sex in the City” but I never watched it, so I assumed I just misremembered.
    I also always seem to automatically spell definitely with an A, “definately”, the correct spelling looks wrong to me.
    I used to think chartreuse was a dark red or burgundy color.
    Here’s one I have: I remember seeing trailers for the movie “21” (about a group of college students who count cards in Vegas) years before the movie came out. I saw the ads and then I never heard any more about it for a few years. Then suddenly I’m seeing the ads again, and I’m saying to my family, “didn’t that movie come out years ago?”
    no one else remembered seeing the ads before that year.

  53. The timeline change is entirely plausible.

    Ask yourself this.

    When you dream,at what point do you realise its a dream?
    Did you completely accept the dream as reality up to that point?
    What happens when you realise its a dream?

    Any timeline/reality changes would be accepted instantly and completely.
    Until of course people start questioning and discussing the differences they notice.
    What happens when you realise its a dream?

  54. Fiona, consider this yarn,war has just ended,the huge techno establishment has leisure time and develops synthetic telepathy on behalf of……An anglo chinese author of exceptional command over english gets a whiff of intrigue and makes a parting shot at the shenanigans,a club dedicated to sf and other related subjects is chosen to conduct the now matured technology of over 60 yrs by wirelessly bombarding a select topic over the gathering in an exclusive suite, lined with exotic gadgets.Later this affair is continued over the general populace as the part of experimentation,thanks to the cell towers and patent food chains.What they didn’t reckon is that a reckless irish is among the star subjects and who advertises the weird effects thru her individually moderated forum,and some of the participants of the forum get the drift.The larger game could be a global nwo,who knows,mapping of the iris of a billion people of a remote country thru coercion so much so that the supreme court of that country has to raise stern eyebrows is a pointer to the coming times.

  55. I have a weird reverse celeb death.

    I don’t remember Patrick Swayze dying, but apparently he did in 2009.

  56. firstly I distinctly remember definitely being spelled differently. I never in my life had a problem spelling the word until a maybe a year or two ago. I remember the day it changed I kept trying the spelling definately but my phone would kept telling me it was wrong. I remember the first time because I had never had issues with the word and now no matter how many times I tried spelling it I kept getting it wrong, and auto correct couldn’t even guess what word I was attempting to type. I thought the universe must’ve changed somehow and the technology hadn’t caught up, this was before I knew about the Mandela effect too. I just thought “when did we decide to change how definitely was spelled” I ended up googling how to spell the word and still to this day feel that it’s not the correct spelling.

    Also a story of my own. I remember seeing the movie “this is the end” with my good friend. However one day she said she was doing a write up on the movie so she had to watch it, and asked me if I wanted to join. I started talking g about the plot and she told me to stop spoiling it. But we’d already seen it together. I swore. I still swear. She refused and said she’s never seen the movie in her life. I’m not really close enough to anyone else female to watch movies with them and I would never confuse her with anyone. We ended up watching it anyway, I knew everything that was going to happen to a T. I swear she was messing with me. We had seen it together before!

    Now in my mind we’ve seen it twice but her mind we’ve only watched it once. Gosh.

    Also same friend. I have a memory of seeing the Pokemon movie in cinemas when we were children. We even got free pokemon cards. She says she saw it yeah, but I wasn’t there. I swear I saw it with her in the cinemas!

  57. Kate, taking that comment at face value: technically speaking… yes, it should sound like “jet.”

    Phonics rules — and exceptions — like this make English one of the most challenging languages to learn.

  58. I’ve had rather small thing, memories of seeing and almost buying books by authors I follow before they have even been announced let along actually neared the date they were published, happen.

    in one most notable case I was waiting for the second Mage Storms book by Mercedes Lackey to come out and I checked about a couple weeks early in case they got it on the shelves early. I found a book in the new releases with her name as the author in it, but it was entitled Owlflight and I looked at it and debated buying it, but I had spent months saving enough to get the second Mage Storms book so I passed on it for now thinking I could go borrow it from the library before buying it.

    however, after waiting a couple months to give the library time to get it in I started looking for it again and couldn’t find any mention of it being published. I actually looked for it quite a bit and one bookstore worker was surprised at how well I could describe the cover on it because it was far more specific than what bookstore workers usually get when customers describe the cover of a book they’re looking for. two years after I first remember seeing it Owlflight actually got published and when I looked at the cover I was rather surprised. I looked a lot like the cover I remember seeing, with the same color scheme and same figures on it, but the style I remembered was slightly different, a little more closer to realism than the artwork on the cover I was looking at then. despite the slight differences it was still VERY close to the cover I remembered seeing to the point it was rather disconcerting.

    on top of this I couldn’t even have explained this away by having seen the title before, as it wasn’t announced as an upcoming novel until after I first remember seeing it. the fact I didn’t even remember hearing it announced before was one of the reasons I came really close to buying it even tho I knew I’d need the money soon for another hardcover book.

    this wasn’t the only instance I remember seeing books before they came out, just the most notable instance becaue of how hard I searched for it before it actually really did come out.

  59. I am so glad to find out I am not alone! To be honest, I have sometimes doubted my sanity due to the number of these incidents that I have experienced over my life.

    Ghost Hunters was TAPS, hell, I remember when the name changed and I remember commenting to my wife that the new name was better and probably more catchy.

    I remember the deaths of Richard Chamberlain and Billy Graham vividly. Yes, I also have very concrete memories of the blue draped chairs and W’s eulogy at Graham’s funeral.

    And now, just upon coming to this page I find out NEW ZEALAND MOVED?!?!?!?

    These are the ones that (evidently) many of us share. I have experienced several similar incidents in my personal life.

    The first car my wife and I owned when we got married was an aged, and quite rough blue Pontiac Catalina. I remember what a struggle it was keeping the car my wife called “The Blue Goose” running. In particular I have one very clear memory of pulling the beast up into the yard right next to our back door and being on the cordless phone while a friend who knew much more about such things, talked me through a repair. And I remember the faint musty odor that permeated the interior no matter how much air freshener I sprayed or how many little green trees I hung from the rear-view. My wife has no recollection of that car. And more disturbingly, she has pictures of me with a little silver Geo Spectrum that I know for a fact I never owned or drove. To confuse matters further, my parents remember the Geo econobox quite clearly, while someone I worked with at the time and have (relatively) recently begun working with again remembers my driving a huge blue aircraft carrier on wheels. At this point, I don’t know which (both maybe?) is correct.

    I had a dog named James when I was a child, I remember his being hit by a car and nearly dying and how he limped badly for the rest of his life and how devastated I was by his eventual death. How is it my family remembers a Persian cat named Muffy who lost a leg after being shot with birdshot by a neighbor? I don’t even begin to understand how I could have replaced one unmistakable memory with the other.

    Deja Vu is strange enough, but the overwhelming dissonance of this conflict of realities is shattering. I am just glad to finally find out I am not alone.

    Thanks for actually easing my mind a bit here good people!


  60. So, yes. I am really confused right now. I’m 25 years old from the Netherlands and I do recognize some discrepancies between my memory and reality. Somewhere in this thread somebody talked about “the campaign”. I saw that movie a little over a year ago. It was called “the candidate”. Fidel Castro died in 2011. I remember vividly, he was sick and there was controversy about attendees, even controversy about Obama apparently considering attending. There was one man in particular called Dino Bouterse (son of ex Surinam president Desi Bouterse) who attended the funeral, raising questions in parlement about whether he should be allowed access to the Dutch mainland ever again. (Surinam was a Dutch colony, so it was a huge subject here). I’ve thought New Zealand was somewhere else, and Malaysia didn’t go so far south before. But the greatest discrepancy is Tasmania. The sea between Tasmania and Australia didn’t exist before. It connected into a triangle. Tasmania was a long shaped Island a little to the west of Melbourne, which, by the way, existed in the Southernmost tip of present day Tasmania. Kaliningrad is a Russian enclave between Lithuania and Poland. Well, since about two months ago. Because before, it was the largest growing economic hub of the Baltic Islands, belonging to the state of Lithuania. I asked a friend, and he was also sure Castro died. He said he felt strange finding out that Muhammad Ali is still alive, even though he died in 2009. I remember him dying of cancer (brain tumor). But apparently it never happened.

    Sorry for the long rant. But i’m genuinely scared right now… Questioning my sanity.

    PS: A few weeks ago we were drunk with some friends and had a geography quiz. I was shocked to find out that the USA only had 52 states. Alaska was 50th, Hawaii 51st and D.C. 52nd. No recollection of Puerto Rico.

    1. Part of the reason this site exists, Confused, is so that you don’t have to question your sanity, at least not where these alternate memories are concerned. You are in very good company, and it is the nature of reality that is somewhat “insane”, NOT YOU. I remember my own anxiety the first few days after discovering the Mandela Effect, as well as some relief that I wasn’t alone. I am often amazed by the human ability to adapt to even the strangest of truths, but thank goodness for that. If alien beings exist and have visited Earth, and it is someday disclosed, I have no doubt that after a few days or weeks of shock,, most humans we be able to adapt to that facet of reality too.

  61. Both me and my mom thought Jerry Lewis died in 2013 or 2014. i commented on that i thought it was Jerry Lee Lewis but it wasnt him but Jerry Lewis.

  62. What really happened in Pont-Saint-Esprit in august 1951 may have some bearing on the truth of ME.A certain M.Delacquis imagined he knew the secrets of the universe,was it ergot fungus contamination in rye bread or deliberate poisoning with the potent derivative LSD ?.We must be wary of the world within and without,but we are on to some thing,this is for real.

  63. First, Thank you very much for your work.This is very valuable to some people and I am looking forward to read more linked memories.
    I have a theory of my own , which takes in consideration the MWI (multi world interpretation) , therefore that every timelines are simultaneous but interact with each other .So it should be called the theory of “the interactive visible multiverses “, visible because from what I understand we can see only a portion of our own universe.
    Spending the last few hours reading every comments something stroke me:
    The people recalling this memories , seem to be like minded. You can almost draw a profile of an open minded person , from an early age feeling very different from everyone else , some would say “spiritually awaken” , very smart, in tune with their emotions.I would like to believe that I belong to these people as well .
    Even if my own experience differ a bit , because the word Mandela has a very different significance for me as I had the chance to meet him and spend some time with him in his house (i have pictures to prove , not that it matters) for a few years. I have been living in South Africa for 6 years now , and my life has been one coincidence or synchronicity after the other which lead me to where I am right now .
    I believe very strongly in the “Mandela Effect” , but may I call it “Berestein Effect” ?
    It would make more sense to me , as everybody recall that memory.
    I have noticed something else , I very much doubt that in South Africa , there are recollection of the death of Mandela being prior to what it actually is because of the amount of information and the knowledge about him is massive , he was regularly interviewed (except in the last few years) or named in the mainstream media .
    But here is my theory :
    there is a small percentage of the population , who has an “hypersensitivity ” of the pineal gland , known as the 3rd eye .
    Descartes used to think it was “the principal seat of the soul”.Today we know that it produces melatonin a serotonin derived hormone, which affects the modulation of sleep patterns in both seasonal and circadian rhythms .It has been shown that during meditation people can feel a pressure point on their forehead .The pineal gland is real and is photo receptive , and act like an eye, it has been proven in the past that fluoride can calcify the gland and prevent his full “capacity”.
    Again during transcendental meditation or yoga,or NDE some people have experienced or recalled past or future event , or even shifted into another dimension (or 2 realities merging). As the stream of thought are very similar of the way particles behave(from my very little understanding in quantum physics) , which means that they can be at 2 different places at the same time , it is not far fetched to imagine that the 3rd eye works as an antenna , tuning into a frequency and integrating a thought in our own brain pattern(synapses) as everything is merely energy evolving from one state to another .
    Anyway I am digressing , I think that those very intuitive people , with a sensitive pineal gland ( sometimes wrongly diagnosed with bipolar disorder , or schizophrenia) , if we take the case of Mandela for exemple, remembered it happened , because IT DID happen for them , in their own timeline.
    Let’s say someone living in Texas will have less coverage on Mandela’s life that someone like myself living in Johannesburg where the name Mandela is everywhere everyday. It mean less knowledge on that subject for the average Joe in the US
    What if these real intuitive people , filled the gaps , with REAL MEMORIES ,from a different timeline ? They are the only one recalling it , because they are highly sensitive to their own emotions and their “gut feeling” that “something is wrong” through their photo receptive pineal gland , and are more open minded and therefore can accept easily cognitive dissonance that won’t “shatter their world”?

    I hope i managed to make sense , I have to thank you Fiona for helping me formulating my thought and giving me a “eureka” moment earlier .It is amazing the way you stick to your ground , only interested in the truth , and it takes a lot of courage to put your name out there and backing up what some might call a “spooky ” theory when it actually resonates for a lot of sane people.
    I am not a scholar and English is not my first language so I hope I have managed to share my enthusiasm and love .

    There are 2 documented cases of people “shifting” alernative reality .

    Lerina Garcia , 41 years old in 2008 . She actually went online in 2008 to specifically ask for help off the experts as she was convinced she had slipped dimensions.

    Some skeptics might argue it’s a severe case of “capgras Delusion”(the most common manifestation of which is a sudden conviction that everyone has been replaced by perfect duplicates) but I would like to believe her story.

    The second case is the “Mysterious Man” from Taured arrested at the Japanese custom in 1957.His passeport was apparently real however the country Taured does not exist. It hasn’t been proven a hoax or real yet.

    To take with a pinch of salt obviously .Cheers ! and Thank you !

    1. Thanks also for your comments :). You’ve helped me direct further research. I didn’t know the term was “interactive visible multiverses”and it would be interesting to find out what role the pineal gland plays in all of this. Your description of people who recall alternate memories fits me to a “T”. And I agree, you do have to be open-minded to accept the possibility that reality has been altered. Some, perhaps even most people can’t accept this.

    2. Although there isn’t a country called Taured, the funny thing is that ther COULD have been … One Western European province of the Roman Empire was named “Tauredunum”:
      A lot of Roman Empire provinces eventually became European countries that exist today … Tauredunum didn’t [in this timestream] …

    3. This makes sense, Ed, in terms of my experiences. I have a very active pineal gland, and 3rd Eye and Crown Chakras. In fact, I have difficulty keeping my Crown Chakra closed. I do think this is all related. You gave me some interesting things to think about.

  64. I specifically remember a time during the early 2000s when I was still in elementary school when there was a new planet discovered between Neptune and Pluto? I remember a news report on the local news and an image of space with an arrow pointed to a mass that was supposed to be a planet. I remember this because I was so excited I was telling my friends and we were trying to name it. I’m not so good with the background information about this, but I clearly remember the news report and trying to name the planet as major parts. Then I didn’t hear anything about it, and I remember I wanted to know right away, but I ended up forgetting about it. Still, the memory remains and there’s no planet between Pluto and Neptune, right?

  65. Julia, going far out on a limb is the way to propagate ME,keep up the bravado but do add ME to your name while sending mails to anomalous addresses. In awe vivek.

  66. the first time i watched the movie Raising Cain, featuring John Lithgow, i remember a scene where he says “Wait til they get a load of me” and months later when i saw it on video, the scene was gone all together. i specifically remember waiting for that scene because it was kinda creepy, but gone.

    1. I have been following this site from the beginning. When I started my quest for a reason this was happening. I have at least 9 out of every 10 major memories I read. From geography which I studied a lot as a hobby, the size and proximity of Cuba, and Australia’s northern gulf were the final straw for me. Words i.e. dilemna( among others), never thought about it twice, until spell check came along. People passing away twice or more—-almost everyone of these rings true to me. Colors—another for me. And this has been going on since the late 80’s. I thought it was just my memory for years, then I thought I was losing my mind for years. I can assure everyone, I am completely sane. I know after reading posts on here no one will judge me, as most of us are here in the same boat. I truly have had 2 NDEs in my life. 1998 and 2014. Life events flashed before me in both of them, they were so traumatic to me, I still have a hard time with them. My wife was with me both times. When I came out of the last one—I couldn’t keep it together , first time in my life my wife had seen my cry. Thought I would never see her again. No drugs or alcohol—–don’t touch the stuff. Sometimes I truly think I may have actually died. Things were different after both of them. I can tell you after these things picked even more and stayed that way. Synchronicities are off the wall anymore, just too hard to dismiss. I had been holding off joining or posting, because well , I just don’t like doing it. I post on NO other sites. I trust the posters here. And would like to commend Fiona on such a well run and informative website. And thanks for giving me a place to get this off my chest. It’s been a long time for me. Mike

    2. I believe the movie is Batman (1989), the Joker says that in one scene, Jack Nicholson. Raising Cain, was a great movie though!

    3. The movie you are thinking of is the original “Batman” movie with Michael Keaton and Jack Nicholson. The “Joker” (played by Nicholson) used that line.

  67. Has anyone read the Timebound Series? It sounds a lot like the Mandela affect, *spoiler alert!* especially after a shift happens in the book, people’s memories of things change.

  68. Does anyone else remember Mickey Rooney dying in the 90’s either during or shortly after filming the TV series The Black Stallion? Like Nelson Mandela and Billy Graham I only found out he was still apparently alive all this time by hearing about his death.

    1. Omg i just seen this about mickeg rooney dying in 2014… I clearly remember him dying in the 1990s sometime… I was still very young and liked him as an actor. I remember being very sad hearing about his death… This is insane!!! I also remember nelson mandela dying before recent but not billy graham but i think that death was before my time.. This is really incredible.

  69. Interesting stuff. How many folks remember watching the movie, “Wag The Dog” with Dustin Hoffman when certain folks PLANTED a record or essentially a memory in the Library of Congress and backdated it?

    I would like to believe that such things are NOT done. But maybe on occasion they are and this would account for the divergence in memories.

    1. Christopher,

      That was a slightly creepy, very cynical movie. I liked it.

      If new memories are planted in historical records, it would explain why we can’t find evidence of some things we clearly recall.

      And, I suppose we could argue that the universality of media acceptance — for example, that it’s now Berenstain Bears, not Berenstein — could explain the divergence. For many people, it’s probably tidier to assume that something like the current spelling (Berenstain) is what it’s always been, especially in lieu of hard evidence to the contrary. “I must have been confused” is a simpler answer than “my memories don’t match this reality.”

      That leads to the next question: Why these memories, and not others? (Or — if memory replacement is a common practice — is it easier to assimilate some media-planted memories than others?)

      Then again, maybe the choice is completely random, as social conditioning: So people doubt their own memories and are easier to manipulate. (I read far too much sci-fi as a child… LOL )

      It’s quite a tangle if we go down that road. Definitely fodder for a good thriller.

      I still lean towards the concept of parallel realities, with either cross-reality travel, or some kind of bleed-through of experience. Or, the holodeck idea, which could be distinct or another part of what’s going on.

      Interesting to think about. Nearly impossible to prove, but interesting nevertheless.


  70. Besides the BEAR issue and the STATES issue…what of SEX IN THE CITY ?? I never watched it until reruns years ago—but it was always SEX IN THE CITY !! BECAUSE I WOULD LOOK at the title ON THE ” ON-SCREEN TV GUIDE” AND say to myself…”why do these chicks have to go INTO the city for sex?” …Hmmm. wonder WHAT ELSE …is changed ??

  71. I remember Will and Jada divorcing in the early 2000’s. I recently read an article saying they’ve been married for 15 years.

  72. Hi there,

    I just noticed that the Jim Bean Bourbon is in fact called Beam, and not Bean.
    Everyone I know agree upon it being called Bean, but apparently we are all wrong.

    Can anyone recall it being known as Beam all along?

    1. Sorry, Lars, but I’ve always known it as “Jim Beam.” However, I don’t drink alcohol (genetic, chemical reaction) and don’t spend much time around liquor, so my memory of the bourbon’s name probably isn’t as relevant.

  73. Until spell check came along I never thought twice about my spelling. It’s always been dilemna, grateful, and rhythmn for me. Im sure there are others, that I haven’t found yet. Mike

    1. Thank goodness, someone else remembers “rhythm” with an “n”!!! I fought with spell check for a long time one day, trying to put the “n” on and it being wrong, I actually remember being nearly in tears about it because 1. I was an English major and words are my thing and 2. I love music.

        1. For me its always been vac … vacumm (wow, no way ) or vacuum which to me looks wrong but is how my fingers went to type it the first time and I stopped.

  74. I meant to say greatful in my previous post is how I have always spelled it. Trying to type and think on my iPhone, is not working for me! Definately is another. Mike

  75. Thought of another word. Grey or gray? They are both correct. But for whatever reason I have ALWAYS spelled it grey. I live in the US and would be curious ( maybe a poll?) as to how other posters spell the word in my country of residence. Thinking along the lines of residual memories , maybe? Because of geographic ethnicity. Does that make any sense?? Mike

    1. Mike, I’m eclectic. I use “grey” when I like whatever-it-is, and “gray” when I don’t. To me — and perhaps it’s a synesthete thing — “grey” is a nicer color than “gray.”

      1. Fiona, that makes sense to me. To me gray sounds “harsher” or ” hard “. Not as nice. Grey sounds (and feels) more “free” , less “resistant” than gray. Hard to put this stuff in words. I guess I do this with other words also. Never realized until you explained your usage of them. Mike

    2. I’ve been wanting to write about this one.
      It was always GRAY for me up until 1985 when a friend of mine introduced me to a book called Matrix II by Vladimir Valerian. It was about the alien government conspiracies. In it were many references to the GREY Aliens. That was the first time I’ve ever seen it spelled that way and just assumed, although they seemed gray in color, that it was the name of their race. For me its always been GRAY is the color and GREY is an alien race.

  76. Here’s one I haven’t seen on here. About 6 weeks ago or so (before I stumbled on this website), I was talking with my wife about when Princess Diana died. I said “All I really remember was that it happened around Christmas time while my family was on vacation at some island.” Then I looked up the date and apparently it happened at the end of August. I thought, “Hmm…that’s strange. I vividly remember finding out about it at the island and not while I was at school.” I didn’t really think much about it after that. Then just recently I found the site and that got me thinking about Diana. So today, I asked my mom when she remembers Diana dying and she said the same thing. “It happened around Christmas time. We were at Edisto Island on vacation.” Now, I’m curious if other people remember anything like this too.

    As for Berenstein, I definitely remember it with the ‘e’, so does my mom, so do a number of classmates that I’ve asked. Only one person said he remembered it with an ‘a’…

    It appears that the game is afoot.

  77. Fiona,

    Have you considered making this blog into a forum instead? That would be really great. If all this posting was organized into subjects and threads it would be easier to chime in.

    1. Mikkel,

      I have considered it, but forums require far more monitoring, and encourage far more trolls. That’s partly about the software and partly about people’s expectations at forums.

      I’m doing my best to keep this a safe space for honest discussions by people who have alternate memories. The blog structure isn’t ideal, but — until someone creates a better option — I’m staying with this format.

      When a thread gets really long — but also remains active with fresh content contributed to the individual topic — I usually turn it into a post. Also, I’m starting to use software so I can move all relevant comments to that thread, as time permits.

      At this page, people often leave lengthy comments that include lots of topics, making this a “general discussions” thread. That can be confusing, but — for now — it seems like the best choice among available options.


  78. I just realized the well known UFO researcher and expert Stanton Friedman is alive and kicking. I seem to recall he was pronounced dead at some point last year. I remember seeing an obituary with a summary of his achievments as a nuclear researcher and a UFOlogist for 44 years.

    Does anyone out there have the same memory?

  79. Thanks, Kate! I’ve added the link to the page entry. The person who contacted me, privately, was sure he’d actually heard it during the broadcast.

  80. Ok Fiona, But please,don’t murder the Time or Ceaser,and spare the baby oysters.

  81. I found your website today and I am so intrigued and dumbfounded. I am having a hard time trying to digest it all and put it into words. I will try my best here 🙂 I share what seems to be the common memory of the Bernstein Bears not Beranstein. I came across that spelling and it didn’t look right to me and frankly confused me. I have always been a voracious reader and a fanatic for proper spelling and grammar.
    I have so many questions and comments, I don’t know where to start. I guess I will start with the Bernstein Bears. Why, in an alternate reality, would the name change? Did it start with the Bernstein/Beranstein family? Did something happen in one of their realities to make the change? I hope I am making myself understood. I am trying to wrap my head around all this. I spent all afternoon reading messages on this site. The more I read, the more questions I have. The Bernstein Bears is the only memory I can say I absolutely share with the majority here. I have alot of, what I will call. vague memories, like thinking somebody died before they actually did. Or there being 52 states, not
    50. Chartreuse-I thought was always a deep red. Again, why would the memory of a color change? I don’t even know how to write this concisely, I am so baffled 🙂
    My partner and I seem to remember a lot of things different. It could be a conversation we had last week and she insists I have it all wrong. I was beginning to question my own memory. Could it be, we are constantly sliding away into separate realities? Then I read about NDE . Has she died or have I? Maybe I should do more reading before I attempt to post all this. I am going to ask her about the Bernstein Bears and see what she remembers. I am a bit leery though, of sounding like I am losing my mind.
    I consider myself intelligent and inquisitive with an open mind. Thank you very much for this wonderful, informative site.

    1. The general concensus is the between th different memories of “Berenstein” or “Berenstain.” I guess that i s also what you mean when you write Bernstein/Beranstein, or what?

      BTW what color is the dress 🙂

      1. I did mean Berenstein vs. Berenstain. I was trying to get my thoughts out too quickly.I didn’t proof read myself, having my mind blown by all this 🙂 My apologies.

        P.S. I saw a blue and black dress 🙂

  82. Fascinating. This world gets stranger by the day. My observations:

    Sex IN the City
    Interview with A Vampire
    Looney Toons
    Definitely, grateful and dilemna

    As for NZ vs Australia. I’ve flown to Sydney from Wellington a few times. First time over 35 years ago. I thought it took 2 hours but several years later I’m sure I asked my mother and she said it took nearly 3 hours. I remember looking it up and I’m sure it said 2 hours 55 minutes. The internet now tells me it takes 3 hours 40 minutes … lol.

    1. Don’t trust Internet about travel’s duration. 😉 It once showed me, that I have 20 minutes by walk to next street ( that takes 3 minutes…)
      Looney Toons /Looney Tunes. I’m sure I saw both version. I just realized it now, trying to judge what I saw first. But version from ”toons” is from my childhood! (90’s- not so far…)

  83. This website came into my mind again today.

    The very well respected author Terry Pratchett died yesterday but I could swear he died in 2013 as well. Does anyone else have this memory or is it just me?

    1. Kate,

      You’re getting dangerously close to talking down to people who’ve left sincere comments here. You may want to re-read my page about comments: what’s okay and what isn’t.

      Related to the earlier comment: I’ll have to be vague because some information reached me via email and comments that must be kept in confidence. However, I will add that there’s good, logical support for the idea that he passed in 2013… in a different timestream.

      I agree that some people could have been confused by some 2013 comments, and they might have thought Pratchett died then. However, since he continued writing and making some public appearances through last summer, serious fans of his work are not likely to mix that up.

      I hope any further discussion of the year of Pratchett’s death will include more references so we can tell if this was an ME-type event.

      Fiona Broome

    2. Hi Ed,

      Is it possible you’re thinking of the sci-fi/fantasy author Iain M. Banks? He announced he had inoperable cancer in April 2013 and died just two months later. He’s a Brit like Pratchett (well, Scottish) and the dark humor of his Culture novels are beloved in many of the same circles as Pratchett’s Discworld fantasy-satire series.

      1. Rhaomi, the only reason I’m approving this comment is because the year 2013 was mentioned in Ed’s comment.

        To me, the idea of mistaking two authors just because both are beloved British sci-fi/fantasy authors… that’s treading a little close to the “oh, you’re just confused” comments I do not approve.

        But, I’m a major fan of Terry Pratchett’s books, humor, and life. So, others may not see the distinction between the authors as I do.

        To be clear: In this timestream, Pratchett announced early onset Alzheimer’s (not cancer) in 2007 (not 2013 as Kate Gladstone said) — ref — and died in March 2015. In 2013, his health issues received considerable media attention, but I’ve found no premature obit to explain an earlier, remembered death.

        So, for now, I’m treating Ed’s comment as an alternate memory and possible in a different reality. If Pratchett died in 2013 in an alternate reality, a cross-reality resonance could explain some of the attention his condition received in 2013. It’s a concept I believe he’d approve.

        1. I am a Pratchett fan. Perhaps this can be added to that entry? I remember the 2013 death. The reason I remember it is because Robert Jordan of Wheel of Time fame died in 2007, the same year Pratchett announced his Alzheimers. Jordan had authorized someone who was working with him to finish his series in his sted…they don’t read quite the same, and I have always been disappointed that we can’t ever really read the books Jordan would have written, just what he told someone he was going to write. When Pratchett “died”, there was a statement WRITTEN BY HIM saying basically that he was taking Discworld with him when he died, and that no one else was authorized to release new novels. I was sad about it, but also had a lot of respect for the desire for artistic purity.
          In this timesteam, Pratchett apparently gave permission for his daughter Rhianna to continue writing about Discworld.

  84. Your comment hit home with me, until spell check came along, I thought I was a good speller. Never had any problems in school or college. BUT, strangely to this day, (among a few others) ALL four words in your post were how I spelled them until spell check came along, and I still get the squiggly lines underneath them quite often. Not sure what’s going on, just really strange, you should post THOSE words. Not sure if there is a pattern age wise to these learned patterns of spelling, but as I have said before, I am 48. This is getting really interesting. Mike

  85. Thanks fiona, Though many a time i have been a bit of troll,but not to derail the ME,just for the heck of it.Charteris is way too great to annoy anybody,and i feel that, for once,i have introduced a most charming entertainer to our group.

  86. It’s pretty trivial in programming. You can acess RAM only in the 1-dimensional fashion, for example, but we can introduce new dimensions by introducying a virtual “width” stuff wraps around and describe virtual worlds with how many dimensions you want. RAM will still stay 1-dimensional. When you destroy an object (when no other objects reference it, i.e. “know” about it), the memory location that stored its properties doesn’t disappear into nowhere, it’s just marked “unused” for new objects to be allocated there.

    In fact, if the world is “garbage collected”, then objects can actually disappear but we don’t see it because the garbage collector makes sure only those objects disappear which have no references to other objects (us).
    If there’s an error in the garbage collector (black holes?) then it can destroy objects others still reference, meaning we have access to a “dangling pointer” with “garbage” memory, which is a mix of outdated propreties once used by previously allocated/destroyed objects. I.e. that’d be a way to see in the past.

    We certainly live inside of a simulation. The finite resolution of the Planck scale (compression) hints heavily at that. It wouldn’t surprise me, then, to find that RAM should mirror how information is stored in our universe. Our universe (likely the contents of a higher-dimensional “black hole”), and our 3D black holes are just nested memory, but what’s happening at the top of the chain?

    A question for everyone in this timeline. ..What was the last thing you remembered before you

    1. Interesting….I am still trying to wrap my finger around this RAM thought process. In a way it is if I have already died but am experiencing what I am experiencing via need for observation. So if we are “dead” (deleted) already then eventually we will all have access to all information…?
      What I also find interesting is how we are able to grasp information without actually giving the thing we are observing our absolute attention. Take studying for instance, when one quickly reviews the main points as fast as they can (computer scanning via eye) repeatedly. After the 3rd-5th time they have all the information like a program (does this sound right?).

      1. You are correct.
        We are in the underworld.
        We just don’t realize it yet…

        What was the last thing you remembered before you died?

        I was driving in my car and fell asleep at the wheel.
        I women up at my house 22 miles away from when I fell asleep.
        There were shadow people there.
        They could shapeshift and one of them looked like me but was not me.
        And then the black triangle “ufos” that were not aliens at all but rather they were

        1. 23,

          This is an interesting theory, and I understand that your experiences include a last/trigger memory, but that isn’t the topic we’re discussing here. If enough readers want a site that’s specifically about this kind of experience, I’ll create one if none of use exist. (Comment below. If I see significant interest, I’ll take a poll to be sure.)

          Otherwise, this kind of thread takes us down a path that’s not quite relevant, and is sure to be fraught with people recounting drug-related experiences. (We already get a lot of those comments now, but I generally don’t approve them. That’s not to trivialize or dismiss their experiences, but that context is different to this site.)

          As I interpret quantum studies, it’s entirely possible that fringe realms exist within everyday realities. I’m also fairly fluent in centuries-old traditions about shadow people, shapeshifters, and so on. And, having lived near an experimental military base, and — listening to presentations at paranormal conferences where I’m a speaker, too — I know that some people see (but usually don’t hear) black, triangle-shaped vehicles used for some kind of air transport.

          Those are all known phenomena, with varying explanations usually more related to spirituality or aliens, or — in the case of Tom Horn, et al: both.

          This particular website is about alternate memories where most or all other everyday cues are an exact match for the reality we’ve always known. The exceptions are relatively few (or so it seems, at this point) and related to single memories — or one here and there — that really don’t match the current timestream.

          So, I’ll approve comments related to creating a second website for topics related to more significant shifts, but this site isn’t a good match for discussions taking us into shadow people, shapeshifting, and UFOs.


  87. Hi Everyone,

    I’ve just come across this website from another website that was discussing the issue of the Berenstein Bears, which I just can’t believe is actually even an issue as I always remember it as Berenstein, as apparently so many others do as well. I was shocked when I did a quick google search and found that name is indeed written differently from what I remember it as – what the??!! Like others, I’m also more than 100% sure that it was Berenstein;

    It’s so very clear in my mind as Berenstein, not only because it was one of my favorites growing up in the 70’s and 80’s in Hawaii and California, but distinctly because nearly 10 years ago, in the summer of 2005, I moved and had to get rid of many things, including my son’s beloved book collection, of which a few of the Berenstein Bears books were a part of.

    I remember holding one of the books in my hand, looking at the cover, flipping thru the pages, looking at the cover again, looking at the back cover, and debating on whether I should keep them or not, and having a whole long, drawn out thought process over the books;

    My son was 14, and I knew he didn’t appreciate it the same way as he did as a little boy, and so I should just let them go. I remember looking at the cover and thinking how funny it was that I never found out what the “proper” pronunciation was – was it Beren-steen or was it Burn-styn, as I had heard it pronounced both ways. I remember thinking that my friend named Sarah Goldstein had a similar last name and they always pronounced it Gold-steen, so I thought that that must be the correct way to pronounce it, and so it was good that I pronounced it the “proper” way and told it to my son the correct way as well, the same way as my mother had taught it to me as a child.

    I’m not always so great with my memory at all, but that memory is clear as day because it was such a long, drawn out thought process I had to go thru in order to come to a final decision about a longtime favorite book series. I’m sure I would not have had those thoughts about the book if the name was spelled “Berenstain” – in that case, I most likely would’ve had a whole other thought process about it.

    I ended up letting them go, but now I’m really, really, really regretting that decision as I would love to be able to see it again after all these years – but perhaps it too would have changed to suit an alternate reality, so who knows. And how very strange that there is a collective memory of it being different than what it is showing as now, and not just one or two people either, and not just one or two things that have changed, but a number of things. Like many of the other readers, I too find it all so very very unsettling.

    Same with the peanut butter issue – I definitely remember it as Jiffy, and when I see it written as “Jif” it looks very odd and wrong to me. I remember it so distinctly as Jiffy for several reasons – 1) Because as a child with a health-conscious mom who only bought natural peanut butter, I always thought I would buy it for myself when I got older, so the name stuck with me. 2) When I heard the slogan “Choosey Mom’s choose Jif”, I remember thinking how odd it was that they abbreviated the name when clearly the slogan would sound better using the actual name of ‘Jiffy’. 3) When I found out about the company “Jiffy Lube” I remember thinking that it was funny because I related the word to the peanut butter, and not necessarily to the meaning of ‘Jiffy’, (in a hurry), which would be a better way to relate the word, as I was sure that’s what the company’s intention was, to state that they do oil changes quickly. 4) When I saw it written as ‘Jif’ for the first time several years ago in the supermarket, I distinctly remember having the thought that they must’ve changed it to be more modern, and that I liked it better as ‘Jiffy’. 5) Last, but certainly not least, I remember thinking it was funny that the peanut butter companies of ‘Skippy’ and ‘Jiffy’ were either so competitive that they named them similarly, or couldn’t seem to come up with something unique and different from the other one.

    I’ve read a lot of the comments here, as I find this all so very interesting, and creepily unsettling. Like others, I would love for there to be rational, simple answers, but when you have not just one or two frames of reference for a memory, but 4, 5, or more, it makes it an undeniable reality that existed in one’s frame of reference, and not simply a “faulty” memory issue.

    After thinking about these, I’m beginning to remember other changed memories, that I wrote off as strange and unexplainable as well. One being a conversation I’d had with my grandmother that she swears we’d never had. Perhaps that could be written off as my own faulty memory, but I remember having several different points of reference to the conversation that made it so distinct in my mind.

    About the Geographical Issues:

    I clearly remember Japan running alongside the greater part of China – this being because 1) Growing up in Hawaii, we studied Geography with a unique perspective of where we were located on the map relative to the “mainland” (United States), since we were one of their states, and in relation to Eastern Asia, as most of the population in Hawaii is of people from those countries. 2) One of my best friends family was from Japan, and I remember her family always making sure to emphasize that they were Japanese, and NOT Chinese, because according to them, most people confused the two since they were geographically so close together, but for them, Japan and China were worlds apart in terms of traditions, culture, etc. 3) I remember more than a few times looking at Japan and China on the map, as I had quite a few friends who were “hapa” (mixed race) half japanese, and half white, and some who were half chinese, half white.

    I remember it so distinctly that Japan was lined up along the body of China, and not so very far from mainland China at it’s closest point, and thinking how it’s understandable that other races could easily mistake the Japanese and Chinese for each other. I also remember thinking that I was happy to know more about the world at large, where my friends families had originally come from, and where we all were in comparison to that.

    So now, after doing a google maps search, to see it so far North, running alongside North and South Korea, is just unsettling. I’m sure I would’ve had completely different experiences if that had previously been the case, such as my friends family complaining that people confuse them for Koreans, rather than the Chinese.

    Could it be that the maps back in the 70’s and 80’s were from an older, unrevised era of navigation, whereas now we have advanced technology which has therefore more accurately detected and mapped geographical measurements?

    Also, in regards to New Zealand, my mother traveled there once when I was a girl in the 80’s, and I remember asking my grandmother, a school teacher, a ton of questions about where in the world she had gone to, and I remember in that conversation her showing me on a map where New Zealand was, and I distinctly remember it being larger, higher, and closer to Australia. It seemed imprinted in my mind because it was the first time my mother ever left me alone in my life and I missed her so much and just had to know where she was and what she was experiencing.

    However, now, looking at the map again, I guess I could write it off as a faulty memory of childhood, but it wasn’t just a small memory, it was very distinct, but then again the mind can play tricks, and remember things differently as well.

    As for my thoughts on what all this could be, well, I can only refer back to my upbringing and beliefs on life, based on the Vedic (Hindu) Culture and it’s scriptures, which date back thru time immemorial, passed down verbally, and in recent past, written down to paper. There is so much information on everything to do with anything; on time – it’s creation, progress, end, and renewal, and eternal vs. temporal time – on the meaning and purpose of life – on scientific issues such as physics, mathematics, etc. and the structures and make-ups of all the levels and planes of existence, both in the material and spiritual realms – on who God is and our relation to him – on how one moves through time/space, and how to finally leave it, and not returning to just the white light, but to the spiritual realms – and so many other very interesting topics.

    Having knowledge of these topics leads me to understand a lot about life, it’s structure, purpose, etc., but I will reserve my opinion on why everyone is collectively experiencing these similar memories, and give one at a later time when I do some more reading into the Vedas and come up with something more conclusive than just randomly speculating, which at this point is all it would be anyway. However, If/when I remember anymore personal changes I will share them.

    Just to note about me: I’ve had many strange and difficult experiences in my life as well – such as a major car accident at 8 years old in which I saw myself seated with white light around me, but in actuality my body was being tossed around as the car flipped twice down a lava rock embankment. And then another fairly significant car accident at the age of 17, when I was side-swiped by a drunk driver and we spun 180 degrees for several hundred feet, nearly missing a telephone pole, but as it was happening it was all in slow motion though it all happened in a matter of seconds.

    I’ve also had what I’ve dubbed as a time-loop experience at the age of 9 while visiting India wherein I was watching the Sunrise atop Tiger Hill, and had an intuition that my future somehow lay out in the land below those clouds I was gazing out over. When I immediately wondered what that meant, I had a vision of myself as an adult who would understand what that meant and how it could be. Thereafter, as an adult, during an upsetting time in my life after having just returned from living and marrying in India, and needing clarity and peace to my pain, I suddenly had a vision of myself as that 9 year old girl having a vision of myself as that adult, and it came rushing back in that moment; the memory of that vision at 9 years old was a vision of me as an adult having a vision of me as a child, and understanding how my future was there in India, thus creating my time loop.

    I’ve also had other strange experiences, but will not go into detail as they are longer stories and I’ve already spent so much time reading and writing on this lovely Sunday morning.

    With warm regards,
    Confusedly Yours,

      1. Hi Fiona,

        Thanks for the warm welcome, and it’s certainly my pleasure to contribute here. I ended up spending hours reading many of the comments and in writing my own – it’s just so very intriguing, truly. The power of the mind; of remembrance and forgetfulness, it’s all very intricate, elaborate, and obviously confounding.

        A couple other things I remember while reading thru others comments:

        I remember the color Chartreuse being in the Crayola box, and I definitely remember it as a dark reddish, almost purplish, brown color. I always remember liking that color because of the way it sounded, so French and sophisticated. I can’t even imagine it being any other color as others have mentioned. The only rational explanation is that Crayola made a mistake in calling that color Chartreuse. Other than that I have no idea why.

        Another memory is the Tiananmen square man that I remember as having been run over. I remember think how vicious, cold, and heartless it was to do that to a lone, single person and what kind of world was it that I was living in?! I remember thinking how tragic it was and how sad for his family. I remember thinking what would his body look like after the tank passed over it, would it be completely flat and bloodied? And I remember it happening in the late 80’s as well.


  88. I remember what is known as “Rushmore” being called “The Candidate”, not having Bill Murray in it, and being released in like ’05 as an average snoozer movie, which actually appears to be close to the film Election as well. Rushmore itself was about a private all girls school and featured Bill Murray and the Candidate featured Matthew Broderick chasing around the radicalized Jason Schwarzman. I also remember the “Campaign,” being called “the Candidate” as well. However, I never watched any of these films except for large parts the Matthew Broderick/ Jason Schwarzman version.

  89. About the IWTV scene hand gesture – I don’t remember Armand passing his hand through the flame (I purchased the movie about a year ago on Amazon Instant Video) and I was a little surprised to see that if that’s what you’re referring to, though it could be that I’m simply a little more observant than I was when I first saw the film. Just wondering, have you ever checked out the moving bridge on 9/11? It was the moving Verrazzano? Bridge. I think it’s pretty glaring evidence of a glitch and when I see the video now, no wonder there are so many people who think 9/11 was some sort of mass psyop!

    1. Hi, Nikki!

      Thanks for the quick response. The alternate memories I’ve heard about IWTV are a little different, but — since the original comments were made in confidence — that’s all I can say.

      I do appreciate your insights, because every memory helps frame this more accurately.

      I will check the bridge. I generally avoid 9/11 topics since they can turn political (and extreme) in a blink.


      1. I just watched the clip and I definitely do not remember Armand passing his hand through the flame like that. What I remember is a motion as though he was trying to caress or stroke the flame of the candle – it’s something that stuck out to me and even as I recognized the scene, my fingers mimicked the gestures as I remember seeing it happen.

    1. Thanks, Marjorie, we knew that it was the same actor in this timestream. I’d be interested in whether the perceived voice changes fit our other timeslip patterns. At that link, I see a reference to November 2007 for one of them.

  90. Biological processes are among the very few events that show decrease in entropy,the development of embryo to fetus to child and adulthood till ossification of bones,is a steady decrease of entropy.The rate of increase of entropy after puberty has certainly slowed down compared to the era of mid 20th century,the 20 year lag is a phenomena that may be an indicater of multiverse intrigue.

  91. I will try to describe my thoughts to not sound paranormal, as it is possible. It’s about not so-well known music. Do you remember this thing with guy, who brought The Beatles tape from other dimension? At my opinion I can tell that it could be a fake, because the singing parts sounds without sense&melody together, but it’s not about it.
    My thing is about music, too. (I’m very musical person and that’s important thing in my life 🙂
    When I was child, I had rave-disco cassette from 1996. The first song was ”Nostra Culpa” by Imperio. I was just 7 ears old. How sounds the opening of this song, you can check on you tube or so on. There’s a latin words, sang by a ”priest”: Libera nos in caelo nostra culpa,Amen. But I remember very well, from the childhood, the beggining was different! I can be wrong with some latin words, because I’ll write how I heard it, but I had in school latin basic rules language as subject, so I can put it into not-phonetic version.Anyway, I don’t know the meaning, but well
    Priest: Em pace in dictum
    Choir, answering: Dona ??? (unrecognized word) mi esta
    Priest: Pater Nosteeee!
    And then, begins the song which sounds the same like now (?). I was thinking that I had some alternative version,any remix, but I checked EVERYTHING, and it’s only the one, first. My husband also remembers the first version…he says…but he was teenager when this song was a hit. I have no idea what I heard, it was my favourite song of childhood. Funny thing, I didn’t know a title. My father found this cassete on the ground, when we were at the funfair. Just later I talked with my husband about rave music, and I told that I had one song I loved, but I don’t know the title, cause’ I didn’t have a box with covers, I sang melody and he recognized ”Nostra Culpa”. At the cassette was just name of label (?) Diamond Records. I remember also there were songs( I also recognized them later) ”Mr’ Boombastic” of Shaggy, ”Gangsta Paradise”Coolio, ”Everything has change” by DJ Bobo- also in weird version, with totally different mix but it could be remix. (I stilol can’t find this remix…)And other things like that. And two songs I still can’t find anywhere, on any list with music from this period. I’ll try to find this cassete, it stayed in my parents house (I hope so) I think abut it just from year ago, or something.
    Another thing is really weird, and rationally – I can say that I have deja vu, but things is connected with my strange dreams…I’m still in the same city, nothing happens, just like…another life. But with city and people I DON’T KNOW. Always the same place.I started with The Beatles, but if it’s true, it prooves that in similar reality there are almost the same bands as now, but it can happen that some were never created, or some are more popular, or less popular as now.Or they can play different songs. I ”remember” a party in undeground pub or club, and a very catchy song, with electronic beat, sounds like a pirate shantie, chorus begins with somethin’ like ”opa dela da dam”. I can’t put this moment in ANY of my real memories. With who and where? And the song was ”there” a big #1, I’m sure that I heard it many times in my ”dreams”. Damn it, but I ”remember” how I danced, jumping to this song! Many times! But when?
    I would be so confused and dissapointed, if theory woth the Beatles is fake. Because…
    I found this song ”here” few days ago. So that’s why I’m reading this site, I’m searching if such things are possible. Song names ”Scupper Shantie” and is performed by Abney Park, alternative band, which never had a big mainstream hits, and I couldn’t dance to it on any party. Especially in small Eastern Europe country, where I’m living. Almost no one knows here such music. So…? WTF was that deja-vu?

  92. And one more thing, this time in topic. About things I found on this site:
    – Kate Perry. I remember it was correct, because I was this time babbysitter of 5-years old girl, she loved Katy/Kate Pery. So I had to know about her everything hehe. Later, when I saw name ”Katy”, I was thinking that I remember the wrong version. It was year 2010.
    – Nelson Mandela death. In the year he died (?), someone told be about his, and my reaction was ”HE DIED? It seemed to me, that he is dead from a long time”. I was born in 1989, but I’m sure that earlier saw somewhere article, where was a day of his death…

  93. I thought of another word that has always bothered me. Vacumn (I know its vacuum). I have always spelled it with an n on the end. After forcing a Google search with my spelling, I am not alone. One poster on a spelling website (yes they have those, who knew!), found over 3000 articles, and or documents from the 60s-70s with this spelling. The kicker is that most of them are technical, and scientific articles/books. And yes , I have ALWAYS spelled it dilemna. Mike

  94. I did not leave my real name as my first name is somewhat unique and I don’t want someone I know in real life to see me on here.

    My friend told me about the mandela effect 3 days ago, and it is all I have been able to think about. Here are my experiences.

    It’s berenstein, at least I’m sure that’s how it was pronounced. sadly I’m to young {29} to remember how it was spelled, I will admit however that the current spelling looks off.

    New zealand in my minds eye was north and east of australia, because my brothers girlfriend lived there for several years and I looked it up. (Atleast I thought It did. Maybe on a risk game board, it shows new zealand above australia to make game play more fluent. I can’t trust my memory on this 100 percent however when I saw the current map it does look off.

    To those of you talking about the color chartreuse. I will say that to me I have never known it to be a color, I just thought it was a type of wine. Although I do have something very interesting to add to this debate.

    Ever hear of the musical group “Capital Cities”? Many people know their song “safe and sound” as it has been played on the radio and commercials for a little time now. However, interestingly enough, on that same album, is a song titled “chartreuse”. (It’s a great song, but I digress).

    In the song “chartreuse” he mentions the actual colors of chartreuse in the following lines “But you can’t deny my hue, red blue chartreuse”.

    When I first heard of the chartreuse debate I thought to myself “I have a song called chartreuse on my phone, lemme take a look”. Honestly I was a little shocked that they actually listed the colors that made chartreuse In their song. Red plus blue equals purple, incase some people don’t know their color wheel all that great.

    I find that extremely interesting. Capital Cities put that in their song because the knew red and blue makes a chartreuse color. How come nobody corrected them on this? Not one agent, or friend or family member said to them ” hey chartreuse is yellow green these lyrics make no sense.”

    Very odd, let me know what you think.

  95. I have been studying this since around 2011, when I first started noticing changes. The first thing I noticed was Australia. There is no way it was that close to New Guinea. I’ve always been somewhat of a nerd. When Google Earth came out, I was very addicted to it. In 2011, Australia made look around again. Here’s what I didn’t recognize:
    New Zealand was 1 island, not 2 and was located northeast of Australia
    Tazmania was not a separate island
    Japan was 1 intact land mass, not several islands
    Alaska did not have those two indentations
    I don’t remember Sri Lanka being that large and that close to India
    I don’t remember Mongolia still being a nation, that area was part of China
    Cuba was much much smaller
    The Falkland Islands were more south and east of Argentina
    The Bahamas were not that close to Florida
    England was not that close to the mainland of Europe and there was no “chunnel”.
    Denmark was not that close to Sweden, there was much more ocean in between
    Sicily was not that large and not nearly touching Italy
    Sardinia, never heard of it. That whole land mass doesn’t belong there.
    Belarus – I’ve never heard of this county. I looked it up and apparently, it’s been a sovereign nation since 1990
    Kaliningrad – this one really blew my mind. There is no way that was a part of Russia. Yet, apparently it has been, since 1991.

    In general, there just seem to be a lot more islands than I remember.

    Here are some non-geography related observations:
    I remember Louie Anderson passing away. I remember distinctly that it was reported a suicide. I remember reading this, as it was a coincidence that another former Family Feud host had also committed suicide, Ray Combs.
    It’s not “Gortons Fisherman”. It’s “Gordons”
    It is definitely “Berenstein Bears”
    Here’s an obscure one. I was a music student in college. My favorite composer of all time was and is Ralph Vaughan Williams. If you have a chance, youtube Symphony no. 5, movement 3. The most beautiful piece of music ever, but I digress. I always remembered his death year, as it was the same year my parents were born, 1952. However, I looked him up recently and he apparently died in 1958. What makes this more interesting is, I had always believed he had written 7 symphonies. Now I come to find out, he wrote 9 and it just so happens that 8 and 9 were written between 1953 and 1958. I listened to them. They’re great, but I have never heard them before, and I love this composer!

    This one I just noticed today. Was Alec Baldwin in the movie The Hunt for Red October? I honestly don’t remember him being in it, but I can’t remember who played his character. I admit I haven’t seen the movie in years, but I really don’t remember him being in it.

    This is only some of what I’ve noticed. Pretty much everyday, I see something that doesn’t quite look right. This is the first time I’ve shared this publicly.

    1. Hi Jack,

      I share some of your geographical memories but not all of them. (But I’ve never claimed to be a geography expert.) However, Italy especially stands out. I took Latin in junior and senior year of high school and was in the Latin Club. During spring break of my senior year we traveled to Greece and Italy – most of our time was spent in Italy. I know that during class we spent some time looking at maps of Italy, albeit ancient ones. And I’ve always been a little fascinated by Sicily because I grew up with neighbors who had moved from there. I also don’t remember it almost touching and it was likely smaller since if it were further away but the same size, it would have been close to Africa and that wasn’t so. And I DO remember Sardinia and Corsica but either they were smaller islands like Capri, which we visited or part of the mainland. I know I would have noticed those huge land masses. Heck, Sardinia is listed as being a few hundred square feet less than Sicily.

      The geographic anomalies sound crazy even as I write them, but it’s hard to deny what you know you’ve experienced – somewhere…

      Japan too does seem more broken up and is also some place I visited. I know there were the little islands to the south – relatives lived in Okinawa – but Hokkaido looks kind of odd to me.

      How I wish I could have all you Mandela Experiences in one big room to talk about all this stuff. Someday it may become mainstream.

      1. This is creeping me out. I mentioned before that I lived in Japan. Yokosuka, Japan. On the southern tip of the primary landmass that was Japan. South of Hiroshima, south of Nagoya, and quite removed from Yokohama, which is now, apparently, only 10 miles down the road. I verified my memories of Japan’s geography last year on a map of the world that is prominently featured in one of the student lounges at my university. Just looked it up again, and now it is located just 100 miles south of Tokyo… which was a 3 hour bullet train ride when I lived there. Also, I am quite certain that Korea was never between China and Japan… I’m no geography expert, but I lived there! This is like someone just told me that Arizona borders Ohio!

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