Comments 3

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  1. Ok fiona, you win, so survival of consciousness is not wishful thinking.Ho about that consciousness is contained in soul and while the consciousness is migrating to an alternate timeline the soul is left behind and a new soul along with new body is created.The discarded soul with some residual charecteristics sometimes appears as ghost.The migration of conciousness will be of little meaning to,say a person 80 yrs old,unless and i stress unless the world where it is migrating to,80 yrs old is a youthful age.Remember i had commented in an earlier post that chronology is going bonkers and 50 yr olders of now are as youthful as 30 yr olders of yester yrs.Maybe this is immortality or evolution or grand design,you tell me.

    1. Vivek, your comments are as challenging as ever! I really appreciate your thoughts on these topics. They help me look at this subject in different ways, often far beyond previous limits.

    2. Well Fiona I asked my son, his answer was “do you mean most haunted ? or TAPS ? so he also knows it as TAPS, When I told him it was actually called Ghost Hunters, is answer was well they have changed the name, but then asked me if I am not getting mixed up with the other American program hosted by a guy named Zac

      1. Pol, that’s great! It’s looking like the show was originally TAPS, but we still need to determine if that was in the current timeline or another one.

        (Zak is the star of Ghost Adventures… nice guys in tight t-shirts, supposedly locked into haunted sites, overnight.)


        1. i looked up “TAPS tv show” out of curiosity, and ghost hunters wikipedia came up, and i of course clicked it. scrolling through it looking for taps, i came across the word. T.A.P.S. its another name for the group jason hawes and grant wilson founded ( The Atlantic Paranormal Society)
          theyre also known as TAPS. but i dont know if thats what theyre called in the show, because I myself havent watched it.
          as for taps being the title, i think you probably have gotten confused. im not saying youre wrong and youre experiences never happened (i do believe you), im just guessing

          for the other experiences, i can relate. especially to shirley temples death, berenstein/berenstain bears and nelson mandelas multiple deaths.

          1. Serena, Jason is a personal friend. The TAPS logo does appear in the show on vehicles, clothing, and a few other places. It always has. And, Jason is very firm that Pilgrim and Syfy never had the rights to use the name TAPS. So, in this timestream, it appears that the show was never called TAPS.

            For years, I thought it was a newspaper error in the Houston (TX) paper where I first saw the TAPS show listed. When I saw the listing, I thought it was a spin-off of the movie, Taps. I’m a big Timothy Hutton fan, so that’s why I turned it on, in case he was in the TV series, too.

            Generally, I’m not a fan of military drama, so I was kind of relieved (and surprised) it was a ghost hunting show. The first show I saw was the one set at Brennan’s in New Orleans’ French Quarter. I’d already investigated it before the show aired. I didn’t like the way the show handled the investigation, so I turned it off and didn’t watch it again for several months.

            Since then, I’ve gotten used to Jason’s bluster. I’m also aware that shows are edited to appear extra sensational and perhaps controversial. So, the Brennan’s episode isn’t an issue for me.

            However, I have no doubt that I saw TAPS as the show name in the Houston newspaper’s TV listings. It’s a very clear memory, and the only reason I watched the TV show.

            I’ve already ruled out “confusion.” I think most of us have, before posting here.

            Sincerely, Fiona

  2. I believe that at some point in our near future, time travel has been achieved, and what we are experiencing is the effect of the travelers altering moments in our past, causing our linear timeline to “fracture”. The previous memories that remain within the current time stream obviously had a big enough impact on the psyche of the people who remember them that the shift wasn’t able to displace it, that coupled with the affirmation of many others who experience a similar memory, have helped the energy of the memory to remain linked to the previous time stream, even after the physical body has diverged down the parallel path.

    1. I remember this vividly, and I remember that there was concern over who would be in charge.

      This is not a separate memory of different events. I actually remember there being a huge deal about this because he had a stranglehold over the country of Cuba. This was not an issue with me mistaking him for Saddam Hussein or Kim Jong Il. He had fallen ill and there were concerns about who would rise to power, and talk that it would be a son. Then I remember his death.

      Could be I am mis-remembering his illness and just didn’t pay too close attention, but I was POSITIVE he was dead.

    2. My husband and I were also positive that Fidel Castro was dead, and were chilled to find out he wasn’t. As we both remember it, he was ill with cancer and Raul stepped up as interim. Then there was a period of time — at least a few months, maybe up to a year — in which the international community speculated that he was dead, but his people denied it. Finally, it was officially announced that he had died, and a few of the more unsavory international leaders, including Mahmoud Ahmadinejad made statements about his passing. I recall this being a few years ago, maybe around 2011. When I saw comments on this site saying “I remember Fidel Castro dying,” I thought “Well, yeah, because he did, right?” and looked him up. I was flabbergasted to see that 2 days ago, he made a statement about the Malaysian airplane that was shot down! He’s making statements?! BUT HE’S DEAD.

      My husband and I are also both 110% sure that they are the BerenSTEIN Bears, and no one can convince us otherwise.

      1. I’ve been reading this whole site and did not share any memories that people were talking about until this one, but I clearly remember Castro dying. Exactly like you said, with Raul taking over, etc. I remember video of the funeral, which was open casket and you could see his body, news stories about how this would affect relations with Cuba, etc. Also, I seem to recall the Clinton went to the funeral, although that part seems fuzzy and doesn’t really make sense.

        1. Just curious – which Clinton? Bill as an ex-president, or Hillary as (now former) secretary of state?

      2. I remember exactly this too! I was pretty young at the time, but my Mom loves watching CNN, so I was always up to date on these things.

      3. The Berenstein bears were a daily read in my house for YEARS! I just went on and put in the name Berenstain. There are only 8 people in the United states with that name. Seems highly unlikely. I don’t think the name Berenstain existed at all before this time switch. As far as the movie Field of Dreams- I did a google search with dates from 1990-98. I have found multiple academic papers that use the movie and the phrase “If you build it, THEY will come”. In academia it seems highly unlikely that this kind of an error would pass by. The star wars Luke I am your father line happened in my reality. So did “beam me up scotty”. I had forgotten about Louie Anderson on Family Feud, but kind of recall he died. I recall Mandella dying and Fidel Castro and was shocked recently when I saw a current picture of him and a news article. I think we are either ascending into a new reality that we don’t understand, or that we have majorly screwed up things with CERN or similar projects. But it’s incredibly exciting.

    3. I just did some research on this, because I remember an interview with celebrity blogger Perez Hilton where he talks about the only “blemish” on his record was “the Fidel thing.” I just googled “Perez Hilton castro” and this [] came up. It claims Perez, who is a *celebrity blogger,* was somehow the first media outlet on earth to report Castro’s death. I’m assuming that for some reason, some other media outlets caught wind of this and decided that Perez’s sources were as good as any and went ahead and reported it.

      Unless Perez shifted from an alternate timeline on that day, I suspect this is more of a case of misinformation and shoddy reporting than a Mandela Effect.

      1. It can’t be misinformation. People are literally remembering his funeral and the casket being open. The Mandela effect is in the details. Misinformation is just words said in passing at the water cooler at work. Mandela Effect is seeing it, seeing the event in details. The kind of casket the person was buried in. Watching people morn for the mans deaths on TV as the funeral is happening in real time. Its details. You can remember where you were,what you were doing, your thoughts on the event. Its hard to recall exact dates of events. I agree thats possible. But not the mans funeral. Thats what makes the Mandela Effects so amazing to us. Its really like two different timelines. In one he dies in the other he lives. As strange as the Mandela Effect is for some people to grasp or believe, the details prove to the people that have experienced the Mandela Effect that it is real. My husband remember Raul was his brother not son. We both remember Fidel Castro died along with so many other Mandela Effect memories we share.
        Every time I run across another Mandela Effect it just makes my stomach hurt and my mind ache.

    4. I remember a false report in the mid 2000s, probably related to the Perez Hilton mess up. Fidel had fallen ill and transferred power to Raul. He was ill for several weeks, during which the media reported his death, then apologized for botching it. He survived for a few more years and then died of what was suspected to be cancer, but no official word on it. The reason i remember this so vividly is because I’m a large percentage Cuban. My maternal grandmother’s family immigrated when she was seven and i grew up steeped in Cuban culture. It was very relevant in my life! I believed until this moment that he was indeed dead.

      1. I remember this too. I remember him being bald and frail and wearing a lightblue tracksuit at one of his final public appearances. I believe they speculated cancer, ann that he died of a heart attack. Up until a couple months ago, I was sure Raul was in charge.

  3. Seems anything is possible,like an artist in a state of happy vagueness when he finds himself confronted with a virgin canvas.Anything might take shape,dragons blue moon pink elephant bank robbers,or follow the course round to new orleans and miami,or in the fulness of time wake up to the excitement of chicago,new york or san francisco.Or stay right here in lucknow with a beer,anything goes in this surreality.

    1. Great comment, Vivek! Though I want to keep this light, the fluidity of your comment may be one of the very best so far, for representing how we can live comfortably with alternate realities, and even delight in them.

  4. I would have SWORN that the US has 52 states. And I was sure Honduras were an island. This is scary.

  5. I remember Mandela dying in 1987. I remember talking about it in school when it happened. I was also taught in school that a dirty bomb wen t off in Manila in 1972. I also seen bin Laden’s death reported on right after 9/11.

    1. yup.. 52 States.. oh goodness, Honduras isn’t an island? Sorry folks but I’m new here and I’m a bit gobsmacked.

  6. I distinctly remember having a mandela effect experience happening to me some years ago, when my parents informed me that someone had died and being so confused because I thought I clearly remembered them dying years before. I just can’t remember, for the life of me, who this person was. I’ve been wracking my brain for the past ten minutes while reading through this thread but no luck.

    Also for the record, I also assumed Nelson Madela was dead, but I wasn’t alive when people say he died in prison. I’ve always just assumed he had been dead for my entire lifespan (I’m 22)

    1. Sarah,

      That’s a great comment, thank you!

      Since before stumbling onto the Mandela Effect, I’ve had a theory — not quite MIB, but close — that there’s something in some events that makes us forget (or want to forget, so we do). My initial theory was about UFOs, since I saw one as a child. I completely forgot about it for over 30 years, until I saw a photo of a similar one on TV… and it brought back the entire memory, in full color, complete with the eerie sound.

      Then, I checked some old records to see if any UFOs had been reported at the time & location of my memory. It took a lot of looking, but I found it. I have no clue what that was about, because I was far too young to know anything about UFOs, when I originally saw it.

      I don’t have any MIB component to that memory, which is why I think the incident itself contained something that made me choose to forget it. (Shades of Dr. Who and the Silence, eh…?)

      I think this is absolutely fascinating!


      1. I am 75. I was 8 years old when the UFO crashed at Roswell, and can well remember the news stories. Then they were all hushed up.

        I have revisited the incident in my computer years and say it is true!

      2. I have a very strange memory of seeing a green streak of light in the night sky. It seems like it could have been a dream… but that feels like a lie. When i remember it, i actually feel drousy and remembering becomes a labor. Actually, im not convinced that what i saw was a green streak. Maybe thats all my mind will allow me to see.

      3. This is exactly what I was talking about on page 9 Comments! I realize now my redundancy. I’m trying to read the backlog while keeping up with the current posts, so I’m getting my wires crossed a bit. Nice to know that you’be experienced it, too.

  7. I’m not sure if these will count, but I’ve just remembered two other incidents and another was pointed out to me by a friend. One is a story I read years ago that I haven’t been able to find for the life of me, was about a woman who, as a girl, was at a family gathering and circled her house, only to find that when she got to the back yard, she was in the past. Then she would circle back around and things would be normal again.

    Another instance is a commercial I saw not too many years ago (long after the story) I saw a commercial with Brittany Murphy in it, long after she had passed away in 2009. In hindsight, this could have just been a slip-up by someone in charge of what commercials are sent out, and she could have just filmed it before she died, but I went searching for it and there was no mention anywhere of her finishing any project before she died. I only saw the commercial the one time, never again.

    Now this was just yesterday. I was talking with a friend of mine about Billy Currington (we both like his music), and his song Good Direction (a great song, I recommend a listen). I has asked her if there was a video, because it’s a single and those usually have videos. She said she distinctly remembered seeing the video, but when I went to look for it there was no official video. She went searching too and a lot of other people swear up and down there was a video, but there is no trace of one anywhere.

    Again, I don’t know if these count, they’re not exactly life altering, but strange nonetheless.

    1. I was struck most by the Billy Currington comment. I’m sure I saw a video with him selling turnips out of the back of his truck. So much so that when I read that there is no video for the song, I immediately opened a new tab and began googling. No video. ..

  8. Hi again
    coming back to let you know I brought up a discussion with some friends after reading and posting on your site. This was mainly about the death of Mandela, a couple of them also remember him dying in the 80s, one of them my closest friend who I have known from childhood could even give an account of us being together when we heard the news, the account she gave is possible because when we where younger we where inseparable, and we often use personal reference to what we where doing at the time of major events, I.e. being in the Odd fellows arms pub together when Prince Charles married Diana. I now wonder if the theory that we are living in many time lines at the same time, what is the difference between them, other then some major events ? is it likely my closest friend is my closest friend in another existence ?? its like when you lets say out shopping and bump into someone you have known for years and say.. “hello Susan” and you are met with a puzzled look then they laugh of your mistake because thier name is Mandy. is she Mandy in this existence but Susan in another but yet looks exactly the same ?

    1. Pol,

      Those are great updates and wonderful questions.

      That’s also one of the points that really intrigues me about Mandela Effect memories: People don’t just shrug and say, “Interesting. I must have misheard something on the radio or TV.” Instead, they have full memories including other people, what was going on around them, and so on. It’s not a trivial memory that was mentally filed in the “everything else” bin. It’s part of the person’s life, and a vivid recollection.

      Also, the Susan/Mandy question falls right in line with my current research. It’s an intriguing possibility to consider. For years, I was mistaken for a girl named Robin. After asking questions, I finally identified her as someone in a nearby town. When I finally met her, I was baffled. We had the same color hair and eyes, but that’s where the similarities ended. To this day, I have no idea why people would see me at a store and say, “Hello, Robin,” when she was shorter, a good 20 pounds heavier, younger, and… well, very different.

      If those people had cruised into this reality from one where my name was/is been Robin, the mix-up makes far more sense.

      Thank you!


  9. Hi fiona, First of all we have to accept that mortality and decline is scary and morbid.Maybe the benevolence has an arrangement to soothe the humanity,maybe alternate worlds have slower entropy to give fuller experience to the deserving,may that is the actual meaning of ‘whom gods love, die young,to continue their life in an utopia of slow decline and low level of frustrations.Just trying to be consistent with my theory of enduring youthfullness.

    1. Vivek, what a wonderful concept! And, from the standpoint that any reality you can think of, may exist in another universe, that’s not only a possible reality, but a great reason for it to exist. I like that. Thank you!


  10. I was sure John Lennon died on the 10th, not the 8th of December. I remember that day vividly. I was shocked, I took the day off of school I was so upset, I was in grade 9.

    1. The prophesy of alex tanous was too pat to be true and so was jeane dixon’s.Being naive is not, one of the virtues that i have strived for.Planted psychics or propped up leaders or wacky concepts like ufo or dummy silos with dummy nukes or even a long drawn out farce like cold war,are the prerogatives of mighty.we owe ourselves to see thru the hoax.

      1. Vivek,

        Good points, if I understand you correctly.

        However, I’m old enough and local enough to recall Jeane Dixon’s prophecies. The only problem I have with her prediction regarding Jack Kennedy’s death was that it was one among many, many prophecies that didn’t come true… or didn’t fit her descriptions closely enough to impress me.

        Was the JFK prediction planted in her mind by those who’d cause his death? I haven’t a clue. However, Mrs. Dixon took herself very seriously and — at least to a child — she seemed as honest as it gets. My problem with her predictions was the percentages. To impress me, I want to see at least 30% dramatically accurate predictions, or closer to 65% accuracy in general (but highly unlikely) predictions.

        I’m not sure where you’re going with the UFO issue. I have no doubt that unidentified things are in the skies and closer to home… and that’s all we can say about UFOs with certainty: That they’re “unidentified,” at this time. The Exo-Vaticana guys have different opinions and some interesting evidence, but I tend to be conservative about my conclusions.

        Dummy silos? In the old days, when you could fly over missile silos in a small plane without anyone thinking twice about it… well, yes, my father-in-law did just that. So, I have some insights there.

        I’m trying to connect the dots and I’m not sure which things you’ve identified as hoaxes, and how those connect with the Mandela Effect. Help me to understand.


        1. Apparently the diatribe seems wayward and i am least interested in sensationalising the machinations of establishment.I was trying to be oppurtunistic with the lennon affair but with a just cause,many of mandela effect protagonists are either suspect or victim,and again many are free of encumberances,we have to be wary of the long as ufo are taken with the literal meaning its ok but most people allude them to et.Aliens, as well as the phenomena of obe has been very unverified despite universal interest,i have been in touch with dr.penny sartori a famous nde researcher for many yrs and she concedes that the truth of nde might be very subjective and only on death can we hope to know all the answers.Mandela effect,somehow is going fine,and there is no harm in being wary of the rogue elements,the progress so far is marvellous.As to the hoaxes,i have no propensity to be indulgent in them, infact they are merely irritants.

  11. Anyone here watch the TV show Sliders back in the 90’s? I watched it religiously when it aired. One of my favorite episodes was a two-parter where they ended up on a military base and had to help them develop sliding technology to escape their earth because it was going to be destroyed. I had seen this episode numerous times in reruns. The professor dies in this one. When it aired, I remember him already being sick from some disease after having seen a doctor on a previous slide and he didn’t tell them. Then at the end he chooses to stay behind and sacrifice himself when they slide away. Well, I watched this episode again on Netflix a few weeks ago. it happens totally different. In the version I just rewatched, he gets shot by the bad guy. I was like… huh? I thought this observation was interesting because of the subject of the tv show. This is just one of many times this has happened to me.

    1. As far as I know the professor does find out he is sick on another episode and doesn’t tell them. I thought him being sick is why he allowed himself to get shot. Wikipedia even mentions this.

    2. I remember John Rhys Davie’s character on Sliders dying because the episode’s villain had extracted something from his brain (cerebrospinal fluid, or something related to pituitary / pineal gland, it’s been a long time). I distinctly remember him coming back to the group, saying the words “mind… not working right…” and dying after a short while.

  12. Thank you and no problem, Fiona. I think I have computer issues of my own – so something probably happened on this end. Ever since finding out 5 days ago that there were other people who “remembered” Mandela dying earlier, and then discovering that other bits of alternative history I’ve experienced were experienced by other people, my world view has shifted a lot. It was pretty much all I could think about for about 48 hours. I’m equally dumbfounded and fascinated.

  13. I don’t have any theories at this point. Although I listen to Coast to Coast fairly often, I hadn’t given much thought to the multiverse theory, other than to hope it wasn’t true. One universe seems like quite enough.

    All I have are my experiences and my thoughts and feelings.

    I actually first heard the term “the Mandela effect” on Coast to Coast last Friday night (Dec. 13) when a guest host who said he was from “Darkness Radio” mentioned the phenomenon. He had talked about it on his regular show and got lots of email from others who had experienced it.

    I don’t remember any specifics of a funeral about Mandela years ago but when sometime in the last year I heard him being talked about in the present tense and about the upcoming movie and then his declining health, I thought to myself, “Didn’t he die years ago? And wasn’t it a really big deal and he became as much a symbol as a person?” I didn’t voice this to anyone and kind of put it out of my mind until days before his recent death and then funeral. When news of him came on I found myself NOT wanting to listen, not because of any bad feelings about him, but because of a sense of unease and confusion. So I was surprised but not completely taken off guard to hear of this phenomenon. And also relieved, intrigued and scared all at once.

    Some people others have mentioned I have no memory of their death – Owen Wilson, for example. I remember his suicide attempt being publicized but not an actual suicide. (Could he have committed suicide in one timeline and spared death in another? And how weird that I can now write “another timeline” with a straight face.) I never watch Starsky and Hutch but the mention of David Soul committing suicide feels familiar even though I have no specific memory. I’ve always loved Dick Van Dyke and felt concerned about him as he is aging and even worried about his death. Interestingly, he had a health scare earlier this year or maybe last that he had asked the public for help with (articles on line say dental implants were making him sick) and he walked away from a burning car this year. Also, when I heard that Ernest Borgnine and Jack Palance had died, I thought I remember them dying earlier, but no specific memories. Same with Dom Deluise. I thought he died years earlier than 2009, although with him I remember death related to obesity issues. But if that’s all I experienced, those incidents could be explained away.

    However, the big ones for me are Richard Chamberlain and Billy Graham. I have lived a couple of miles from my parents for the last 15 years. I can’t say when I saw news of Richard Chamberlain’s death but I know I was watching television at my parents’ home. They are news junkies and the tv is always on from late afternoon and all evening. I remember thinking that it was very sad that he was gone and that I had never paid that much attention to him even though he was kind of a “big deal” and a heartthrob for women, although we later found out he was gay. I thought he was handsome and seemed like a nice man. I remember seeing clips of the Thorn Birds. I also had only seen snipets of that mini- series and told myself that I would have to rent it sometime. Later (who knows how long) I saw on tv that he was alive and asked my mom, “Didn’t he die? I was sure he died” and got a “nope” from her.

    Billy Graham – I wish I had clearer memories of a funeral, but then I don’t tend to watch a lot of coverage of big events – just a bit. I am a Lutheran Christian and though I didn’t follow Graham very closely, I’ve certainly been aware of him all my life. The complete lack of scandal in his life always impressed me – he seemed (seems) like a very genuine man. Some non-religious people think he’s too religious and some Christians think he is too “ecumenical” but that’s not the same as scandal. I really felt sorry for him when his wife (Ruth?) died and remembered that specifically and wondered how long he would live. Hearing about his white casket and lots of blue sounds familiar. But what really struck me is a memory that just came back to me – one that I think I repressed. I was somewhere alone and must have heard about Billy Graham being alive and was thunderstruck. I said, possibly out-loud, “But Billy Graham DIED! I KNOW he died.” The “cognitive dissonance” scared me – how could what I knew to be true not be true? I think that’s why I must have put it out of my mind until recently.

    The guest-host that mentioned this on Friday was wondering about people with alternate memories and wondering how many had had near-death experiences. (I think he might have.) I certainly haven’t. But I do wonder if there is anything different in people with alternate memories, or if the phenomenon is just random. It’s interesting that we have so many of the same memories but not all the same. The only thing slightly unusual about me is that I have had a number of premonitions – some sudden specific thoughts about events that came true, while others were just strong feelings. Three weeks before Princess Diana died, I was dusting and came across a book about her. I felt extremely sad and kind of shuddered and said to myself “She’s not dead – she’s just getting divorced., for heaven’s sakes.” I also had one “prophetic” dream on Tuesday morning September 4, 2001, which was my dad’s birthday. It involved an office building full of people being “attacked” (I wasn’t sure how in the dream) and having a big gaping hole, then crumbling and burying a lot of people. I woke up with tears in my eyes and saying, “WHAT WAS THAT?” But even premonitions aren’t that unusual. Also, I’m kind of a sensitive person – to people and to life’s mysteries. Just wondering if there might be a common denominator.

    One last thing and this is one of the weirdest to me. I do not have a lot of geographic knowledge but I do love maps and have a globe in my computer room. I’m usually up late and was looking at Australia / Indonesia for a specific reason which I can’t remember now. And when I saw New Zealand I had the weirdest sensation that I didn’t remember seeing it there before. This was only a couple of weeks ago. Also, I would have expected Australia to be more remote, more southern on the globe. So confusing. And weird how so much of this has come to light recently for me.

    Sorry this is SO long. It might end up being two posts. But I had to express it somewhere. I mentioned the phenomenon to two old friends at a party on Saturday night and to my mom. I was listened to politely but none of the three people shared any of the memories I mentioned or seemed overly concerned. WHAT is going on and how prevalent is this???
    Fiona, thanks so much for this forum. Also, I love that you sign your posts, “cheerfully, Fiona.” When faced with the unknown, I’m much rather be cheerful about it than frightened. It’s the best way to face it, I think!

  14. Oh yeah – I was also pretty sure that Muammar Guddafi had died years early – not in 2011. That would have been a huge story too. Weird.

    1. Julia,

      I loved reading your post. I got chills because so many things you said are exactly what I felt and/or remembered. The first thing that struck me was when you heard about The Mandela Effect, you were so fascinated, you couldn’t think of anything else for 48 hours. That was exactly what happened to me. I spent every spare moment reading every comment, looking for threads on forums on the subject. It has been a couple weeks now and I’m still pretty shaken. I think about this website often and keep eagerly checking back for new comments and memories.

      You also mentioned a guest on Coast to Coast. I listen regularly, but not every day and missed that show! I will be looking for it and can’t wait to hear someone else discuss this subject. However, I also love this website and would love to hear Fiona on Coast to Coast. How can we make this happen?? I would love to hear about some really good stories that are still unpublished as of yet.

      On one other note, with your permission, Fiona, would you allow myself or someone else to create a fan page for this site on Facebook? I just think it would be nice to have a place to communicate with other users. I absolutely understand if this is a better way to keep the comments in control and under moderation. Thanks again!


      1. Chandra,

        Thanks for the kind words.

        To be honest, I have mixed feelings about appearing on Coast-to-Coast. This topic is fairly advanced, and I’d want to be very sure I have an opportunity (and help from the show’s host) to convey the concepts clearly. The last national radio interview I did… I’m not sure it even aired. (It was pre-recorded.) The host asked questions that were completely off-topic. It was clear he didn’t really understand my work. That was too bad, because his audience was probably ready to hear what I had to say, but the interview went very badly. He kept going back to questions that didn’t make sense, in the context of my research. (Frankly, I think he was a skeptic and he’d expected me to be fairly stupid.)

        Meanwhile, regarding social media, it’s clear that great minds think alike. *grin* Someone is already setting up a Facebook fan page for Mandela Effect. We’ll also have a Twitter account. If those don’t appear this weekend, they’ll be online early next week. It’s part of a broader social media program I’ve approved. (I’m undecided about a Pinterest account. Aside from the “Dazed and Confused” image, there’s not a lot of visual material… yet. However, that may be something I need to spend more time on.)

        The Facebook page is an experiment. It will be closely monitored. If the page attracts a lot of trolls and sarcastic skeptics, I’ll close it. However, I agree that it might be a great place for people to discuss this topic more easily. At this website, I see unpleasant comments in waves. (I think that reflects a reference to this site forums for skeptics.) I’ll reply to a few, correcting their misunderstandings, but delete about 80% of the obvious troll comments.

        We’ll see what happens. Look for the Facebook page — using the Mandela Effect name — in the next few days. When it’s online and the designer says its working, I’ll link to it in this website’s sidebar.

        Update: I have mixed feelings about Facebook since they let us know they’d run experiments with our respective feeds without telling us. Since then, I’ve participated in (and concluded) the experiment and it was an enlightening experience. Now that the 99 days are over, I’m phasing Facebook out of my routines, and that includes the Mandela Effect page.

        Thanks again!


        1. You’ve got to get on Caravan to Midnight. John B. Wells. Smart man, open mind, great listener, pertinent questions, huge audience.

          And I still spell definately “wrong.”

      2. Chandra,

        I’m happy that you can relate to my post! I definitely feel the need to relate to other people who have had similar experiences and have somewhere to talk about this. It’s hard to know who to talk about this with in my off-line life – a lot of people wouldn’t take it very seriously. I’m not sure I would take it seriously if I hadn’t had some of the experiences I’ve had. I still don’t know what it means. But skeptics should try to imagine what it might be like to wake up on September 11, 2014, expecting to hear the usual commemorations of 9/11/01 and hearing absolutely nothing, then asking a friend about why there was no coverage and getting a blank or worried look. Then googling 9/11 and finding nothing. Then googling “World Trade Center” and finding a website for the complex in NYC, including a menu and current hours for the restaurant “Windows on the World.”

        I’m also planning on checking this website often. These last two weeks of the year aren’t the most convenient for a paradigm shift (lol). Still lots of things to do and a home to prepare for a visit for a friend, but expect to be immersed in this topic in 2014.

        And Fiona,

        I appreciate you keeping this website as a “safe place” to share experiences. The name-calling scoffers can create their own place. The older I get, the more easily I can listening to stories of experiences that are totally different than mine and at least keep an open mind, but a lot of people haven’t learned that or feel threatened, I guess. As far as “Coast to Coast” goes, of course it’s completely your decision whether to pursue that, but I will say that since I’ve been listening for the last few years, I’ve never once heard one of the hosts patronizing any guest. Their whole philosophy seems to be to be open to all kinds of counter-culture ideas and experiences. By listening and NOT putting their guests (or callers) on the defensive, they learn a lot more and allow people to clearly express their concepts. Of course, being a guest might not do much for your anonymity. But I do think it would be quite a better experience that what you had with the pre-recorded program.

        Sincerely, Julia

        1. Julia,

          Those are wonderful insights, well phrased. You’ve conveyed exactly what it’s like to discover that a powerful memory is missing from the timeline you’re in.

          Thanks also for your kind words. I will consider Coast-to-Coast (if they ask me to be a guest, that is) in light of your experiences as a listener.

          And, like you, I expect to be delving into this topic far more in 2014.

          Thanks again!


        2. Julia, do I understand that you woke up in a reality in which the 9/11 “attacks” never occurred, then later shifted back into one in which they did occur? I was confused by your comment and actually had to go and check to make sure that I was still in a 9/11 reality! Apparently I am. For now…

  15. Possible theory: i have been doing research as a hobby for about 4 years, down this rabbit hole. I was raised in a Fundamental home ( the reason for the research on religion). I have recently come to the conclusion for myself that we are the gods. Yes, this may sound blasphemous to some. We are the co-creators who came from no time and space.Immortal Spiritual Beings, which I refer to as “gods”, for the sake of convenience, are the source and creators of illusions. Each one, individually and collectively, in their original, unfettered state of being, are an eternal, all-powerful, all-knowing entity.
    We created space by imagining a location. The intervening distance between themselves and the imagined location is what we call space. An IS-BE can perceive the space and objects created by other “gods.”.

    “Gods” are not physical universe entities. They are a source of energy and illusion. “Gods” are not located in space or time, but can create space, place particles in space, create energy, and shape particles into various forms, cause the motion of forms, and animate forms. Any form that is animated by a “god – us” is called life.

    A god “you” can decide to agree that they are located in space or time, and that they, themselves, are an object, or any other manner of illusion created by themselves or another or other “gods -us”
    “Gods” diminish their ability in order to have a game to play. “Gods-us” think that any game is better than no game. They will endure pain, suffering, stupidity, privation, and all manner of unnecessary and undesirable conditions, just to play a game. Pretending that one does not know all, see all and cause all, is a way to create the conditions necessary for playing a game: unknowns, freedoms, barriers and/or opponents and goals. Ultimately, playing a game solves the problem of boredom.

    Every single human from the untouchable in India to the snobbiest lady living in a Mansion is a “god.”
    We would rather suffer and play the game than to be bored. We forgot that we are pretending.

    If this interest you, one can read the book for free online called “Alien Interview: by Lawrence R. Spencer.

    I too thought he died.

    1. Indira,

      Your comments are certainly interesting, but the use of the word “gods” can be volatile. In your theories, I see concepts familiar to those who’ve surveyed religions. For example, Bible students are familiar with Psalms 82:6 where it says “Ye are gods.” Likewise, the question of whether we are “gods” is a doctrinal point in the LDS (Mormon) church. (Ref. that church’s late president, Lorenzo Snow.) Expanding this survey, time/space construction is part of the doctrine of Scientology, including the Factors. (This list could go on for pages. I’m familiar with these references due to my book research.)

      My point is not to open a religious discussion. In fact, it’s the opposite: I’m interested in theories, but I’d like to limit them to science. If we take this in a religious direction, that distracts us from the purpose of this website.

      So, I will not approve further comments framed in religious terms. (The obvious exceptions are general references to historical documents that reveal centuries-old concepts that — using the only context of the day — suggest long-term beliefs in “Mandela Effect” events.)

      Your concepts are interesting. However, they need to be framed in a more accessible context if you (or others) would like to continue this discussion. Also, this kind of comment is better suited to the theories and ideas section of this website. This particular thread is for major memories not yet referenced in my articles. Replies to this comment will not be approved.

      Because you’ve clearly put considerable thought into this comment, I’ve approved it. However, when someone uses a word like “Fundamental” — when most people in related religions (possibly excluding IFCA International) reference “fundamentalist” beliefs — and you still start the word with an upper-case F (while positing theories contrary to most fundamentalist doctrines), that sets off alarms among those of us familiar with troll tactics.

      I’m replying, but not to continue this discussion in this thread. Instead, I’m taking this opportunity to make my stance clear regarding comments like these.

      It’s fine to raise these points, but in a relevant thread using more accessible and inclusive language. The concepts are intriguing… in a non-religious context.

      Fiona Broome

  16. Another one that I have heard and experienced firsthand, it may be listed somewhere, but I didn’t see it: The amount of bombs- that is- atomic bombs dropped in WW2 some say one (Me), some say two, some think three cities. In my memory it was only Hiroshima.

    1. A, I know this is almost a year after you posted, but do you have any details on which three cities got bombed? I know in the Hiroshima/Nasasaki timeline, the plane Bockscar carried the bomb Fat Man, with Kokura as the primary target and Nagasaki the secondary target. Due to cloud cover over Kokura, Nagasaki was hit.

      Also, was the plane Enola Gay in your memory? And what did they call the bomb?

  17. I have also had personal memories that are dual. In particular an event in my life where I remember two things simultaneously. Both seem very real to me. I only write this because I saw the post linked to Matt’s response. In mine there was a guy that I always liked and he always tried to get together with me but he had a reputation that he used girls for sex. So each time we got together which was twice I ended it really early on. Well one night we both went to a concert at a local dive individually with one of our friends me with my girl friend and him with a guy friend and he picked up my girl friend. When she left with them they had me follow with my car to pick her up at a point between his area and the place she lived near me (he lived in a neighboring town.) When we stopped at a station to have her get into my car so I could take her to the town, he came out instead.

    He said she’d be going to his home instead. Ok. I was tired I said and that’s good now I could get home fast, anyway in that me saying I was tired he asked to go in and get me a coffee. I said no I was alright but at the same time have a memory of going into the gas place and getting a coffee with him and then having a conversation, but at the same time remember staying in the car and having a different conversation then at the end him going back to his friend’s car and leaving. Both of these seem very real to my memory. For a long time I just thought that I gone over it so many times in that I made myself believe that I did what I really wanted to do and that was to accept the offer and talk to him inside while getting my coffee but maybe not?

  18. All the questions trail off into the same nebulous voids of guesswork in which the hope of any absolute answer is more elusive than the end of a rainbow;but a concept always gives me a throb of hope and that is to develop a reflex attitude of grace and altruism.After all existentialism seeks any kind of explanation for the primal cause of existence.

    1. JM, thanks for the suggestion! If I have enough time, and the content for this continues to grow, I may consider a podcast. I’m re-recording a large number of other podcasts this year, to bring them up to date, so this is on my mind as a possibility.

  19. Hi Fiona,

    Great website — and I’m glad to see you covering this material. Over the years I had seen some of the cool threads on AboveTopSecret where people talked about time slippages and the Mandela effect in particular, and it’s a rich area to explore.

    I wanted to mention an experience I had recently when it was announced that Joan Fontaine, actress sister of Olivia de Havilland, had died. The two actresses were in lots of wonderful films, including Joan’s turn in Wuthering Heights and Olivia’s in Gone with the Wind.

    When I heard Joan had died I thought, “Too bad; both sisters are dead now.” But as part of this latest news being announced about her death, it was also mentioned that Olivia is still ALIVE and that the two sisters hadn’t spoken in many decades .

    I clearly remember one year at the Oscars when they did their yearly “in memorium” sequence featuring actors who had died over the past yaer, and I remember Olivia DeHavilland being featured. This was sometime in the early 1990’s.

    The reason WHY I remember it is that around the same time as that Oscar ceremony I read in a TV Guide or similar type of magazine that Olivia was going to be honored in that in memoriam sequence that year, and that she was survived by a famous sister, Joan Fontaine. This was the first time I had read that they were sisters.

    So my memories are very distinct in this order:

    * Watching that footage at the Oscars (sometime in the 1990’s) that Olivia had died

    * That same week seeing written news that Olivia was going to appear in the memorial sequence at the Oscars and that many people didn’t realize it, but she and Joan Fontaine were sisters, and Joan was still alive; that fact that these two actresses with different last names was sisters was news to me as I’d never heard this before;

    *Fast forward to the last few weeks when Joan’s death was announced, and news coverage also mentioned that Olivia is still alive.

    I’ve also heard from a lot of people who were surprised at Peter O’Toole’s recent death. They were sure he had died at least a decade ago even though he’s actually done a fair amount of work over the past ten years, including one indie film, Venus, that won him a lot of critical acclaim.

    Lastly, I worked for years full-time in my own psychic counselling practice, and through that work, I developed a pretty interesting “time sense” — of being able to remote view events in people’s past as well as project forward onto various timelines for them to try to help them locate or move toward more optimal and successful timelines.

    I wrote about my adventures as a real life “time traveler” in the book I published last year, The Lipstick Mystic’s Guide to Time Traveling, Healing the Time Body, and Finding the Best Possible Timeline (While Others Do the Apocalypso.) The main takeaway I can give people from my book is that in my experience from working with about 15,000 people, there DOES seem to be some choice involved with which timeline you experience; and also, that time and probability are one. You’re not so much working in time as you are maneuvering through FEELING to create the reality you want.

    To this point, I also write about how I remote viewed various things going on in the darker side of the military industrial complex, and how I rejected recruitment from a real military remote viewer. And as part of these misadventures, I learned that understanding the nature of time travel and alternate realities is of GREAT interest to various military and government groups. Figuring this stuff out seems to be a big priority for everybody!

    So when someone comes along to a site like this and tries to play “debunker,” people should know that this research is still actively being done by the military and is still being kept very carefully under wraps. So when people write publically about these topics, someone is often sent along to try to shut down the discussion or discourage people from talking about it — going well beyond normal “troll” behavior.

    So I say, let’s keep talking about it! 🙂 The mysteries of memory, time and perception should be explored by EVERYBODY — not just performed by a very few folks who aren’t particularly interested in sharing their findings with the broader public.

  20. Just a shot in the dark here, but could these massively broadcasted events such as Mandela’s death and Osama’s death; events that were so massively widespread that you had to almost put effort into avoiding be our way of reconciling and consolidating our new timelines?

  21. The ending to the movie Big – several people remember an ending which can no longer be found, the existence of which has been denied by everyone involved. There is a similar movie, 14 Going on 30, and it’s commonly claimed that we’re remembering the ending to that… but, in my case, I loved Alan Thicke as a kid (because of Growing Pains) and I don’t have any memory of him being in Big. The ending to 14 Going on 30 also goes on beyond how I remember Big ending. I’m glad to see other people are experiencing something similar, thanks!

    1. Not sure if this is helpful or if it would be more similar to the memory that you have — but Jumanji also has a similar ending to what people seem to be remembering from Big. In that movie, Alan (Robin Williams) and Sarah (Bonnie Hunt) become kids again after they beat the game.

      I don’t personally remember a different ending to “Big,” but I don’t discount that you do. There are other things mentioned on this site that I do have memories of.

    2. Please tell me you’re just mistaken and you don’t remember the movie as 14 Going on 30… It was 13, right?

    3. You mentioned that the movie Big is being remembered as something different, close to the movie 14 going on 30 (which if I remember is not 14, but 13 going on 30). While I have not seen 13 going on 30, the movie Big was one of my all time favorites growing up and still is. Anytime it comes on I watch it.

      Anyhow, I have been reading through all these comments and this one stuck out to me because of my love of this movie. You mentioned Growing Pains, another tv show I grew up watching. You said Alan Thicke was you favorite, but the only person I can say that closely resembles Tom Hanks (from the movie Big; main character; he played Josh) would be Kirk Cameron. Alan played the father on Growing Pains, while Kirk was the older brother.

      As for the movie Big, the way I remember the ending is that Susan (played by Elizabeth Perkins) drives him close to his house and stops. They say their goodbyes and he gets out of the car and slowly starts walking towards his house. As he walks towards it, he turns back into his child self, Josh, (played by David Moscow). He stops, turns around and waves to her as she waves back and then he starts running home. Then, you can hear the door open and him say mom. Next, you hear his mom screaming “Josh!” and thats really about it.

      That is the only ending I remember ever seeing, but yet people are saying something about an alternate ending, which I have no clue about. This whole “Mandela Effect” situation is just something new my husband and I found out about either yesterday, or the day before by a man on YouTube and have been fascinated by it ever since. Being huge Dr. Who fans, I am sure you can imagine how intrigued we are by it as well!

      While I decided to reply about this movie, there is so much more we have noticed that is different compared to what it is now; Berenstein Bears, Mirror Mirror on the Wall, Its a Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood, and many many more is how my husband and I remember it.

  22. I am fascinated by this blog. This has happened to me with the movie A Haunting in Connecticut. I never went to see it when it came out in the theaters. I thought it was a re-make because I clearly remembered seeing it in movie form already (not a recreation type show), and I live near the actual house so I was always interested. Finally I rented it when the dvd came out and I KNEW I had seen the exact movie on TV already, down to the exact actors. I even remember looking up the main character on IMDB because he looked familiar. I remembered the EXACT movie and I went nuts online that day trying to figure out how I had seen it a year or two before it was actually made.

    1. Lexi,

      As far as I know, the documentary (later released on DVD), A Haunting in Connecticut (2002), was the first about the house and the family’s problems in it. John Zaffis, one of the main investigators in the actual case, appeared in the 2002 movie.

      In the later theatrical release, The Haunting in Connecticut (2009) — a different film — the character based on John isn’t even close to who he is in real life. (We’ve had a good laugh about that.)

      That’s one of several huge differences between the two movies. So, no one is likely to mix the two of them up, even though the titles are nearly identical, and both are based on the same case.

      John talks about the facts in the case in a YouTube video,

      I’m pretty sure that whatever you saw prior to 2002 would have to be from a different reality, not this one. I’ve talked with John about the movies, and I’ve heard him talk to audiences about the case, several times, and he’s never mentioned coverage before the 2002 documentary. There’s certainly nothing with the same story line and the exact same actors.


    2. It was a TV show that highlighted moderately recent haunted house stories on discovery. The two story lines were different to a degree, but overall same story. The movie took much more creative license. The series was called “a haunting”.

  23. I’d like to add one more thing and I hope someone will reply if they have experienced the same.

    I remember reading that Mitch Lucker (October 20, 1984 – November 1, 2012) from the band SUICIDE SILENCE died by his own hand (suicide), and I remember thinking that it was very ironic.

    In reality he died in a motorcycle accident.

  24. I’m very interested in that missing Star Wars scene and what people remember about it. I’ve been watching those films since I was 10, and I think I remember every scene, including the new versions and Christmas special tv shows etc. Does my timeline also have that extra scene? I’d like to know.

    1. The scene in question features Luke and his friend, Biggs Darklighter, talking. It was filmed, but ended up being cut due to time constraints and continuity issues. However, I and many other Star Wars fans clearly remember seeing it in the theaters in 1977, the year of the movie’s original release. We were very surprised to learn, years later, that it had never made it into the final film! The common explanation is that we got the movies confused with the comics and the children’s story book that came out later; however, it is difficult to see how a book–especially the very badly drawn Marvel comics of the time–could be confused with a movie. Some Star Wars fans have seen the movies hundreds of times and know every line of dialog. It would be pretty hard for them to be mistaken about a scene in a movie that they are so obsessed about. Is it possible for so many people to be mistaken about this, or did a slightly different movie get made in a different reality?

      1. By the way, you can find these scenes on YouTube by doing a search for “missing Star Wars scene” or “A New Hope lost scene.”

        1. There have been claims this scene existed on certain prints during the first circulation of the film. Sometimes, certain copies of movies that were used to screen for audiences contain deleted scenes. And in the 70’s there were not 6000 prints of a movie released like before digital took over. It’s possible work prints were sent to so,e theaters to save on money because Fox was notoriously cheap. Ive heard this theory for years, so it’s not an original thought.
          I saw Batman in theaters and don’t at all remember a horse riding scene that apparently existed in first release. That always surprises me to hear.

      2. Interestingly enough, I remember a completely different missing scene from the Star Wars trilogy, which I was hoping would be touched upon here. The scene I remember takes place in Return of the Jedi. I remember seeing a trailer for the movie when I was younger and there was a quick shot of the Millennium Falcon crashing into the forests of Endor and bursting into flames. I remember it SO vividly. When I saw the movie, I was surprised to see that the Falcon made it through unscathed. I’m quite the Star Wars nerd so I know it does not exist as a deleted scene, however, the original plan was to have the Falcon be destroyed (hence Han’s line “Like I’m never gonna see her again.”) during the Battle of Endor. I’ve still never been able to reconcile that memory with the ROTJ that everyone knows.

      3. I remember this scene very vividly from seeing it at the theater. When Star Wars first came out on VHS, I remember being confused that the scene wasn’t there and wondered why they had removed it. For a few years I told myself it was because of the pictures of the scene in the Star Wars Storybook and in the Marvel comic, but when I finally watched the scene it matched exactly shot per shot how I remembered it.

  25. I was on the GodlikeProductions forum many years ago and stumbled across a thread where a large number of people had memories of Ronald Reagan being assassinated, instead of surviving the attack as he did in this timeline.

  26. Until I read this site I had no idea that apparently no one was run over by a tank at Tiananmen Square and that Billy Graham is still alive! I also have had a few more personal experiences in my life I’ve never been able to explain.

    1. I clearly remember watching the boy being ran over by the tank. I was sitting on my mother’s bed, watching the news with her, and she actually cried out when we saw it.

    2. “The World of Sid and Marty Krofft” was an amusement park open for only six months in Atlanta. In 1976. Yet I have incredibly clear memories of going to the amusement park in the summer of 1984 with my mom, grandmother, and older cousin. I remember riding the escalator, and this tree freaking me out. I was wearing a yellow sundress and white sandals. I had a sunburn, because we’d been to the pool the day before. We’d eaten at the Varsity and I’d spilled PC (chocolate milk) on the skirt of my dress.

    Until a few years ago I had no idea there was no way (in this timeline) this could have happened-as I wasn’t born until a few years AFTER the park closed!) when I happened upon mention of the park in a book. I absolutely have no doubt in my mind, however, that I was there.

    3. Also in the summer of 1984 I fell off of a four wheeler and badly burned the back of both of my legs. It left me with rather bad scars on the back of both calves. Or so I thought, until one day in the mid-nineties when I mentioned something about it to my then-boyfriend who was confused, because I had no scars. For about ten years the scars disappeared and reappeared. I haven’t seen them since about 2006. (My parents and I always remember the accident, but apparently the severity switches?)

    4. I had a huge crush on Kevin Bacon as a young girl. So I was super excited in the fall of 1991 when I saw ads for “He Said, She Said.” My parents had JUST let me start going to the movies with friends, so my best friend and I went to see it Thanksgiving weekend. (My mom dropped us off at the mall, we did some shopping…) So you can imagine my surprise when ads for the movie cropped back up after Christmas. I said something to my friend, and she looked at me like I was crazy. She had no memory of ever seeing the movie. described the movie to her, and we saw it again. It was exactly how I remember it. According to IMDB, it came out in February 1991, months after I remember seeing it for the first time.

    5. I also remember Billy Graham’s funeral in 2009, W’s halting yet actually charming speech, and the picture of all living presidents sitting in the blue draped chairs. I even remember Michelle Obama’s deep plum dress!

    1. Hi ampster – I’m not sure when or if you’ll come back and see this, but the color blue is actually what I remember most about Billy Graham’s funeral on tv. I’m very attuned to color and even buy books on color theory, psychology, etc. I remember blue draped chairs and other things – of all the shades of blue, I mostly remember a beautiful light but saturated sky blue and a contrast darker blue, possibly royal blue – very striking. I think I remember a white coffin and possibly a eagle or star motif somewhere, but I may be imagining those. But I very clearly remember blue, blue and more blue. Just wondered if this matched your memory. Michelle Obamas plum dress sounds right do – I did a google image search of that and she certainly has worn that shade often.

        1. Rappoport’s article shows coincidence but not causation. Interesting information, but I’d need more substantial evidence to believe that blue is the best color choice for calming, and that newscasts use it for anything other than a pleasant effect.

          As it happens, my mother’s university thesis was on the psychology of color. Her research showed that green was the most healing, restful color. Hence, it’s used in many hospitals.

          I can see green being avoided in newscasts due to “green screen” use in many broadcast studios.

          But, to take this concept a step further to day that it causes suspension of rational thought and lulls people into accepting things they otherwise might reject or object to… I don’t find that entirely credible. Without independent and conclusive support of that idea, this seems too far into conspiracy theories.

          Fiona Broome

  27. Anyone remember the Sun used to be more yellow in the 80s? Ever since about 95 it has gotten whiter and whiter. This is a huge phenomenon that many talk about.

    1. That depends on the atmosphere, the chemicals in the air, the pollution, etc.

      To have a clear idea of whether it’s truly changing color we’d have to be in space.

      1. Thanks, Gurluas! I’d wanted to reply at length to the comment about the color of the sun, but I’m in the middle of a big project this week. Your reply said what I wanted to, better and more concisely than I could have.

  28. Terrence Aym started this yarn in his BIN article about the timeshift acting retroactively after 9/11 and making a span of 5 years either way,that is from 1995 to 2005.What he tentatively wrote has taken a cult status obscuring otherwise eternal phenomena.If the alternate reality is a true phenomena it has always been so,and because in this IT age we are communicating profusely, it is becoming apparent.

  29. The other shift that people have noticed is that primary colors have gone from Red Yellow Blue to Red Green Blue. They remember Red Yellow Blue from Art Class. This one is explainable and isn’t too mysterious, computers use RGB and painters use RYB.

    However the RGB primary colors didn’t really enter the public consciousness until about the mid 90s as most people were not familiar with computers yet. What is interesting is that this is about the same time period that people noticed the Sun getting whiter, and commenting that the colors in nature seemed more saturated in the 70s and 80s. I do think that this time period is some kind of shift point in time. This early 90s period is also when a lot of people remember the alternate New Zealand location i.e East or North East of Australia from the classroom.

    Terrance Mckenna mentioned that he felt that the formal run of history ended sometime in the early-mid 90s, and then moved into the post modern malaise. (paraphrasing)

    He talked about going into Art galleries and seeing an eclectic mish-mash of decades, and post modern artist not having their own original point of view.

    This is also the time that the Recycling campaigns got introduced to us in Elementary schools.

    Now the regurgitation can no longer be hidden by the ad agencies, it’s apparent for all to see, Soylent Green isn’t people, it’s history and old ideas being served up and eaten.

    Cars from 2013 look like cars from 2003 The fashion industry recycles the 20s-90s in shorter and shorter cycles. Almost all films nowadays are re-makes, or reboots. Hipsters wear flannel shirts, buy vinyl, dress in eclectic clothing from past decades, they are basically recycling old ideas in shorter and shorter cycles.

    What we call art nowadays is nothing more than eclectic nostalgia boiled down into a product. History is being packaged and sold to us in streets of gentrified ‘urban regeneration’. Starbucks is like the borg implant that assimilates the body of the cities and paves the way for other cold glass shrines to the cult of consumerism.

    That is what we are left with now, old ideas packaged as new products, not hoverboards or Jetpacks, just cycles of waiting for the next iphone. The iphone is like a nostalgia singularity, from sharing childhood memes to your 80s playlists.

    The illusion of a linear march into the future is a sleight of hand by the advertisers, trying to convince you that there is something new under the sun.

    However what is this technology actually doing for us, it’s the carrier or medium for memes to be shared, it is the surrogate for the meme to be born. The meme is yourself made manifest, the human apotheosis. Not a technological singularity, but a human one.

    Whatever the Apotheosis is I don’t see it as something baroque or byzantine. It’s not being an angel sitting on a cloud, flying a starship to Alpha Centauri, or walking around in white robes and sandals on the fifth dimension. No those things are just limited symbols of the true Apotheosis which is living your bliss.

    A personal-sync filled solipsistic journey towards living your bliss. This man to god transition is essentially about turning inside out, bringing the interior landscape and making it manifest into the external world. That has been the collective human experience, bringing out the inventions from the human imagination and laying them onto the ‘exterior’ world of rocks water and trees, all of which happen to be fractal in structure which lend themselves to the workings of a holographic model.

    It is a personal timewave though, the tone of the past 15 years has been that of an eclectic personal journey, and a move away from the collective imagination. We no longer all watch the same music on MTV at the same time, instead we have personal playlists. So this turning inside out process has moved away from the collective and towards the personal.

    1. Megan, you and JM make some good points, but I’m hoping this thread doesn’t take us in the direction of discussing modern culture as opposed to Mandela Effect incidents and explanations. In some cases, it’s a fine line, but I hope you understand my concerns.

  30. I’m not sure if this can be included in this discussion, but I’m curious if anyone shares my experience. Hurricane Katrina was in August 2005, which was the start of my third grade year. However, I have very clear memories of watching the effects on the TV in my second grade classroom. I believe I remember Hurricane Katrina to be in about April 2005. Does anyone else have this same memory?

    1. as far as Hurricane Katrina, I actually remember it happening when i was in about 5th grade, but that would mean it was 2008. I was only in 3rd grade in 2005.

      1. Is it possible you are remembering Hurricane Gustav from when you were in 5th grade? That occurred in 2008, very close to the same date as Katrina in 2005, and it affected Louisiana/the Gulf Coast very badly. There wasn’t Katrina-like devastation in New Orleans, but there was a ton of damage in other places, and of course in the news media, “Louisiana” means “New Orleans”.

    2. I know hurricane Katrina was in April 2005. I was in 10th grade and had just met my new friend Joel who had moved here from Louisiana because of the hurricane. He was introduced in my geometry class. I got married October of 2005 while I was in 11th grade. This all seemed like I could pass off Berenstein Bears, and Sex in the CIty, and maybe even my beloved author Terry Prattchet’s death in 2013 as faulty memory but this one will stick with me. I barely even went to class my 11th grade year and left that school to home school myself. There is no possible way that Katrina could have happened in August 2005

    3. Yes I have a vivid memory of Katrina occurring in April of 2005. I was pregnant and remembering watching the coverage on the TV at the university I was attending. I was talking to my mom on the phone about how my sister’s name (katrina) would be forever associated with a hurricane. My son was born on May 1st 2005. There is no way I can be mistaken about the timeline unless I am totally crazy. I guess that could be a possibility lol…

  31. I have to say, this is a fascinating website; gives me a lot to think about.

    The memories I am sharing pertain to Disney’s animated television, Darkwing Duck, which ran from 1991-1992. My favorite character was Steelbeak, the villainous rooster with a steel beak. I was stunned to find out many years that he was only in ten episodes; when, as a child, I had remembered he was in more episodes than that. One memory that stands out in particular was was a scene of him eating chicken, and another of eggmen dressed as cavemen.

  32. I have a pretty vivid memory of a show just like New Girl coming out a couple years before the show we know now did. I can’t remember if the actors were the same, but I remember the apartment looking different. I think I watched a couple episodes of it on a plane or something.

    It was so weird when I started watching New Girl. I thought, “they completely ripped this off from another show!” I always just thought my mind was playing tricks on me. Maybe it is.

  33. A follow up to my long post:

    Mood Music

    The only song that will be remembered as a pop-reference from the 00s will be 50 Cent – In Da Club.

    There was plenty of good indie music but that doesn’t become part of the mass consciousness.

    By a pop reference song I mean a song that can represent an event or an emotion. Like when someone starts dancing you play ‘Dancing Queen’ by ABBA or when at a bachelorette party you play “It’s raining men”, Or when referencing outer space you would play Space Oddity etc. The Gamut of popular emotions has been filled by songs from the 20th century.

    There are none of these ‘represent the moment’ songs from the 00s, at least none that weren’t already covered by something else. All the pop stuff from he 00s is too similar and streamlined.

    Can you think of any song from the 00s that will be played in the future as a camp/kitsch/retro referential representation of a moment, event or emotion? I think that spectrum is already covered by 20th century songs.

    Will anyone ever have an 00s themed party in the future? What would you even do at the party? Dress up as an iPod?

      1. Totally agree. Takes me to a certain time. Last Night by the strokes takes me to very particular times. I’d say “I kissed a girl” by forum favorite Katy Perry would stick out for many.

        1. Speaking of I Kissed a Girl…

          I have very, very clear and vivid memories of this song from my junior year in high school. I remember being incredibly frustrated and irritated hearing the ‘preppy’ girls take about it and sing lines of it between classes while I was in the midst of hiding a relationship with my girlfriend for fear of becoming more of an outcast. I can remember being in the hallway between classes, wearing a black hoodie (I never wore hoodies past high school) after getting out of my Junior year English class and meeting up with my girlfriend and commenting on how bothersome it was to her and her agreeing.

          I was a junior in high school from 2004-2005. I Kissed A Girl came out April 28, 2008 according to wikipedia.

          1. This post has reminded me of another weird thing. “Cupid Shuffle” came out in 2007, according to Wikipedia. But I distinctly remember my kids coming home doing this song and dance that they learned at daycare. That would have been around 2004 or 2005; by 2007 they were already in school. By the time this song was popular on the radio, I’d known it for a couple of years.

            1. Update–I spoke to my kids about this, and they said, “Yeah, we learned it from that guy’s cousin or niece or something!” Turns out one of the girls at daycare that taught them the song claimed that her cousin or uncle (they don’t remember which) was a rapper, and that was one of his songs. I looked him up on Wikipedia, and he is actually from an area close by where we lived at that time, so I suppose it is possible that they learned the song from a family member who’d heard it before it was released. In which case, no alternate reality, just coincidence.

              1. Adana, that’s a great way to clarify a memory! Thanks for researching it, so we know that — in your case — it was just a coincidence.

  34. I just had an interesting and perhaps a bit chilly thought.
    What if we’re living in alternate realities altogether?

    And the internet actually gets it’s data from realities parallel to ours?
    It doesn’t explain most Mandela effects but it would nevertheless be interesting to consider.

    What if say…Fiona lives in a different reality and our connection is this website and without knowing it we’re living in different worlds and our messages are crossing realities.

    1. Apparently Steve Jobbs still emails from his grave and no one knows who is control if this account. It hasnt been disabled or logged onto but many ppl still get emails from him. Could be spoofed, but still its fun to entertain the idea!

      1. Hi Nick,
        I always remembered his name as Steve Jobs. Was that a typo or is that how you remember it?

    2. This is my feeling exactly, that the internet is some sort of cross-communication between different realities.

    3. This, and all of your comments Gurluas, are so fascinating. I never ever would have imagined that. But it seems like it could be true. I don’t know if you are active on this site any longer, but wow, are you interesting!!!

  35. Well, Sid Caesar died today at the age of 91 on February 12, 2014. My mother said “I was sure he died years ago” although she didn’t mention any specific memories. (The most she would probably have is a newscast or stories in magazines in his death.) Her memory sounds “right” to me but I can’t really claim it for myself. I wonder how many others will be S.C. died years ago.

  36. Arrgh – I’m always leaving out words – I think they slide into another dimension as soon as I type them. I wonder how many others will be SURE S.C. died years ago.

  37. Thank you for this site! I was reading something in a forum post about false memories that made me recall about Mandela. I, too, believed he was dead for years. I remember reading it in a history book when I was around 13 yrs. old, that was fourteen years ago. So color me surprised when I see him alive on TV one day celebrating his birthday!
    I hated history when I was a kid (I love it now), so to me it’s surprising that I would actually remember Nelson Mandela and his death in jail. Yep I read he died in jail. I don’t remember from what book I read it though.
    This is weird, but I’m glad I’m not the only one.

  38. I just wanted to add, that I specifically remember reading about Mandela in history class at school. Thought additional details might be important.
    This is fascinating, even though I’m not a skeptic, I still always try to find explanations first and sometimes I subscribe to the idea that my brain plays tricks on me with memories but not this one. I really believed he died earlier than last year.

  39. John Williams the composer is still alive.

    I seem to remember him dying about 10 years ago and they had to replace him for the Harry Potter movies.

  40. That ’70s Show did not begin broadcast in 1998.

    It was never on that early. I remember the first season being around 2001-2002 at the earliest.

    I watched a lot of TV in 99-2000 as I only had dial up, I would of seen the show if it was on back then.

    1. That 70’s Show first aired in August of 1998. I watched the first 2 episodes and didn’t seem to care for it. I watched it again a couple of years later and thought it was the bomb.

  41. Shirley MacLaine’s death – I remember her dying in the late 80s or early 90s, pretty sure it was from cancer. After she died I remember people joking about her being reincarnated in amusing ways because of her heavy interest in mystical experiences and New Age stuff.

  42. Does anyone have a memory of Cool Ranch Fritos being a thing? I can’t find evidence of that ever existing, but LOVED them as a child.

    1. So I just spent a good chunk of my life on this website. Although tonight is not the first time I’ve heard or read about the Mandela Effect, it’s the first time I’ve read other people’s experiences and incidents. …this got really long. I’m self conscious about it now. You don’t have to make it public.

      Chartreuse is a wine red, I’ve had that argument many times. Ghost Hunters was called TAPS in it’s early years. Mars had no moons until I was compelled to check a little while ago. It’s BerenstEin. There were three bombs dropped on Japan in World War 2. Six hours ago I would have sworn up and down that New Zealand was North West of Australia. While we’re at it, Australia was a two part continent six hours ago and the western part of it is just… gone now. North and South Korea were South of China and North of Vietnam. I remember this. I did a report on South Korea in high school.

      Some things I read people just say and not talk more about: Elvis both died in the 70s and lived in the 80s for me somehow (I always chalked this up to me just not being born yet so all that pop culture is “in the void” in a youthful uneducated way) but I remember a movie with him and John Travolta I vaguely remember at my grandmother’s house. They sang at least one song together. And no, not the Look Who’s Talking movies.

      But the Mussolini thing. I just randomly google imaged him and… the guy google is telling me he is, is not the Mussolini I had in my head? It’s possible I might have him mixed up with another figure of the time. Smaller? With a rounder face and an almost handlebar mustache? But I got chills as soon as the page loaded.

      I’ve been getting chills all night.

      I’ve had MULTIPLE instances where I’ve sat down to watch a movie with my parents only for them to come back months later and ask if I have seen it and they’d say they have no recollection of it.

      I posted this on the private post, but I’ll put it here, too. I could have sworn John Goodman had died. Sitting down with my father during a winter break, watching the news reports on an Entertainment Tonight kind of show. All his movies playing the next few weekends. All very vivid. And then, the next semester we are watching The Big Lebowski in class, and I say how it was so sad that he had died to my friend. He had no idea what I was talking about. Neither does my father.

      I could have sworn they found Amelia Earnhardt’s plane and body in the mid 90s. Apparently Timothy McVeigh used a Ryder moving truck in his plan in the Oklahoma City Bombing, when I remember it was a U-Haul (my brother was antsy around those trucks for a few months after the bombing.)

      But reading people talk about their NDE’s and such, I never thought I had a NDE, but…

      To get a bit personal, I’ve had some mental health issues the last few years. My mother is convinced that part of it can be attributed to a wreck that I was in when I was 19. I hit my head very hard. I was swollen for days. At the time I was a color guard instructor and was a part of a color guard performance group. I was on my way to a rehearsal at the time of the accident. I had only spun out my truck on some ice on a bridge and hit a barrier wall, and since no one was hurt (except me) I took a moment (and a panicky phone call to my mom) before I went on with my day. The thing was, I was having a hard time remembering steps I had already learned for the show or doing simple moves I had mastered years beforehand. I was literally looking at the equipment in my hands with no idea what to do with it. I remember thinking: “I TEACH this, I should be okay” but for the life of me I couldn’t spin a flag. We all decided it was my head injury causing the confusion (very well could have been) and I left rehearsal early and I refused to go to the hospital and I was delirious for a few days.

      Ever since I’ve had this growing, sick, gross feeling that I’m not in the right place. I always thought it was the wrong job, or a bad relationship, or the wrong school, or I needed a different town. Just, little things that just felt wrong. I have trouble concentrating. I have trouble committing to things (mostly because I feel like I should be doing something ELSE.) I have boughts of depersonalization and anxiety attacks. These are all normal things that happen with various mental illnesses and disorders (among other symptoms like depression and insomnia) but…

      All that, coupled with the idea that I’ve NOTICED these MEs (is that what you call them? Shifts?) in the last few years since my accident. I’m more aware of it. For me, the TAPS -> Ghost Hunters was a distinct change AFTER my accident. The John Goodman thing might have been that same winter, too. It’s like things switched on me. Maybe I never did a school report on South Korea.

      I always told my mom that if I had been on that bridge with another car? And they had hit me? I’d have been over the edge and I’d of been a gone-er. Did I have a NDE and not even know it? Or was the head injury enough? Is the person I am now another me that didn’t do color guard and died on a bridge and it just took a few days to adjust to my new life where I did? Or did I just get a glimpse? Like, the realities bumped together and some things stuck, like when you stick your hands on a glass and your hand print remains. The glass is still there, but you can see the print?

      Or is it just that I hurt my brain at a convenient time in my life and I’m buying into a conspiracy to help me make sense of heavy things that are rough to deal with? When “we share memories with alternate realities” is almost an easier thing to accept than “your brain is sick” should I be worried?

      But man, chartreuse is wine red.

      1. Emily, these are some very interesting memories. Thanks for taking the time to post them.

        The one that especially caught my attention is the one about Travolta and Elvis singing together. I’m sure some people are going to suggest “Grease,” but (of course) Elvis wasn’t in that, and Travolta’s styling is the one like Elvis… so it’s not like you’re mixing up Kenickie (Jeff Conaway) with Elvis. I mean, they’re not exactly look-alikes.

        I’ll be very interested if that memory turns up elsewhere. Unless someone created a montage with Travolta & Elvis, and I don’t know about it, that’s among the most intriguing memories I’ve seen at this site.

        I can’t eliminate the “your brain is sick” answer, but I can assure you that the people I first discussed this with — in the Dragon*Con “green room” — are creative people, but none of them seemed especially odd or mentally troubled.


      2. I feel the same as Emily. I feel like Im supposed to be doing something else and that nothing works quite like it should in life because its always the wrong thing, but cant aeem to pinpoint what or where exactly I should be. Its just odd to read her description of exactly how I feel and would like her to know if she reads this again that at least one other person understands. Its something that has absolutely been eating away at me. And, i share a lot, though not all, of the same memory sets.

        Im interested to know if or how this feeling relates to ME experience and NDEs and if this is common amongst those who have many alternate memories.

        1. Brian,

          At times, I share the same “this is supposed to work, and it should, logically… but it doesn’t” feeling. It’s not just a little weird, it’s often epic when it happens. Anyone with me is likely to gawk, because it makes no sense. And, no matter how I regroup so it’s sure to work the next time, I run into the same baffling walls.

          Some of my issues seem to be geographic. What doesn’t work in one location will suddenly start working, 10 times out of 10, less than 100 miles away. I have no idea what that’s about. I’ve gone as far as consulting the travel charts at ( ) and that has been helpful at times, but not consistently enough to say that’s the answer.

          I have not had any NDEs — not in the clinical sense, anyway — so that’s not a factor for me. A few people with these same memories have mentioned NDEs, but they seem to be in the minority. So, I’m not sure that’s the answer. (Then again, there may be multiple explanations for what we’re experiencing and documenting. I still believe physics will have an explanation for this, and — I hope — in the near future.)

          At the moment, I share about 20% of the memories at this site. Maybe a little less. However, the ones that match are an exact match. Even now, after several years of ME research, it surprises me. It would be far more convenient to think I’d misremembered or confused whatever-it-is with a similar (but different) event. However, the commonalities in the memories prevent me from lapsing into that easy answer.

          Something is going on. I just haven’t a clue what it is.


          1. I’d like to try and add a little comfort to this conversation, that for many people is pretty scary and troubling.

            I will preface this with the fact that I have not had any NDEs but at least 30% of the major memories on this website jive right in my memory, and I can’t shake off the idea that those are true.

            What I want others to find comfort in is that since I’ve been noticing these irregularities (starting pretty regularly in my 7th grade year) I’ve felt like I was in the RIGHT place, when I didn’t feel that way before. The memories of that timeline might have stuck with me, but this one has felt more real and fitting than the other one ever has, and I have experienced more than one moment of something that feels a bit like déjà-vu, but resonates like “this is where I’m supposed to be”.

            I can completely understand others feeling out of place, especially if many of these theories are true, but I believe that while we can ‘slip’ out of our original timelines, those timelines might not always be our correct timelines. I don’t think it’s out of the question that we could ‘slip’ into the timeline one of our selves is supposed to be in, like a fitted puzzle piece.

          2. I hope I’m not posting this in the wrong place….

            I got shivers all over when I read Emily’s post. I feel very similarly, that I am “supposed to be doing something else.” I have a very hard time focusing on my day-to-day life because I feel that there is something else I should be doing instead. I have been in therapy for years for this reason (it causes me a great deal of depression and frustration.)

            I also had a close call with death. At age 17, (1997) I totaled my car on the interstate highway. My car flipped over and landed backwards, upside down, in a ditch. I watched the windshield shatter before my eyes. I was completely unhurt- not a scratch or bruise, which was strange. Could I have died in another timestream?

            For me, the tank man died; Mongolia was not a country on top of China (it may have been a desert), Berenstain Bears was Berenstein (I have always called them Berenstein, and I read perfectly well. I don’t know why I would have read “stein” when it clearly said “stain”.) When I started reading my kids the books in 2009 or so, the “stain” jumped out at me and I thought it was odd.

      3. I don’t know why but your post spoke to me on a personal, and somewhat scary level.
        I was hospitalized after a suicide attempt. I was going to jump out in front of a semi.
        Since then, everything has just felt… WRONG. I failed school 3 years in a row, and all of my mental issues got severely worse and i ended up dropping out.

        holy crap
        i just realized that maybe it wasn’t my NDE that triggered some kind of shift in my life.
        about a month before my attempt, my mom was in a coma. After she came home, she didn’t seem like herself. I didn’t recognize her at all.
        then i got hospitalized.
        when i came home, she was fine and was recovering well.

        wow. i don’t know what to make of this.

    2. I remember commercials for Cool Ranch Doritos but not Fritos..

      I could swear John Williams had died!

    3. Cool Ranch Fritos don’t exist in this reality?? Crap. I HAD to shift into this one. Shifting doesn’t just freak one out. It has practical downsides, too 🙁

      1. Wait… no Cool Ranch Fritos…? That’s just wrong. Really, deeply wrong.

        Seriously, the little things like this are the ones that still take me off-guard.

    1. JM, that’s very cool information, if a little weird. Some of it matches what’s been said here, but in a different context. This bears more research. Thanks!

    2. That is quite interesting. Unfortunately he did not say how to cross over, still… Maybe just going there is enough, as it may be a place where the barrier between realities is weak, or non-existant, I.E stepping there puts you in another reality.

      A lot of what he speaks of resembles Shamanism or Wicca, and those skills may be needed in other to cross over…Maybe.

      1. I’ve long believed that many elements described as “magic” — especially “correspondences” — are actually triggers relating to something quantum.

    3. Strange. I tracked down the Chevron in question. It’s at the corner of Whipple Ave and Winslow St in Redwood City, California. Not far from me — I’m in San Francisco. All Google Map imagery of the store shows the standard blue-on-top signage. According to THIS, the picture was taken on September 28, 2006. The earliest Google Maps imagery is from June 2007 (Only available from the Whipple Ave vantage point)

      Where did you come across this image in particular?

    4. The Chevron “sign” is a sign of this reality. I remember the red being above the blue and the current blue over red looks weird to me.

    5. JM, I think that you may have misunderstood that guy’s post on the Icke forum; he wasn’t indicating that that particular Cheveon location was a dimensional portal, he was saying that he groups the different realities that he shifts in and out of by using the alternate Cheveron sign – and other alternates/anomolies – to orient himself as to what reality/timeline he is in at any given moment. He apparently has become so conscious of back-and-forth shifting that he has learned to catalog the different realities he slides in and out of by using recognizable/remembered differences as guideposts. Which is as brilliant as it is facinating! In addition to a universe in which the Cheveron symbol’s top arrow is red, he also uses McDonalds signs that are dark red (rather than red-orange) as a point of reference, among others.

  43. As a child in the early 90’s I remember hearing and singing PINK!’S get this party started song… and then one day, years later, everyone started raving about it and I thought they were all bonkers because I’ve known about that song for years and years and thought nothing of it.

  44. Hi fiona, Mostly i am complacent due to an indulgent angel taking care of my mundane troubles,and in these lethargic spans sometimes imagination runs wild.I have always believed that life is too precious a thing to get lost in the oblivion and abyss of past subject to the whims of malleable historians.What i imagine is that all life that is supposedly past is a living platform,beings with higher faculties and obviously more sensible minds,can and do access these regions that we call(due to our lesser faculties and vicious attitude)land of dead.Such a magnificent thing as life that, according to anthropic principle is nurtured by whole galaxies for just a tiny earth,cannot simply be swallowed by such an insipid factor like ‘past’,infact there is still no proof that entropy really exists that creates different’s that as a mandela effect theory?or mandela effect is just a small manifestation,a small speck of guiding light in moonless night.

  45. I have many memories that fit into this theme, most from my personal life.

    I’ll start with the famous examples.
    Throughout high school i remember being taught that Mandela had died and it had been a major theme in a civil rights class as he was the martyr that set the wheel in motion for South Africa. Similar with tank boy, while he was normally mentioned in passing it was always that he was run down and thats what made his stance so iconic.
    I also remember Ghost Hunters being named T.A.P.S (In Australia it was constantly replayed on FOXTEL). I have asked around and everyone agrees on that, I also remember being taught that the U.S.A had 52 states as well as tv shows confirming it. Although i do remember other shows that would say 50 which would confuse me. In one list i remember seeing Northen California and Southern California, which is interesting now that that is actually being considered.

    In my personal life I’ll occasionally get home to find minor differences, for example; my shoes (not the ones i had been wearing, my casual pair) being a different colour, finding different food in the cupboard than what i had purchased doing groceries (one time was a flavour of chips that had never existed and when i asked my partner about it she laughed and told me that it was my favourite flavour).
    Then there are the cases of people not being able to recall significant conversations, or their tastes changing overnight (bigger than just discovering a new band or actually listening to an artist they dislike and changing their opinion). I had one friend who was deathly allergic to shellfish, but now its her favourite dish.
    I also have a memory from my childhood of watching Days Of Thunder with my parents, hopefully someone might know what I’m talking about. There’s one scene where there is a major wreck and Rowdy? does a kamikaze move to take out Tom Cruise’s character. I remember the scene being that Rowdy actually crashes in the wreck and Tom Cruise hits him when his car is rolling (the perspective is from inside Tom’s car). Which is what helped them overcome their rivalry. I argued with my parents for weeks over that scene and became adament that it was a different version to what i had seen before (this is before i knew there was such a thing as different releases). I’m yet to find proof the scene exists but every time the movie gets to that point I always picture it over the top of whats actually happening accidentally. It just seems too real and makes too much sense to be a dream, it always confused the hell out of me.
    Of course the list is much much longer but i shall leave it at that.

    On a slightly different topic, all this talk of alternate realities got me thinking. I’m certain that its more than just memories shared, I will often get strange pains that dont apply to the situation, for example: I have on occasion suffered sudden pain that feels like a broken bone (twice in my ankle, once in my ribs, and once in my shoulder, since which has left me with limited movement and strength). All of which when i was doing something as simple and relaxing as sitting on the couch. The pain has lasted up to two months in each case. I have had every test imagineable done as well as x-rays and scans, each time leaving doctors scratching their heads with no answers. I also have gotten cuts and marks on my body that aren’t even physically possible for the situation. So could pain, if intense enough be shared just like memories with high emotional impact?

    On a slightly different note (again) does anyone else get the sensation when walking or driving where everything seems to jump across an inch or so followed by a moment of intense confusion?
    Could that be when you skip across realities and in the one you end up in you’re just slightly across from where you had been?

    I think I should leave it at that before i start rambling

    1. Dean,

      Thank you for taking the time to share that much information with us, and in such useful detail. I’m fascinated by what you’ve experienced, and I’m looking forward to seeing others’ responses to some of the events you recall.

      I’ll be very interested in the time/space shift you mentioned when walking or driving. For many years, I’ve talked about “compressing time” when driving, and startled passengers when they’ve witnessed it. At one moment, we’ll be at a certain location. The next moment (literally), we’re two or three miles farther ahead in our journey. It’s rarely more than that, but it has happened. (Ah, if I could only do that deliberately when I’m late for an appointment!)

      It had never crossed my mind that this might be a skip from one reality to another. But, when I look at the times in my life when the most dramatic “Look, we’re already there!” treks happened… each could have been a slide. Fascinating!


      1. Fiona, here i agree with you that these glitches happen and this is the original theme of this site,parallel realities,many a time we have strayed from the subject,with only unproductive acrimony. we have to clean the slate every time we post new thoughts,i mean wiping out all the arcane subjects we had studied since long like; occult, theology,conspiracy,mind control experiments etc.

      2. I clearly remember it being spelled Berenstein Bears. I love the books as a child and read them before they ever showed up on TV, my mother and I always pronounced it Beren-(steen) because we assumed that was the pronunciation due to the spelling. Nothing will ever convince me differently about this one!

        My husband and I both knew the capital of Turkey as Istanbul, not Ankara. I too, was shocked to hear about Mandela’s death. I believed he had died many years before. Not to mention the strange sign language translator that actually did not know sing language added to the confusion, I actually thought that I was watching a spoof during the last televised funeral. It really freaked me out.

        Now to add a couple of personal experiences. As a child, 2-3yrs, I got pneumonia very badly and my parents always told a story of how I woke them up in the night screaming about how bugs were on me, my fever was so high I was hallucinating. We spoke of that story quite a bit when I was young and how my mother was so scared, blah blah. I got pneumonia in my early 20s and was with my BF and mother and brought up how I had pneumonia as a kid and the bug story. My mother looked at me like I was crazy and said it NEVER happened. She had NO memory of it whatsoever. Now after reading all of these posts I wonder if I crossed over into another timeline because of the illness.

        Another weird thing that happened this spring was my family moved into a new house and it had well water. The water had some iron issues so we had purchased these large drums of water, they weighed at least 50lbs each. My husband had stacked them on this industrial shelf in the garage. A day or two later we come home and all the water jugs are sitting on the floor, not on the shelf. NO ONE had been in the home. The kids nor I could not have even lifted these to do this anyway. My husband is a powerlifter and is the only one in the house who could raise or lower them from that height. We have been baffled about that.

        1. Istanbul capital of Turkey for my spouse and I as well. *sigh* Reality shifts at it finest. I didn’t know of Ankara until reading this post and then looking it up. Texting my spouse who also has NEVER heard of Ankara.

      3. Oh I had that happen! I was driving south on a road I often travel on. I was headed home from a large city north of me where my mom was in the hospital. It was Easter sunday, sunny and clear, about 3 pm. My two small children were asleep in the back seat. I pulled in to a little convenience store on the right side of the road to pee. I make a point of only patroning stores on the right side of the road so I don’t get turned around. I turned right and headed south again, expecting to see the sign for “bear crossing next twelve miles”. After driving about ten minutes, I look up and the sign is for a turn I take to get to the city, 40 minutes north of the convenience store I was just at! I was freaked but thought maybe I tuned left out of the store and headed north by accident. However, there are two big landmarks on that road that I did not remember driving by – a large bridge that was short but very high, one lane, that you have to pay attention on when you are driving over it; the other was a small airport with private biplanes right before a mall. I did NOT drive past any of those before I saw the Route road sign. It was forty minutes until I got back to the convenience store, but I did not drive 40 minutes north, maybe 15 tops. At the convenience store was a light with two thru lanes and a left turn lane. I am certain I did not cross three lanes of traffic to turn back north after waiting at the light. It was surreal and felt like someone was playing toy cars, picked mine up and put it down where I’d just come from. I cannot explain it to this day.

    2. Keep in mind, that pain is essentially an electric impulse signal, and the fact that X-rays and so on found nothing may mean it could be those impulses coming from another reality.

      Although I do believe you may actually have crossed over, or merged with other realities as your memories are FAR more vivid and detailed than what most people have experienced, plus you appear to have carried visible signs of the other realities. I.E your scars etc. I wouldn’t mind more rambling from you, this is quite interesting and it reveals alot about whatever reality you may have originated from.

      1. Hi gurluas,

        When it comes to pains I normally take note when they pop up more than most other people due to my tendency to ignore injuries and end up aggravating them further down the line, but now that I’m not playing any sports or doing physical work I’m beginning to realise how much is out of place that in the past I would just blame on an injury.
        So these sensations may apply to some, if not everyone and some may have an explanation that I just haven’t seen, but here’s a rough list of what I experience.
        what feels like a bee sting most commonly on the sole of my foot, but does occur randomly on my body, never any marks where the pain had been, nor anything that could explain it, never when there’s any weight on the area.
        the sensation of muscles tearing or being strained, never fits the situation.
        sudden pains that feel like being struck by a blunt object.
        the sensation of being cut, or receiving an injection, once was the sensation of getting a tattoo that went on for a few hours.
        there are a couple more, but I can’t seem to recall them at this moment in time.

        I might be giving off the impression that this is a very common occurrence for me, but in reality I rarely experience more than one of these a month.

        it has also made me wonder. when amputees speak of the sensation of a phantom limb, could that be that they’re feeling the limb that an alternate version of themselves never lost? and then could the sensation of pins and needles actually being the feeling of interference when they gain sensation of that limb?

        on the topic of minor changes, I am in no way the most observant person you would ever meet, hence why I normally would only notice differences that clash with my choices, for example, with the shoes in my last post, I rencently bought a pair of blue shoes (blue being my favourite colour) one day after work when I got home I noticed they were now bright red, it instantly stood out as wrong as I had refused to buy those shoes that were now in front of me because in my opinion they looked like clown shoes (due to the fact I’m quite short with size 13 feet). A few days later when I got used to the idea of the shoes they were back to blue. (i know it wasn’t a prank as I’m the only person I know who would go through that much trouble without saying anything just to mess with someone).
        same with conversations, I make sure to remember all the major details, especially if it’s business related or my partner trying to hint at something. yet if I directly quote what was said (from a sober conversation) I will often get blank stares or claims that what I’m referring to doesn’t exist or is just incredibly wrong.
        I’m trying to think up more examples but I’m just blanking, so I’d rather not force it and end up with fake memories, so I’ll leave it at that for now.

          1. Vivek, yes, but — in general — we assume that visitors to this website have either ruled out “normal” explanations before they landed here, or they understand that they’re proposing something outside normal/accepted explanations.

            Responses along the lines of “It might be only….” (followed by something they could find on Wikipedia) can sound insulting and limit eagerness to speculate further. I don’t want that to happen at this site, so I’m cautious about some comments. This was close to that range, but obscure enough that I approved it.

            Personally, I think Dean’s suggestions take this facet of the discussion in an intriguing new direction, and I’m especially interested in what others think about this phenomena indicating an interaction with an alternate reality.

            Sincerely, Fiona

          2. Hi vivek,
            Thank you for that, I had never known that syndrome by its real name. I had only known it as scale error.
            I do appreciate people sharing those possibilities as I use it as an opportunity to learn about things I normally would not have noticed.
            Sadly though in this case it doesn’t fit, not even playing Google doc makes it work for me.
            But if you or anyone else know of any explanations for my experiences aside from the main theme of this site please let me know. Even if it is the most basic common knowledge, I know there’s big gaps in what I know when it comes to psychology and neuroscience, any input is greatly appreciated. At least then I will be able to learn about more ways the mind can play tricks so I can make an educated decision on whether my experiences fit this phenomena or if I need my head checked, haha.

      2. While replying to the recent survey post I found this book Mind Crash as I was attempting to research the dejavu issues mentioned on that post entitled When Did This Start.

        My computer kicked me off the internet around 3am EST and refused to allow access. i read other tabs that I had already uploaded and closed them out refusing to shut down my computer prior to 4am. While attempting to reload one of the pages it gives me an error saying something about the site’s entry followed by a “0”. At 4:45 am I finally decide to restart my computer only to find that there are 13 updates necessary…Considering my reply post on the When Did This Start page I think this is weird..coincidence..maybe not.

        I pull up the page from Mind Crash and scroll to the top where it states “Any device that can be driven by electricity can be patched into a network and controlled by computer (the significance of which shall be revealed at some point in the future)” page 36 by Mike Gill. So I do a control F for “electri” because I recall for some reason seeing the word electrical on this page and find the above comment.

        Other things to note ( and I know this is not my personal blog so please feel free to remove if deemed necessary) on the When did this start post I mentioned going to Japan. On the flight there they rebooted the entertainment system 2-3 times. The screen was black and provided a prompt displaying multiple 0’s. This lasted for the first hour of flight. Upon returning to the States and waking up at 3pm (slept for 13 hours) I received a call from 000-000-0000 at 4:48 pm which of course I did not answer.

        Even when in Jp I woke up at 4am …they are 13 hours ahead.
        Thought the electrical thing was interesting considering the brain and neurons

    3. I continue to get more freaked out, the more I read this page. Yes, I have had moments — I think twice in my life — when I was driving and it seemed that the windshield wipers suddenly appeared on the other side of the windshield. Like an edit in a movie. Of course I believe that I somehow “lost” a few seconds, not that I have magic windshield wipers.

      For context, I am positive that I grew up with the BerenstEin Bears, and I have had a few premonitions that have come true.

    4. The shoes & chips stories are definitely some of the most intriguing ones I’ve read on this site so far. Wow. I’m going to be thinking about that the rest of the day…

      Re: pains, etc. Feeling like you’ve broken something you haven’t sounds to me like some kind of connection to another timestream where you did break it. Maybe a glitch of some sort causing you to experience pains caused in another reality. In thinking about this, I remembered how I often find bruises on my legs without remembering having hit them. I wear long pants most of the time so it may be a while before I notice them, but there’s no explanation I can really think of. I don’t DO much – I’m not running around or playing sports. There’s no way I could injure the top of my legs while I’m sleeping, if anything it would be my feet hitting the footboard (is that a word?) Maybe I have a self in another reality who plays soccer or something!

      Re: driving I’ve had multiple instances where I was driving and suddenly I was farther along in my journey (usually within the same street though) and didn’t remember the time in between. One day I read about “microsleep” and I think that’s what I experienced. Especially considering it happened the most in high school, when I was constantly sleep-deprived. What you described seems a bit different but that could also be your perception of it based on what you think it is, if that makes sense? So I suggest that you read a bit about microsleep to see if it fits with your experience. If it does, get some sleep and be safe! If you can rule it out, it does sound like a timeslip is a possibility. Perhaps you drove past one of those chevron portals mentioned a few comments above.. 😉

      Here’s some info on microsleep, scroll down to “But what about driving a car?”

  46. Please include the missing thunderbird photo . This is a true Temporal Paradox! My Grandmother lived next door to us, and I looked at the photograph often – in a book she had. It might have been Mysteries of the unexplained, or Ripley’s believe it or not.
    Here is one link (crappy web site) and my notes:
    I personally remember this photo from a book in my grandmothers house. I used to look at it often, as she lived next door. Around 2009, I went searching for the photo online and was stunned to discover that the photo is missing – the book I thought it was in seems to have been altered – my past seems to have been altered! I’m not alone – there are many others who remember this book/photo. I saw it many times – Granny lived next door. This drawing is the closest image to what I remember.
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    1. I don’t know why, but this whole thunderbird thing is familiar to me.
      Although I know nothing of it, but that drawing does look like something I’ve seen before.

      I once did a lot of research on cryptozoology as I believed they were creatures from other realities.

  47. I was trying to find TAPS after having a chat with some of my mates, we can all remember watching it together with a few drinks taking the piss out of it and generally having a good time together. I’ve been trying to find some downloads of it so we can rewatch some together and relive some good times. Needless to say I didn’t find much and ended up here.

    Anyway there’s another show a couple of us watching together called Candle Cove and we’ve been trying to get more info because the same things happened with that show as well, all we have is this transcript from a page we can’t find anymore that I saved to my computer to show to my other mates who remember the show as well.

    Any chance you can help us out?

    1. I’m pretty sure there is a popular creepypasta about the Candle Cove show.
      If not, then i’m not sure why but i do know i’ve heard that name before. It’s about pirates, right?

  48. Hi dean, AIWS is mostly benign and in any case i had not suggested any neurological disorder.If you really want to know tricks of the mind visit reddit/glitch in the matrix there are hundreds of experiences similar to yours.

  49. I was really determined not to post my experiences from the last week.
    I certainly am not going to discuss them with people I know.
    If anyone shared with me what I’m about to share I would think they’d lost their mind or were joking with me.

    Quick back story:
    One week ago I was exiting my bedroom when the door got stuck and swung back as I was quickly walking through the doorway.

    The bedroom was dark so I walked full force into the door.

    I was so stunned/hurt that I didn’t know how bad it was until I looked into the mirror. From just above my right eyebrow to the top of my hairline I had huge immediate goose egg with a 2 inch cut on top.

    I tend to be very tough and resistant to pain so I decided to just carry on with it, but keep an eye on it.

    Was in some pain the rest of the day, but not a big deal.

    Lying down to go to sleep was weird though, felt uncomfortable with a lot of fluid resting heavy on forehead.

    The next day I woke up and noticed that animals seemed to have knocked recycling all over the backyard.

    I went outside to pick things up and was confused to see a trash bag lining the overturned recycling container.

    For starters I never would bother using a liner for a recycling container. The whole point of having it is so that the rain doesnt collect in it and make the recycled cans smell gross. And it wasn’t the kind of variety I or my boyfriend use.

    I try to rationalize it and asked my boyfriend if he put a trash bag inside the recycling container.

    He said no that would be stupid and he hasn’t been in the backyard in weeks anyway.

    I tried to come up with some rational explanation.

    We have a very private yard in the suburbs, that is gated.

    So it seemed pretty implausible that anyone decided to knock over a bin full of recycling cans and then neatly place a liner inside the container but leave cans strewn across the yard.

    This just seemed a bit strange and I move on to the rest of my day.
    I was having a bad bout of procrastination and was idly looking at silly gossip news.

    I noticed an item on actress Ashlee Simpson and her fiance Evan Ross. He’s a talented actor and I was curious about the news ..
    I thought to myself that it was nice for him to be getting married since he lost his Mother, the singer Diana Ross a couple years back
    due to cancer from cigarette smoking.

    My jaw dropped when I saw a photo of a quite alive Diana Ross in the photo with him.

    And also before anyone says that I must have confused Diana Ross death with singer Donna Summer a couple years ago, no Im not.
    Donna Summer claimed to have gotten lung cancer as a result of 9/11 fumes.

    Since I once worked at WTC2 (I left job 3 months before everything happened) and was around there breathing bad crap like everyone else in lower Manhattan, I remember DS death story clearly.

    Anyway, I started to get a hinky feeling that day because I knew 100% that Diana Ross was dead.
    I then thought about it further. I’m still pretty young but my bf is a bit older and likes mellow music.
    He put on some show a few weeks ago that had on Smokey Robinson. I commented to my boyfriend that Smokey group on near Diana and that it was sad she was gone.
    I don’t know if my bf even heard me (you know since our bf and dh can tune us out) but he didnt dispute what I said.

    I then started googlign Diana Ross death hoax to see if there was some big hoax a couple years ago and thats why I thought she was dead/

    Nothing came up.

    And it’s funny but I didnt even know that Diana Ross was a big smoker and drinker and went to rehab for it ..

    After this weirdness I started reading up on alternate timelines.
    I didnt even know what to call it, I just freaked out and randomly typing stuff like “I think I’m in a parellel universe, scared” and stuff.

    I also looked up stuff on hitting my forehead, but the information given was basically you’re fine from braind injuries like this or you develop swelling and die. No inbetweens.

    Late that night I was coming to bed and noticed my boyfriend’s phone’s message light blinking.

    It’s always an annoying light green.
    I went to cover it over, but saw the light was now bright deep blue.

    I tried to chalk it up to perhaps being a different feature he set it to.

    The next morning I casually asked him. He said no that it’s always green.

    Again, that seemed odd.

    That night we watched an adventure show on people exploring Stagelite Caves . I have always wanted to visit these since I was kid.
    They are a big deal to me because I wasn’t given parental permission for a school trip as a kid to visit them.

    Last year we took a 4 hour trip to go skiing
    It was a long drive and one of the only interesting things along the way were signs for various Stalagmite Caves.

    I was pining and whining to go see them when we went skiing and on return from skiing.
    But no dice. Boyfriend was completely uninterested because he just wanted to drive fast and not waste time.

    Anyway as we watched the show I asked him if he had ever visited Stalagmite caves .

    He furrowed his brow and looked at me and said ‘yes WE did visit them”

    I thought he must be talking about him and his family when he was a kid.

    I asked him how old he was. Again he looked at me shook his head a bit and said We visited them when I was 36 (last year he was 36)

    So he meant that he and I in his worldview visited them.

    Mind BLOWN.

    So now with these little incidents I have been stunne dto say the least …

    I have no way of logically explaining anything I have written here.

    And as a postscript. I was surprised to see that the boy who was crushed in Tiananmen Square apprently didn’t exist. That event was huge to me because I was little and it seemed so awful that another kid would have that happen.
    I recall my grandmother and others calming me down and recall my Mother talking about it for a long while.

    I can’t speak to them about it since my grandmother passed on and my Mother had a disabling stroke.

    Anyway I am glad there are people out there who have compelling stories.

    Some of them are of course complete rubbish, but a few stories intrigue me.

    1. If the theory of quantum immortality is true…You may have died from that swelling, and “shifted” into an alternate reality.

      Or you are receiving memories from it, or you are in flux between two realities.
      It’s hard to say.

    2. Hello “I don’t know why I am posting here.” I know why I wrote a long post on this site a few months ago – because my mind was blown at the thought of alternate histories, universes etc and I needed to share it with someone who wouldn’t look at me like I was crazy. Those are some wild experiences you’ve had. I wish I could say something that was comforting. I myself have gotten a lot of comfort from reading about “near death experiences” and the profound peace people have – I think that someday we will all have more answers to the confusion we experience here. I probably would be a complete skeptic of these things if I hadn’t experience the death of certain people who are currently alive – specifically preacher Billy Graham and actor Richard Chamberlain – watching a funeral for Mr. Graham and news stories for Mr. Chamberlain. Plus I had a vague sense that Mandela had died years early but no strong memories. With Billy Graham, I heard something about him on the radio – something he was currently doing and was dumbstruck. I was alone but said outloud “I KNOW he died.” It disturbed me so much I put it out of my mind for awhile – I kind of repressed that memory – of remembering that he had died. (Yep, sounds nuts, but I know what I know.) I’ve shared a few other alternative memories. Anyway, you are NOT alone and not nuts but it must be disturbing having these experiences. The author of this site always tries to look for rational explanations first – like for instance, your head injury could maybe, possibly affect some memories – wipe out the memory of your visit to the caves. But that wouldn’t explain everything. By the way, how are you feeling now? Any obvious residual effects from your injury? And some of those stories that sound like complete rubbish may not be rubbish to someone else – they may have alternate memories that are as real as yours are to you. Anyway, take care and be gentle with yourself!

      1. Hi julia, Maybe what we feel is relative or rather subjective,i ,for one can’t imagine what is so disturbing about mandela effect.Does it matter if somebody comes alive by whatever means,the word rational has become hackneyed and it suits people like james ost, not fiona.The world will go on its own sweet way even if Presley or monroe come alive.As much as i can imagine it’s the period of hey days that is relevant in a person’s life,and mostly it can be as long as 40 yrs(20 to 60)or say 50 but not more.There is a tale of count St. Germain who is always 45 and has lived for centuries and even if true he is one of handful of persons among billions to have such a life,maybe if we workout his secret this subject will become more worthwhile till then there should be nothing to get disturbed about,just take it as fun.

        1. Vivek, I think this is one of those times when text may not convey the message well.

          When I read Julia’s post, I nodded in agreement. Initially, this effect can be disorienting. To some, that’s disturbing until they realize they’re not alone, and many of us share the exact same “displaced” memories.

          I think it’s fine to feel unsettled, disturbed, or even shocked by the implications of the Mandela Effect. It’s different when it’s someone else, or a TV show, movie, or book. When your own memories are involved… that can take some time to accept. (And then there is the “Wow… when did this happen? How long have I been in another timestream?” question.)

          The initial step is to rule out “normal” or “rational” explanations that can return you to the security of a world where history and geography are consistent and match your personal memories. Many people find comfort in that.

          If that doesn’t work, I think many people (including me) go through a series of yes/no steps before accepting that the alternate memory is as valid as the more (apparently) mainstream one in the current timeline.

          I think Julia’s advice — to be gentle with yourself during this process — is a heartfelt, valid, and considerate one. When someone is traumatized — only briefly, I hope — and posts in a moment of absolute astonishment, I think Julia’s advice is excellent.

          We’re communicating here from different cultures, sometimes different languages, and perhaps the person has only recently arrived in this timestream. I’d like to avoid being critical of rhetoric, in favor of looking at what we share, including some alternate memories.

          Sincerely, Fiona

          1. Hi fiona, julia is a nice lady and so are you,i am not too bad either but clearly there are some who are too full of themselves and go on to repeat their diatribe in glp,and adding some unsavoury remarks about M.E to make a good measure.Now i know why i like movies like ‘crank’ starring jason statham.

            1. Vivek, I try to keep this a relatively open forum. When I don’t approve a comment, it’s because it’s extremely repetitive, or critical, or both, and contributes nothing helpful to the conversation.

              If a comment in those categories is new-ish or one that needs to be addressed, I’ll approve it and reply as a way of saying, “Okay, you probably have a point within your own context and among like-minded people who share your views. That’s fine, but this isn’t the forum for that kind of rhetoric.”

              Some people haven’t been happy about this website, and that’s fine. Some are intelligent people will well-grounded, conflicting opinions about the Mandela Effect.

              Some are coping with challenges in their lives, and need to be angry or snarky. They have my sympathy, but no place in the dialogue at this site. They’ll find other places to vent.

              A few have a very specific agenda that includes distracting people from the reality of this phenomenon. If my sources are correct, certain organizations exist to generate a smokescreen or a good amount of deliberate chaos in discussions, online and off. That line of logic often includes the idea that this is one of several topics being aggressively and covertly researched for the purpose of social control.

              I worked at MIT long enough to know that some surprising “new” concepts have been studied and tested since the 1960s and some far earlier. A few things still assumed to be “sci-fi” have been real and in use for decades. The public just doesn’t know about them, yet.

              For me, that’s neither here nor there (an amusing phrase in itself). My main reason for creating and maintaining this website is to let people know that their memories are not always faulty. In fact, some of their most confusing memories may have happened exactly as they remember them (or close to that), and others share those same memories.

              At its simplest, I want this website to assure people, “You’re not losing your mind. You simply remember a different — but very real — history from another timestream… and there’s nothing ‘wrong’ about that. This website demonstrates that you’re not alone. Go with the flow of the timestream where you are, now. You’re not ‘broken’. Eventually, science will explain this so it becomes an ‘everyone knows’ understanding of physics.”

              I’m very protective of this site and what a new visitor will read here. Other websites may have other objectives. That’s one of the great things about the web is the ability to create sites that offer contrasting opinions.

              I believe this community includes many wonderful people with fresh, helpful insights. I want to encourage that dialogue while being mindful of how fragile some people are, especially when they’re new to these concepts. That’s when they can be most fragile. I’d like to give them the space they need to come to terms with this reality, even when they’re clearly at a stage where they’re struggling to understand how this could be real. Their memories aren’t ‘wrong’, but others’ aren’t necessarily, either. All can exist in the multiverse.

              That’s my philosophy for this website, and a lofty goal I’m still working on. I don’t have all the answers. I probably don’t have more than a very small number of them, and most of my ideas start with “What if…?”

              I encourage those with alternate views — which may reflect different opinions, cultural backgrounds and colloquial use of English, or a recent arrival in this timestream — to share their thoughts, experiences, and insights here… but also at their own websites.

              When one of those websites is active and filled with wonderful insights, I visit it. When it’s not… well, my schedule is too full to add anything that doesn’t significantly contribute to what I’m working on, or result in a smile, or both.


      2. I remember Billy Graham passing away too. I’m now 27 years old, but I remember coming home and my mom saying she was recording his funeral on television. I remember watching parts of it.

    3. Yes, there is probably something going on with Diana Ross. I don’t remember her death, but I do remember her having a DUI and mugshot in the media, it was around the same time Dreamgirls came out, and I attributed to the stress of having to revisit this story that was clearly about the Supremes and having to answer questions about that. When I look the incident up, it happened in 2002 and Dreamgirls came out in 2006. I would have never noticed or noted some celebrity’s DUI in 2002 because I was too busy being a student, and I would not have attributed her relapse to Dreamgirls because it wasn’t being made yet. I also remember thinking that I didn’t like the public shaming aspect of it because I remembered when James Brown mugshot (2004) was released and I just think certain older people should get to keep their dignity until they’ve been convicted. So I basically remember a DUI happening about 4-5 years after it happened in this timeline.

      Also, has anyone experienced the ME with celebrity ages? I always just assumed the celebrity was lying to appear younger, but since death dates shift birth dates could shift just as easily. The most egregious change has been Beyonce, who went from being several years older than me to several years younger the last time I checked.

      1. I think I can relate to what you are saying with this. My moment at noticing this came sometime last month. It had to do with Britney Spears birth date. I had always remembered her being born in December of 1982. Reason for this was I had always remember her being younger than me. I was born in February of 1982 and I remember reading her bio last year and it saying 1982 for her birth year. But last month (May 2015 at this point.) I was reading her bio for some reason I don’t remember and it read as Dec 2 of 1981. I normally don’t forget birthdays, so this came as a surprise to me. I didn’t find my way to this site til this month, due to something mention on this page on another page. My mother and I do notice things of this nature off and on. Plus we are of the psychically gifted grouping of life. I’ve been dealing with it since I was wee little. But we don’t go out of way to make it a practice ether. But we do tell each other when things happen when the other is not around or is asleep. Mom said it’s a family thing too, so one of my kids are bound to deal with it too and she was right. My oldest is just starting his journey into this stuff. But we told him if he has any questions, just to ask us and we would do our best to explain it to him. But yeah, this stuff is quite amazing and so is this site. Oh by the way, does any one have the memory of the Colorado Theater Shooter killing himself after shooting the others. Cause I do, but at the same time I remember him being alive for his trial. This came to me last week while I was on Yahoo’s front page due to the trial of the same said guy being on it. I thought how odd, I thought he was died due to shooting himself. Because I also remember people being mad at his dad too. Does anyone remember this?

        Peace & Love, Daizy.

        1. Daisy, the same thing happened with me! I thought for years that Britney as born in December of 1982. I only just recently (within a year or so) learned she was born in 81. That date just doesn’t sit right with me. But I wonder if there might be something more dubious going on with stuff like that. Back in the old days, actors and actresses fibbed about their birthdates all the time (usually to make themselves younger) but it seems Britney’s family and Hollywood were prepping her to be a sex kitten superstar from an early age. Remember the Rolling Stone cover of her half clothed when she was like 17 and all the mixed reactions it got? Imagine if everyone knew that she was only 16! Also, the Aurora theater shooter didn’t kill himself, but the Sandy Hook shooter did. It’s possible you might be getting those guys confused.

          1. Nikki, actors still fib about their ages to seem younger. Since Brittney was a Disney kid, she may have “acquired” a younger age… born 1982 instead of 1981, at least for her early publicity. That would be fairly normal for a child star, and — given her personality — it seems equally reasonable that, as Brittney approached her 18th birthday, she’d demand to be recognized for her true age.

            Also, I’m not convinced anyone’s likely to confuse the Aurora shooter and the Sandy Hook one. Unless the person was very young or very distracted at the times those two tragedies occurred, the extreme differences aren’t easily overlooked.

            1. Fiona, if you have any info about celebs who are lying about their ages, please tell all! I love stuff like that! It seems like it would be a lot harder to get away with these days, but not impossible if you have the right people backing you. Daizy’s memory about James Holmes’ death may be a Mandela Effect for her, just not for me.. Mainly because I remember his wild-eyed mug shot all over the news, and a lot of my family and friends were talking about his hair being red, instead of green, and how sloppy and lame it looked since he was attempting to imitate The Joker.
              Oh, and there are still a few old (dating back to 98-99) websites listing Britney’s date of birth as Dec. 2nd 1982.

              1. Nikki, the celeb birthdate issue is fairly easy to expose if someone is a dedicated fan. Whether via the Wayback Machine or in older books in public libraries, one can find other years of birth for long-term celebrities. Focus on those who started as children or early teens.

                Also, I rarely approve comments that imply or insist “you must be confused” or “well, maybe you remember it that way, but I don’t” regarding alternate memories. I’m never sure why people bother posting that sort of thing, here. (Okay, I’m pretty sure they’ve never read my Terms: Comments page.)

                We already know that our memories don’t match this reality. Most of us have already explored — often, in depth — how we might have been confused, or where we might have received faulty data. So, unless it’s something widely and incorrectly reported (“Dewey Defeats Truman,” ref. ), this site doesn’t try to untangle people’s faulty memories. Readers have already done their homework in that respect. I assume that’s Step 0 in the sequence, before commenting at this site.


            2. Hi Nikki and Fiona. I got goosebumps when you mention the Rolling Stones cover thing. I get what you ment with the whole Hollywood age thing and had thought of that too. Also I was aware of Adam Lanza and Sandy Hook when I made my posting. I am aware that the shooter of the Aurora Theater event had don’t killed himself, but I am saying I have memory of him doing so. A dual memory of sed event. But anywho, I am glad that one of these memories of mine match up with someone. Tho I will say this, I do share a lot of the memories on this site. But then again their are a lot I don’t. This phenomenon is not lost on me tho. It makes me wonder about me dreams, they are quite realistic feeling. Sometimes so real that I think I am awake when I am not. By the way this site is awesome, I even have a soundtrack that I am listening to while reading all the comments. It makes dealing with this a lot more easier.

  50. I just had a really weird experience recently.

    I was looking up the Columbine massacre and decided to check the date. Every resource I checked said it happened in 1999 but I clearly remember learning earlier on that it happened in 1996. Even my boyfriend remembers it happening in 1996.

    1. I’ve ALWAYS remembered writing about it in English class my Freshman year: 1997. And I remember talking to everyone about it that say in front of me. But little things like being into Marilyn Manson wouldn’t have held as much weight in 1997 as he was just breaking out. I always felt hazy about the freshman year thing but it was so vivid I thought I dreamed it. But I remember smells associated with it

  51. Awesome site, i had a very interesting time reading and still have many link to go through from here. Thanks to everyone who has commented.

    My Wife and me also remember New Zealand being NWof Australia, i still thought it was till i read this site and checked a world map, wrecked my head slightly haha. We was also certain that Australia was by itself .

    I’ve had some pretty strange things happen to me in the past, trying to explain them without sounding batshit crazy is impossible for me to do. Put it this way, it involves me talking to the TV and Radio lol.Not only that but text and other random sounds. I wont go into it as it’s not realy on topic (i dont think).

    I have had one experience that might be on topic though. It happened at the same time as all the other stuff was, so i didnt pay it that much attention when it happened as it kind of paled in comparison. My Grandad and me had never got on so much as the time i was going through that stuff, it was like he knew but we never talked about it but we would laugh at the same things that was happening on TV and stuff.

    I had never told my Granddad i love him and this one particular night i decided to text him a message telling him so. I sent “I love you” in a text message, the exact moment i sent this text i also got a text on my phone which read “I love you” from his phone number. Now my Granddad loved his mobile phones but didnt have a clue how to text and never had or ever did text anyone, ever.

    I remember checking i sent to his number and i did. Also if a message failed to send back then it would state so and it would take at least a minute or 2 to tell you so. The message was sent though and i like simultaneously received the same message back.

    I have never spoke to him about this and i never can now as he’s passed but what if he was me on the same timeline but older? I dont know but i know i cant explain how i got this message any other way.

    Booked marked this site and look forward to ready more people input on this subject, thanks for reading and may the truth be outed!

    1. A similar thing happened to me on 1st august ’13 at 7:01 pm,i had dialled my friend but the ring ended unanswered,within 2 or 3 seconds i received a message from him,’I am unable to answer the call right now,will call you later’.Obviously a template but neither mine nor his phone had this particular one,and in any case he didn’t send the message infact he did not even see the missed call till hours later.Maybe a glitch at the phone company’s end.

  52. I fully admit to being drunk and that being the probable reason for my experience, however one night whilst scanning through Netflix I put on a Bill Hicks show that I’d seen before, ‘Revelations’ and the material on it differed a great deal from the stuff that I knew from previous watches. I think it was more up-to-date and mentioned things like the second Gulf War, 9/11 and the Patriot Act. As I said, I put it down to being drunk, passed out and woke up with no memory of any of the content, just that I had found it strange at the time before passing it off as my stupid brain being tricked or remembering wrong. This website has made me consider that I could have been suffering from the same thing though I feel its quite unlikely. Nobody else seems to have had that specific ‘memory’ and we can probably pass it off as a drunken brain doing overtime if nobody else backs it up.

    1. It is possible it was real. But then again, it’s very hard to find people with matching memories in such cases.
      Humans often has very different interests, and you’d have to find someone interested in Bill Hicks and experiencing the Mandela Effect. For all we know, we’re tens of thousand, but there are billions of humans who experience nothing.

      You may have been the first.

  53. I remember 911 attacks happened in 2002 not in 2001. At the time I was in 5th grade studying at a different school, so I crearly remember that I arrived home from my new school and watched the plane crashing the World Trade Center on TV. We were even discussing it in the class in the next day with my 5th grade history teacher.
    So, few years later when I discovered that 911 happened in 2001 I was completely in shock, because I have very vivid memories that it happened in 2002.
    I also have very vivid memories of some famous people dying who are apparently alive now like Billy Graham and other celebrities from my native country. I have also memories of some product brands that changed, like for example NUTELLA, that I crearly remember that It was named NUTRELLA. I’ve searched on the internet and the brand never changed.

    I don’t know if it could an experience with parallel universes…All is very weird but I am fascinated by it.

    1. I vividly remember the 9/11 attacks happening in 2002, not 2001. I was in my third grade classroom, which i had never been to in 2001, when the news broke. I remember my third grade teacher composing herself after hearing about it. There is no way it happened in 2001 for me.

  54. Relatively minor, but I could swear I rode Disney’s Expedition Everest ride years before it was built, when I was little; I remember everything, from the ‘broken track’ to the roaring animatronic yeti; you can imagine my surprise, then, when they announced the ride in 05 or 06.

  55. Art Garfunkel dying vs. living through his testicular cancer.

    My da, my best friend, and I ALL remember him dying and there was a huge concert in central park headlined by Sheryl Crow in memorium with all proceeds going to Testicular cancer research. As in, we can all remember PRECISELY where we were when ti was announced. Several years later, he was in the news and when we looked on wiki, he’d BEATEN testicular cancer and headlined his own charity show in Central park. He then went on tour afterward…

    Recently my da and I had another slip (from where the Brewers baseball team ethnic sausage mascots didn’t exist to one where we apparently had family jokes about them) and the same night there was an internet hoax about whether Art Garfunkel was alive or dead.

    My da calls them them “dry erase lines” — like the lines around old writing on a dry erase board later written over with new markers that some people notice and some people don’t.

    1. What’s interesting about all of this is that Art Bell himself commented on this *himself* on his show back when Mandela was “still alive”, telling the audience he was surprised to hear this, that he swore that he recalled hearing that Mandela had died in prison.

    2. A Palimpsest.

      Fringe in Season 4 played with a similar concept. Things from another universe/timeline leaking in.

  56. This reminds me of a book that i very distinctly remember checking out at the library when i was in 7th or 8th grade, right after finals (we had to go to another town to take the tests because i was homeschooled)
    I was in a library, and I had to get a new card, then I checked out two books. One of them I later found online– called Five Shades of Dumb– but the other, which I’m fairly sure was called The Canterbury Lense- is absolutely nowhere to be found.
    It was a bit of a creepy, surreal book, but despite several months of frantic searching once I realized the disconnect in my memories I’ve found absolutely nothing. I remember the plot, basic summary of characters, various details, etc. But nothing.

    1. Ende, When you’re absolutely certain that no such book exists,what is imperative is, that you write the book,you’ve got title and plot besides this whole site to glean actual data of alternate realities.You can get it published as fiction,but this fiction will be truer than any factual documentry ever written.

      1. I remember about the sex and the city one I remember for years knowing the show as sex in the city I thought maybe since “and” and “in” sounding close that my mind might have tricked me but I don’t think so it feels too strongly as the truth anyone else remember that?

    2. Ende, I wrote a short story called The Canterbury Lens when I was in fourth grade for a school assignment . It was about traveling between universes. I was really proud of it until my teacher gave it a D- and said it was the stupidest story she had ever read. I ended up throwing it out because I was so ashamed but all these years i’ve wanted to rewrite it as a full novel. Maybe you got a hold of a copy of my future publication on accident! 😀

    3. Did you read Marbury Lens? What you’re describing sounds just like Marbury Lens.

    4. I know that this comment was posted over a year ago and it’s ridiculous to reply now, but when I read your mention of “The Canterbury Lens” I immediately got chills. I, too, checked this book out at the library one summer ago. I read it and found it creepy and strange (if we read the same book, it was about a boy who is given a pair of purple glasses by a stranger in London and is transported to an alternate dimension – cue chills again – while wearing them). I was sure that if I googled the title I would find the novel, but nothing is there! I also looked up the book in my county’s library database and found nothing.

      I recently learned about the Mandela Effect through research on the Bernstein vs Bernstain debate (I remember the former) but am too young to have any association with most of the other memories. However with the mention of The Canterbury Lens I had an almost visceral reaction. I definitely read this book – I even remember the cover with its large purple glasses, and choosing to read it first of all the books I’d checked out because the others belonged to a series. It seems that both of us have shifted to a universe in which this book does not exist (which is, honestly, quite unsettling).

      1. Update: I read Thomas Keen’s comment about the book being called The Marbury Lens and now feel silly, because it definitely is the same cover and plot. However, there still could be a Mandela Effect related to the title, as The Canterbury Lens sounded absolutely right to me. But it could just be a mix up related to The Canterbury Tales, of course.

  57. Oh, and I forgot to mention the best part– the book was fiction, but it was about alternate realities.

    1. LOL, Ende. That’s awesome. Vivek – if Ende writes the book, might he not be guilty of plagiarizing an author from another reality? (I mean this tongue-in-cheek, sort of…)

      1. Julia, A thought experiment that i have devised is,if one gets a load of fake currency notes of say 10 $ denomination,which are so perfectly made that a cursory or keen observation authenticates as genuine,then that currency is more genuine than the genuine one because it will not cost more than 2/3 of face value.Having lived a long enough life i’ve learned that ‘ethics’ is the most abused word used by all including medical professionals,no wonder wolf larsen was shocked when humphry van weyden mentioned the word.

        1. Vivek, I’m trying to follow this. I can see the fake currency having more value (in terms of profit per produced currency note), but the “more genuine” concept eludes me. Help me to understand how this relates to the Mandela Effect.

          Also, I’m beginning to wonder if false (or at least conflicting) news stories are broadcast to reach just a portion of the population, for the confusion and chaos factors. While that concept takes this down a dark and perhaps paranoid path, if people could be convinced that — at least some of the time — what they believe is actually “wrong,” it’s easier to manipulate them. With the social proof of many others insisting the memory is false… well, this seems like a fine premise for a sci-fi novel. I’d rather not think it’s going on in real life, as an alternative explanation for the Mandela Effect.

          1. Hi fiona, The very eminent jack london told about the preferred word of his alter ego wolf larsen,in lieu of ‘ethics’ it is ‘expediency’.I hope you acknowledge that expediency is the mainstay of all endeavors including ‘mandela effect’.While ME is doing a nice job of collecting anecdotes,we can’t deny that expediency is the most intrinsic trait of all life,a pattern will sooner or later emerge to vindicate the mandela effect.

      2. My bad for getting back to this so late, I’d forgotten that I submitted this, ahah. I actually am an author, so the thought has crossed my mind a couple dozen times since my original realization. It’s just so bizarre how I can remember so many details about a book that supposedly doesn’t exist. I’ll keep searching, though, even if it’s just for the sake of my own peace of mind.
        But if it doesn’t turn up, who knows, maybe I really will write it and deeply apologize to the original author if I ever cross back into that time stream again (har har).

        Though it deals with some content that I’m not actually sure I’d be comfortable reproducing if the book really and truly does turn out to non exist. It was a disturbing little read, honestly. Which freaks me out all the more.

  58. I read the initial article and thought “Most of these have an explanation.” Like thinking that MLK was killed at close range with a handgun (RFK was killed shortly thereafter at close range with handgun, so it might be easy to conflate the two). In fact, with one exception, none of these glitches registered with me at all.

    The one that has me stunned is Louie Anderson. I CLEARLY remember his death. I cannot believe he’s alive.

    Perhaps the explanation is not parallel universes but rather that “life, the universe and everything” is a simulation. Whoever is running the simulation (aka G-d) can stop it, reset variables, and rerun it to better accomplish whatever goal is being attempted. And for some reason, some of us retain memories or vage impressions of earlier runs. Perhaps some of us are playing a massively complex,virtual reality game and are so lost in it we’ve forgotten who we really are. Or maybe that’s the point of the game, to become so immersed that it seems real. Or maybe glitches happen because the simulation /VR is buggy.

    There’s a whole Subreddit dedicated to this stuff (glitches in the matrix). Also, for a literary take on it, try “Replay” by Ken Grimwood or “Ash: A Secret History” by Mary Gentle. Or even “11/22/63” by Stephen King if you have a while. Filmwise, I suggest “The Butterfly Effect” or “Source Code.”

    BTW, I didn’t have time to read thos whole thread, so if I’ve repeated what others have already said, my apologies.

    1. I know that “the universe is a simulation” is one of the kookier hypothesis, but it’s one I’m leaning towards more and more. There are only a few different situations that I feel can explain the Mandela Effect, and I’ve considered them all, but there’s no way to prove or disprove them.

      One is that the universe is a simulation and these are some godly forms of glitches or alterations that programmers have made. We could also assume that the simulation has multiple layers, or multiverses, within it that are similar; like extremely complex game servers that we can shift between (whether it’s a “glitch”, a decision of our “higher consciousness”/the us playing the game, or a decision from “programmers”, etc. etc. etc.). We can’t know.

      Another is that there are infinite or nearly infinite multiverses that we shift between unwittingly. We may do this often and never notice because the changes are much more miniscule than these semi-major memories (a crack in the sidewalk disappears, a man from the 1700’s didn’t trim his moustache one week, a bottom feeding fish has a grey dot on its fin instead of a black dot, so on, so on). Or, we could be stuck firmly to the universe/timeline we belong to, and shifts are extremely rare. There are a number of paths I can take with this, but I don’t want to write an essay-length post.

      The last idea I can think of is that this is some sort of government conspiracy. I originally thought it would be used to sway public opinion (convincing people that the Chinese military had run down an unarmed citizen with a tank would be a pretty efficient propaganda tool), but so many of these things are insignificant. Why would a government body care and what would they gain if some people remembered a show as TAPS rather than Ghost Hunters? Then I saw Fiona’s post suggesting that it could be because injecting false memories into a portion of a population would make people doubt themselves and thus be easier to control. This still sounds really wonky to me, because I’m sure there are plenty of people out there who are completely unaware that they have false memories. I was unaware for god knows how long until I came across a link to this on sixpenceee’s blog. Wouldn’t that be a huge waste of effort? And this doesn’t make me doubt myself so much as question my beliefs. It definitely brings on an existential crisis, but nothing that makes me more susceptible to manipulation, at least not that I’m aware of (OOOOO! *wiggles fingers*). Maybe it’s some sort of massive psychological study? This is the idea that I find the easiest to accept, and yet the least believable.

      Anyway, I have no clue.

  59. There’s been several people whom both my wife and I remembered deaths having been reported, showing up alive years later. Kurt Vonnegut, Loretta Lynn, Roy Clark (country musician) come to mind.

  60. does anybody remember doris day’s son terry melcher dead way before 2004? Terrence P. “Terry” Melcher (February 8, 1942 – November 19, 2004)

    1. When I saw this post I googled doris days son, because I was curious what he looked like.The reason being that when I was a kid I loved everything about her. I watched her life story and was surprised to find out that she had a black child. The story goes that her husband left her because he thought she cheated, but it turned out that she was carrying black jeans and passed them on to her child. Anyways turns out her son is white, I looked all over and everything on the internet says she only had one kid. Has anyone else heard of this? Was it a rumor? It seems unlikely that it wouldn’t have been cleared up by then because it was the 90’s when I watched her life story.

      1. Hannah, it’s funny, I remember hearing that exact story (from my mother, who tends to be a prude and doesn’t generally repeat things like that) in about 1981, give or take a year. Only I’m positive it was about Dinah Shore, not Doris Day. But the only reference I can find (in my admittedly brief google search) is that Dinah Shore *adopted* her only son. Photos of him certainly make it look as if he passes for white, if indeed rumors of black genes are true. I have no idea where the story originated, though my mother watched a lot of daytime tv talk shows and read Family Circle and Reader’s Digest regularly, so it might have been from something like that.

        Other anomalous (or normal for this timeline?) memories I have are that it was ALWAYS spelled Berenstain–I remember vividly because I’ve always noticed irregular spellings of names and it was definitely not spelled the way you’d expect–various celebrities being dead and memorialized although they really died much later on (including Mandela–though I have no memory of funeral coverage, I do remember riots and such being attributed to the fact that he had died in prison,) and I have a vague memory of the space shuttle disaster happening when I was still in high school (I graduated in 1985.) Other things I’ve been reading here have triggered similar memories too, but I should have written them down, because I can’t get to those files in my head now.

  61. Today my friends told me about this ‘Mandela Effect’. I was intrigued, but also kinda scared. This afternoon I’ve had some strange experiences. When I was coming home from school I noticed that the trash truck was coming by. I thought this was weird because I distinctly remember it coming last Saturday. I asked my mom and she looked at me strangely and said that it hadn’t, and that it always came on Mondays, like today. Later I asked her to make me a smoothie, and she did. I noticed though that she was putting lemonade as the liquid in it. I always remember her using milk, and my little sister also said she remembered this also. My mother looked at us strangely.

    I decided to look into this effect more, and stumbled upon this website. I don’t know if I’m just making myself paranoid, but I still found my personnel events very strange and confusing.

  62. The first time I noticed this Effect was back in the 1950s, when my best friend came to high school and told us that it was announced on TV that the then-famous Mousketeer, Annette Funicello, had been killed in an accident. We were all shocked, but there was no follow-up news. He maintained all his life that he had seen that report on TV.

    Enough other such incidents happened to me and others that they were included in my (mostly) fictional e-novel, VALLEY OF THE SHAMAN, for (Kindle) and Barnes & Noble (Nook).

    These incidents are real, and can be upsetting. My novel gives my explanation.

  63. I remember the Anne Rice novel titled Interview With A Vampire, swore that was the title and the movie too. Was shocked that the title is Interview With THE Vampire. Movie and book.

    1. CeeCee – Okay, now that is weird. I have always thought it was “Interview with a Vampire.” I’ve never read that books because I’ve never been interested in vampires, but I worked in a bookstore from 1986 to 1988 and it was still a big seller, 10 years after it came out. (I didn’t realize it had come out in 1976 – I thought it was later, but that’s what I’m finding online.)

      Here’s something even weirder: Although Wikipedia and IMDB and other sites say, “Interview with THE Vampire” I just found an Anne Rice interview where she herself says this:

      Rice: I think it was always there. Take my first novel, Interview with a Vampire. The vampire goes through the whole novel asking, “Does anyone have any knowledge of God or the devil? Does anyone have any real knowledge? Are we children of God? Are we children of Satan?” This soul is just searching. Well, that was me. That was Anne just asking the same questions. It’s in a strange context, but it was definitely there.

      She was being interviewed by Christian Broadcasting Network because she has written some books about Jesus as well as a book called, “Called Out of Darkness, A Spiritual Confession.” So I thought maybe CBN just got it wrong in the text but I just listened to the first few minutes of the “Extended Anne Rice Interview” and just a few minutes in she herself says, “Interview with A Vampire.”

      So why is everything now listed as it being “Interview with THE vampire”? I hope you do a google check for the video and I hope you here what I just heard or I’ll be even more confused! LOL

  64. Most of the google links mention ‘a’ and has answers that mention ‘a’.Seems this one is a case of phonetics rather than anomaly,unless of course there is a diabolical agency at work.

    1. Hmm… I’m with Julia on this one. For authors, there’s a big difference between “a” (meaning one of many) and “the” (meaning a specific one). So, it’s unlikely Rice would get the title wrong in her interview. Also, I don’t think Anne Rice’s publicist would have let that slip by — at least at CBN — without correction.

      On the other hand, if Rice or her publisher changed the title after the book gained traction, that might be a reasonable explanation for an actual, non-anomalous change or error.

      1. When I listened to the interview a second time, I heard her Anne Rice say “the” instead of “uh” for “a.” But the text still reads “A.” So I don’t know. I’m doubting myself a little but I still remember it as “Interview with A Vampire.”

        Fiona is correct in that writers are very careful with their words. “A” and “The” have very different connotations. I’m not a writer – at least never published – but I was an English major and I’m careful about using just the word I want, except that I’m prone to making typos and weird errors – I think I have something like dyslexia sometimes.

        I don’t know if it’s significant but when I did a google search for “Interview with a Vampire” there were 64 million results and “only” 48 million when I entered “Interview with the Vampire” which to me says that more people remember it having an “a” than a “the” in the title. I also wondered if the titles of the book and movie could have been changed after their publications but that seems odd. And I can’t find a image of a book with “a” in the title.

        Just another thing to ponder!

        1. P.S. This kind of reminds me of the Mystery Science Theater 2000/3000 anomaly. I saw the show exactly once, while on a vacation, and it was very memorable because my friend and I were just slightly tipsy and laughed uproariously and I would swear to my dying day that the show was called Mystery Science Theater 2000.

          1. The Mystery Science Theater one is weird for me, too. This was popular when I was growing up, and I though the changing numbers was an in-joke — like one season it would be 2000, the next it would be 3000. Hard to believe it’s always been “3000.”

  65. Didnt tattoo Hervé Villechaize on fantasy island commit suicide by hanging? it now says he shot himself

  66. I am freakin tripping right now. I was watching this short video on youtube on parallel universes titled ‘Parallel Universes: Kirk Douglas back from the dead?’ – It listed 3 celebrities that basically died in the 90’s Kirk Douglas, Doris Day and Richard Chamberlain. The only one i really had memory of dieing in the 90’s was Chamberlain. I was a big fan of the TV show Dynasty, in which he played. It was a big thing cause he died of aids and i remember one of the actresses ‘Linda’ something that had love scenes with him…and it was a real big thing back then…finding out your onair romance was gay and died of aids. I didnt really remember the others dieing. Anyways, i decided to google richard chamberlain and it says, he is alive and he is 80 years old… how freaky is that?

    1. Carli,

      Interesting. My mind is whirling now. As I recall, the big issue was Rock Hudson — one of the first celebrities to bring AIDS awareness to the forefront — who’d been in at least one romantic scenes with Linda Evans on Dynasty. (Ref. ) That was in the 1980s on my own timeline (and apparently in that article, too).

      However, if there’s a parallel universe where Richard Chamberlain had a lot of the acting roles given to Rock Hudson… how very interesting! (And kind of eerie since Linda Evans said she dated Chamberlain, who — in my universe — was also gay. Always.)

      Frankly, I’m thinking of some old Rock Hudson movies with Doris Day, and they might have been far funnier if Richard Chamberlain had been cast in several of those roles. His humor was always more subtle. I like to think that — in another timestream — other people watched those movies and roared with laughter at Chamberlain’s deadpan reaction to ridiculous moments.

      This morning, the “fact” that baffled me is that James Franciscus ( ) was not Richard Chamberlain’s brother in this timestream. I clearly recall them admitting to being brothers, and even seeing family photos with their parents and other relatives.

      In this research, I keep running into small double-takes when almost everything matches my memories… and then something doesn’t fit at all. It’s not a “misremembered” kind of thing, because it’s not a simple, single memory. They’re a collection of memories (like lots of tabloid articles about James Franciscus & Richard Chamberlain finally admitting they were brothers, though I can’t recall which one changed his surname to be different) that went on for years.

      Interesting stuff!

      Cheerfully, Fiona

      1. Hi Carli and Fiona,

        Carli – I’m glad someone else remembers the death of Richard Chamberlain. I mentioned on this website on my December 19th post that that was one of my clearer alternate memories. I remember watching the news on tv with my mom in the room (at my parents’ house) and specifically thinking how I hadn’t paid a lot of attention to Richard Chamberlain in his life but that I really ought to rent “The Thornbirds.” My mom doesn’t have any memory of seeing the broadcast.

        But there is something else strange about this. Other people remember him dying in the 90’s. I do remember him looking a lot younger, but I feel like this could have happened just a couple of years ago. I have lived 2 miles from my parents for the last 15 years (so since 1999 ) and I am at their house quite frequently, and this is NOT a distant memory but of course now, I can’t place in in time other than to say it doesn’t feel like the 90’s at all.

        When I experience an event like this that evidently didn’t happen in this timestream, it feels SO normal, so seemless and totally integrated into my day and life at the time. If I heard something on the news this morning about a famous person dying, I would be able to tell you the specifics this evening or tomorrow, I THINK, but later on, I can’t necessarily place it in time. (Sometimes I can and sometimes I can’t.)

        Another odd thing that happened either earlier this year or last year happened after the death of Huell Howser. He died on January 7, 2013. I don’t know how well he is know outside California but he was a long time staple on public television. He had a show called “California’s Gold” where he traveled all around California and visited different sites, often places that weren’t well known, and talked about their significance – always VERY ENTHUSIASTICALLY. He was quite a character. Anyway, sometime after he died, I was watching television, again with my mother in their family room, and saw a show about his sister, a woman with gray hair. She was quite outgoing too and the show said she was going to take over in a way and start a show called “California’s Silver.” I thought it was sweet and clever. My mom doesn’t remember this. A friend who is a huge Huell Howser fan has no memory of this and there is absolutely nothing on-line that suggests that this was ever a plan. I did, however, find evidence that Huell was survived by a sister, but nothing more about her. So weird.

        In our daily lives, are we just seamlessly popping in and out of different realities, sometimes with our friends and relatives, sometimes without?

        1. I have a vague memory of this. I’m not from Cali and I have no clue who Huell Howser is, but I have a really vague memory of flipping through the channels and stopping on a show called California Silver. I didn’t really pay attention to it and kept scanning the channels for something to watch. But I distinctly remember an older lady, grey/silver hair. The only scene I remember was her wearing a pink t-shirt and jeans and talking lively about whatever. I haven’t seen it since but then again I wasn’t looking for it either.

      2. In addition to my other comments on Richard Chamberlain – I had never heard of James Franciscus, but they certainly resemble each other. In their bios, they’re listed as being born in different parts of the country to different parents, of course, since they evidently never admitted to being brothers in our timestream. But I wonder if they could actually NOT be brothers in some realities and be brothers in both, or were they lying in (at least) one and not lying in (at least) another?

    2. I remember being kind of surprised that Doris Day is alive, but it’s not because of having a memory of her dying. I don’t. But I think a lot of people assume she’s dead since many other actors and actresses from the era when she was active in Hollywood are dead, and because she lives a very private life nowadays out of the public eye.

  67. I just remembered a small moment in “WTF is happening with time.”

    I remember in either 2rd or 3th grade, a girl in my class was reading a book called Gingersnaps by Cathy Cassidy. I was interested in it and couldn’t find it in the library. When I asked her if I could just read the back cover, she acted really strange, like if I touched the book I would break space and time. She ended up leaving the book on her desk when she went to the bathroom and I grabbed it and read the back. When I got home I couldn’t find anything on it at all online.

    Fast forward to now, many years later, and I remember the book. I decided to google it. Of course I found the movie Ginger Snaps which has absolutely NOTHING to do with the book. However, I did find the book and I was shocked to learn that the book was published in 2008, a few years after I remember first seeing the book.

    I know it’s small but it really made me go WTF. Somehow the girl in my class got a hold of a book that wouldn’t be published for another 4 or 5 years. She said her dad was a truck driver. Interdimensional truck driver maybe?

    1. Have you ever tried contacting this girl via social media to see if she remembers any of it?

  68. I know what is happening here. were all dead. On our original reality computers were giant machines you saw only on television shows with flashing lights blinking and took the whole side wall of a building no one could have a computer in their own home. We all died in the 1990’s and we moved into this reality where everyone now has a cell phone. something we seen in get smart with maxwell smart. were dead and in Hell.

    1. Hi John – I think you’re only half serious, right? Or maybe completely tongue-in-cheek.

      At any rate, I don’t believe this is hell. There are aspects of existence that are hellish – in everyone’s life and worse for some people and other societies than others. But I don’t think “hell” would include the good things we enjoy – love, beauty, pleasure, friendship and most of all, hope. Yeah, sometimes are hopes are dashed, only to come back if we are lucky and/or resilient. I don’t understand this mystery at all but ever since I’ve been a small child, even though prone to some anxiety as a child and depression as an adult, I’ve always had hope and this sense of optimism that good and love will win out. As long as I have that, I’m not in hell.

      I’ve been reading one of Cynthia Sue Larson’s books. (She also has videos on youtube.) She is a quantum physicist and very interested in this alternate reality phenomenon but takes an optimistic spin on it. In her view, we are actually creating a lot of reality with our minds and have more free will and ability to change reality than we think we do.

  69. I looked up barbara streisand online and come to find its spelled barbra was it always spelled liked this or is this another mandela moment?

    1. For me it has always been spelled Barbra. My mom first had her albums when I was 7 or 8. Later I thought it was funny since her named contained the word “bra.”

      1. Julie, I grew up in that same timeline. One of Streisand’s first shows (and an album, too… I think) was “My Name Is Barbra.” Weird spelling. That’s why I remember it.

        However, I’ve met lots of people who are 100% certain the name used to be Barbara, and I believe them. Some are hard-core Streisand fans. They’re not likely to be wrong about anything related to Streisand.

        Cheerfully, Fiona

        1. Your Streisand fan friends aren’t actually wrong; within the confines of this timestream at least. Barbra Streisand was born Barbara. According to her wikipedia page, she changed it around 18 to make it more unique and memorable, as well as to rebel against her producers who wanted her to change the spelling of her last name.

          I don’t know if this explains any of your memories and for all I know, there’s a reality where she didn’t change her name. I certainly thought she spelled it Barbara until it was mentioned here, which is why I googled it in the first place. But I’m fairly young and never see her name written often enough to place it in my memory.

          1. Cecil, like you I’m quite young but I have a very early memory of her name being spelled “Barbara.” It must have been in the 90s. I was very little and I believe it was the first time I was learning the name “Barbara” so this sticks out to me. Guess I’m from the “Barbara” timeline 🙂

  70. About 20 yrs ago i read a 1968 novel(i had 1970 edition)”foreign exchange” by jimmy sangster.There is a night club singer Anne Ballard,what i remember reading is that a negative comparision is made with Meryl Streep and Barbara Streisand.I still have the book but now it says,Marilyn Monroe and Barbra Streisand.According to my memory Meryl Streep should have made her debut in ’61 instead of ’71 as the current timeline says,and Barbara instead of Barbra.

  71. I’ve just discovered about the mandela effect, and I’m genuinely creeped out. Usually, I don’t believe in this kind of stuff but this is different. I know that this is real because there’s proof.
    I’m not as old as most of you are, I’m only 18, so I don’t remember most of the things you all do. However, I do remember Shirley Temple dying long before earlier this year. I actually had a VHS tape when I was around 6-7, and it said that she died of cancer or something in the 80s/90s. I really liked her and she was a true idol to me, so when I saw that, I cried and was very sad for a few days afterward. I only discovered that Shirley Temple was indeed alive a couple months before she actually did.
    I discussed this with my mother earlier and she agreed; she also vaguely remembers it saying that she died.
    So, now, I’m wondering if all the thing’s I’ve learned is even true. I’m sure there has been more experiences like this before, but they aren’t as important. I think that once, I saw a movie before it was out about a year later. Not sure what movie it was, it was a while ago.

  72. I don’t know if this would count as part of the Mandela Effect but is something that has baffled me since it happened. In 1997 I was going to start high school in the fall and usually the 8th graders took a walking field trip to check out the high school, this was in March right before spring break. The high school is right by a main street where there are billboards and I clearly remember there being one for the movie Titanic. The release date for is was March 18.

    I used to be a Titanic buff around that time, and I thought it was really cool that there was a movie about it, I hadn’t even heard that one was being made. So anyway, my friends and I actually made plans to see it during the break, but for some reason we never actually went to see the movie and I never asked if they went to see it on their own.

    So about a month after I start high school, I see that billboard again, only this time there was a December date on it. I thought it was really weird so I mention it to my friends that it’s strange it would be re released in theaters. They gave me this weird look, like what was I talking about and they were very adamant that the movie had never been in theaters.

    Also, something happened recently which has left me rather confused. Just a few days ago I saw an ad on tv that the Harry Potter Wizarding World was opening this year. In my mind it has been opened for two years in the Los Angeles location (but that one isn’t due to open until 2016! WHAT?) But I have vivid memories of it opening here in Los Angeles in 2012 and being surprised at how fast the construction was from when they first announced the park plans. I also have memories of friends posting pictures of them with a visible Hogwarts Castle in the background and them wearing a sorting hat and carrying a wand. Including, one friend posting on facebook that she was coming in from Arizona. Of course now when I search for them, there’s nothing of the sort of their timeline. I also remember the local news covering opening day.

    The only thing I can think of is, if there is a ride or an attraction related to Harry Potter apart from the Wizarding World that I’m mixing up. But I’ve tried to search and nothing comes up. And I haven’t been to Universal Studios in years, but I’m now tempted to go just to check that out.

    1. I do know that The Wizarding World of Harry Potter has been open at the Orlando Universal Studios since at least 2011. I was there with the family that year and it was all the kids wanted to do. They all bought wands, drank butter beer, and I rode the upside down dragon themed roller coaster with my nephew.

      1. Veronica and NotElvis,

        The Orlando (FL, USA) “Wizarding World of Harry Potter” opened at Universal in 2010. Some people confuse that formal opening with later annual Harry Potter events at that theme park — usually around January or February — because some of the stars are there each year, pose for photos, sign autographs, etc., and it’s a big, wonderful celebration.

        Universal’s Los Angeles counterpart of the Orlando attractions was announced in 2012 but Universal didn’t begin construction right away, and that area won’t open until Spring 2016 (with a possible “soft launch” late in 2015 or early 2016).

        As far as I know — and this is confirmed by an “insider” source — no other theme park had the rights to Harry Potter properties before Universal acquired them.

        The only exception might be a similar attraction somewhere in Asia, where intellectual property rights aren’t treated the same as they are in the United States. However, my insider source doesn’t recall any negotiations that were necessary to deal with anything like that, back when Universal acquired theme park rights.

        So, unless Veronica had a rather bizarre mix-up of memories, she’s describing something consistent with the Mandela Effect.


  73. It’s even possible that many of the responses to this site have actually arrived at some other reality and got posted there.

  74. How can we test this effect if its based on human memory and not actual physical changes to existence?

  75. Not all aspects of ME deal with celebrities alive again,if i understand human nature T Mel means what profit or what theological correction can we accrue from this phenomena.As i have often stated that such anomalies occur in an extempore manner,still,the attitude rather than intent does repeatedly manifest miracles belonging to ME,like say you have drawn 400 dollars from the 500 dollars you had and you go for that last 100 dollars only to find that you still have 300 dollars left in your account,definitely not in the realms of memory alone but more in the multicultural realms of providence, and in our select realm of ME enthusiasts.

  76. I specifically remember the remake of the movie Carrie coming out prior to 2013. I had never seen the original, and my boyfriend wanted to watch both of them and compare (he’s a big horror movie buff). We decided to watch the remake first, and he got mad at me cause I kept saying what was gonna happen every two minutes before it happened, and how I would rather watch the original cause I haven’t seen that one yet and the remake I’d watched when it first came out 2 years before. He then told me the remake had only been out for a few months. But I remembered every single scene, every single character and actor, and even weird foreshadowing details that you only really catch the second time you watch a movie.

  77. So there are a ton of comments in this thread and I did not read them all, soI apologize if this one is already mentioned. In 2011 a band called FUN released a song called “We Are Young”.

    Sometime soon after, I was in the car with my family (2 daughters and husband), when this song came on. I had never heard this version before but I could have sworn that this was a remake of a pretty popular song from the mid to late 80’s. The chorus especially sounded familiar. My husband had no memory of it.

    After arriving home, I googled for at least an hour, vainly trying to find the original, to no avail. Does anyone else remember this song?

    On a separate note, I love what FUN did with it, it’s a great song. :p

    1. Julia, the only similar song I recall was “Love is a Battlefield,” by Pat Benatar. Lyrics include: “We are young, heartache to heartache we stand / No promises, no demands / Love is a battlefield / We are strong…”

      1. Oh yeah. I know “Love is a Battlefield”. Sang that with my girlfriends at a few sleepovers. 😀 I don’t think that’s it. I know I’ve heard “We are Young” before. Probably around the time of “Love is a Battlefield” was popular. These are very frustrating! :/

        1. I always thought it totally ripped off Thompson Twins “Hold Me Now” maybe that? Like Hendrix Little Wing and pearl jam’s Yellow Ledbetter

        2. Julia R., I’ve had the same experience with this song. I remember it very clearly, I was at work and We Are Young came on the radio station we had playing. The store I work at is so tiny that only one person works at a time, but the song happened to come on while the other associate and I were switching shifts.
          When the song had been on for a minute I asked my coworker “Do you know who sings this song? I haven’t heard it for years but I’ve always loved it.” (When I said “always” I really meant always. It was a song I had liked since I was a kid, so I had first heard it in the 90s but it sounded to me like an 80s song.) She gave me a strange look and said that the song had just been released and she knew that for a fact because she loved Fun. I asked her if she knew any similar songs because I was sure that I had heard it before, but she wasn’t aware of any.
          This had happened to me a lot in high school and I kind of forgot about it until it happened to me this day at work. Every time it happened someone told me that I was wrong so I assumed it was just very similar sounding to another song. But who knows, maybe it was something more complex?

          1. My girlfriend and I also have the same experience with this song. I’ve been reading these comments for the last 3-4 hours. This is the first one that hit home with me. The lyrics “tonight, we are young” in the chorus were absolutely from a song i heard in the 90s as a child. I was so ABSOLUTELY sure, that they used the same chorus, i never bothered to look up the original. Now, I can’t find anything.

            1. Matt H., I’m pretty sure you’ve ruled out “Love is a Battlefield” by Pat Benatar (I think someone did a cover of it, too), but that’s the only song that comes to mind with similar-ish (not exactly) lyrics. I’ll ask my husband, also a music enthusiast, but he’s not such a lyric fanatic as I am.

  78. When Toy Story first came out in cinemas I was very young, maybe six years old. I distinctly remember Woody and Buzz climbing into ‘The Claw’, then the rocket actually taking off, or some sort of drama based around the possibility of the rocket taking off.

    Then I watched it on video for the first time, can’t have been longer than a year later, and I was shocked to find something completely different happening during that scene.

    Since then I’ve tried to understand why I had this memory. I can’t have fallen asleep and dreamt it because the memory is too vivid, I even remember seeing the seats in front of the screen. Considering I was so young too, why would I still remember this? Especially when there are probably other more important memories from the same age which i now have no recollection of.

  79. Fiona: I just discovered your website and look forward to reading it in depth. I skimmed through the comments, and I may be able to help with two of them. I think that the reason people think Ghost Hunters was called TAPS, is because their group is called The Atlantic Paranormal Society (TAPS). I haven’t watched it recently, but I know that the word TAPS was shown in the opening credits montage, so that might be the reason for the confusion. As far as the death of Terry Melcher being a long time ago, that may be because he owned the house where Sharon Tate lived when she and her friends were killed by members of the Manson family. His name comes up a lot in coverage about the event, so it’s possible if you were young when that happened, you might have thought he died too.

    I think I may have had some experiences which qualify for the Mandela Effect, so I’m interested in learning more!

    1. Sandy, thanks!

      If you go to my article about the TAPS/Ghost Hunters issue (at this website), you’ll see far more information there and in the comments that followed it.

      The Terry Melcher issue is fascinating. I didn’t know he owned the house where Sharon Tate and friends were so brutally murdered.



  80. I would like to say that I VERY CLEARLY remember “Berenstain Bears” being Berenstein Bears. I very specifically remember it being pronounced “STEIN” on the show.

    I also remember seeing clips and the famous sound bite “I’ve had it with these mother f**king snakes on this mother f**king plane” form the film “Snakes on a Plane (staring Samuel L. Jackson) about 3 or 4 years before it was released in theaters on a website called YTMND dot com (It is not impossible that the movie was filmed long before released but I personally feel this is a time line merging event for many reasons.)


  81. In the documentary about the 1969 Woodstock festival, they’re interviewing a girl (I think she was helping distribute food) and she says her mother was worried about her being there, worried “that it would be another Altamont.”

    Clearly a reference to the festival at the Altamont Speedway that turned violent thanks to some Hells Angels (check out the movie Gimme Shelter)

    Here’s the time glitch: Woodstock was in Aug 1969, Altamont was not until December 1969 -she was talking about something that hadn’t happened yet!

    I haven’t read all the comments, sorry if someone else already pointed this one out.

    1. I think this is a fantastic and significant find. Thanks so much for posting this. Do you have a time-stamp for the comment in the documentary? I’d like to view that part.

      I think this means that on this timeline, we have filmed proof that there was a woman in August 1969, who had memories of an event that didn’t happen until December 1969.

      It would be very interesting to ask her now, in 2014, if she remembers Altamont being before or after Woodstock.

  82. Kudos on such a fascinating website, Fiona!

    Thus far, several topics have struck chords of resonance with me, particularly the translocation of New Zealand in relation to Australia. From my long ago school days, I recall N.Z. being southwest of Australia, and for that matter, the Land Down Under being much farther south than being shown on current maps. It was a large land mass in the ocean with a discernible distance from any other islands or land. The islands shown north of it now were much, much farther north. While I may posit this discrepancy to the dual facts that I am neither a geography expert and school lessons with a globe occurred many decades ago, I can’t account for the more recent displacement of Sri Lanka.

    As recently as December 2005 (as my existing timeline goes) when the tsunami struck, killing a quarter million persons, the news coverage and maps of the time showed it located slightly southwest off the tip of India. The placement at that time correlated with my memory from much earlier years when Authur C. Clarke hosted a television show about mysterious phenomena. Since that topic always fascinated me and he wore a sarong on one episode, I looked up Sri Lanka to see where the country was that a man could freely and comfortably wear ‘a dress’. Now I find the former Ceylon has moved as well. It certainly puts a whole new meaning to the term ‘island hopping’ .

    As a paranormal investigator myself watching shows dealing with the subject was tantamount to doing homework, so I can unequivocally say when the show now known as Ghost Hunters first aired it was called T.A.P.S.

    While my children were small my mother & I purchased the entire Berenstein Bears library collection. At no time have I ever known them to be anything other than that, however I will confirm this for my own peace of mind by digging them out of storage.

    However, I do not share in some of the most frequently mentioned time slips your other readers have contributed. Nelson Mandela, Richard Chamberlain, David Soul, the Chinese ‘tank boy’ are all alive and well, as is the Rev. Billy Graham (who lives in a state adjacent to mine), although he was hospitalized just recently for pneumonia. His medical condition was given local news coverage for several days.

    I’ve read the numerous theories suggested that might account for these anomalous incidents, and while I can’t subscribe to some, neither can I discount any. I strive to keep an open mind. As I was reading the comments and considering my contribution, I was struck by this thought. While there seems to be no concrete method to test this phenomenon since each incident is subjective to an individual perspective, have you ever considered taking a sampling from your most frequent readers and comparing their experiences? Do those that share similiar timeline memories have other shared experiences? I’ve seen a few mentions of near death experiences which leads me to be curious as to whether there may be other correlations. Do the ones who share similiar memories have more than one or two memories in common? Is there a any similarity in the time frames when these phenomena occurred? If so, pinpointing a time could be the first tiny step toward discovering much larger answers. Looking at the when, where, and what may lead to uncovering the why.

    I apologize for being so verbose on an initial post, but having found your site via a source link on another, and after reading, I simply was compelled to comment & contribute my meager little bit. I will bookmark this as it is not only an interesting topic, but I feel it will prove to be an invaluable resource in my paranormal research. Keep up the excellent work and moderating!

    1. LadyJEMS – First I have to say I like your handle – JEM are actually my initials. Anyway, I like the idea of a sampling of frequent readers – not sure how big a sampling. It could be quite complex or somewhat simple, but it depends on Fiona’s time and inclination in this area. I would think maybe 10 – 15 of the most frequent incidents that are remembered alternately could be included, with the current info being listed, and then the question – do you have a different memory of this event – Yes or No – and then possibly space for listing the alternate memory. Also, she could ask age, place of birth, gender and current residence. I’m definitely participate if you ever want to do this Fiona.

      LadyJEMS – of all the alternate memories, the locations of Australia and New Zealand are the strangest to me for some reason. (Not that someone dying twice isn’t strange. ) 🙂 Anyway, I have read several boards where people talk about Australia and NZ and it seems most people remember NZ to the northeast. But I’m with you in remembering it to the west, and possibly south. I don’t count myself an expert on geography in any sense of the word, so I don’t trust myself in this. However, there are two weird things that happened in relation to this. I have owned a globe for about 15 years. At sometime in the past, I was looking up Australia and NZ and realized that I rarely give NZ much thought. When I would think about it, it would seem rather “exotic” to me, even though I know English is spoken there. However, I reasoned to myself that it must seem “exotic” because it is FURTHER away from my home in California. I thought “Australia is way southwest – being in the southern hemisphere, across the Pacific, but NZ is even farther west – maybe that’s why I don’t think of it as often, besides it being smaller.” Anyway, I often remember words/thoughts more than straight facts if that makes sense, and that was my impression. Then one evening before this past December, when I discovered this site, I happen to look at that part of the globe and just got the chills because it looked wrong to me – and I especially didn’t remember NZ being where it was. Soon after I heard about the Mandela effect and that others had a number of similar alternate memories. If I remember right, Fiona also remembers NZ being to the west of Australia. (I like many others also didn’t remember Australia being anywhere near that close to Indonesia. I thought it was called “down under” for its remoteness. So very strange…

  83. Some times i wonder whether the soda-pop-slop guzzling is more harmful or the proletarian intake of cheap corn whiskey in early 20th century America.What ever the reason Mandela Effect is catching on as a trendy new age mantra for instant salvation or rather overwriting a sordid past without going for penance.All the possibilites exist in this quantum carnival where, you live only twice, once a privilege for Ian Fleming’s james bond.

  84. This site is very interesting to say the least . back in 77/78 winter
    In upstate NY a friend and I rode snowmobiles to a area we hunted regular
    And ran in to a very old abandoned house no sorts window ext.
    We stopped machines went in the front and out the back there were
    Our machines we could see our footprints coming out the back no others
    Scared the bejesus out of and we split in the spring with two more buddy’s who hunts
    This area a lot as did we .we were going to show them the haunted house
    We all searched through the next six month until we graduated we never found that
    House again

    1. DS (YMP), That’s a great story! Definitely makes one wonder about the possible explanations, since there aren’t any “normal” ones.

  85. James Earl Jones died in 2003/2004. Yet, he is alive and well to this day. I remember wondering what CNN would do without his signature voiceovers.

    1. I also remember James Earl Jones dying in the early 2000s. We read Roots when I was in High School, and I remember them rebroadcasting the mini series as part of commemoration of his body of work. I remember because it was the first time I watched the whole series, and I watched it at my now ex in-laws house.

      I just Googled him, and he is alive. He also looks younger and thinner than I remember him being when he “died” 10-ish years ago…

  86. It’s taken me all day but I finally have reached the bottom. I have a couple of things I want to add. One, I distinctly remember Mandela dying in prison in the late 1980’s and the riots that ensued. I remember the tank person in Tienanmen Square being refereed to as a student. I didn’t specifically watch the video, everyone said it was too disgusting and gruesome. I believed them, so I don’t have detailed memories on that. I do remember people saying the Chinese Government were monsters to run one of their people over with a tank and the shooting was a disgusting act, all because they wanted freedom.

    When I heard of Mandela’s passing last year the wife and I were both puzzled as we both remember him dying in prison in the 80’s (we don’t remember specific year, just late 80’s).

    I specifically remember Berenstein Bears, not Berenstain Bears. My wife didn’t remember, but I did, I liked them a lot.

    Before I had heard of the Mandela Effect, I wrote these off as memory mismanagement. I really can see the superimposing of stein over stain, I was probably 4,5,6 or so when I was reading those books so it wasn’t something I was worried about.

    Like many my first thoughts were Google and getting the old books out. But, as I was searching, I realized that if this reality always had it as stain, it was a futile effort because it always was this way in this time line that I am currently in.

    I had also thought about time travel and the butterfly affect or chaos affect, but rationalized that my memory can only contain the memories of the time line I have been in, unless I was the one that did the time traveling. Basically its the old, well if someone did time travel, then it happened, it cannot alter history, because it did and will happen.

    My wife doesn’t like it when I think of things differently then others, unless I come to the conclusion that I was wrong and that normal things are normal. I do have a very open mind and am open to many of the “crazy” ideas. Such as alternative universes, parallel universes where every possible scenario happens, including us not existing, or in one I decide to shave or not vs another day. The God scenario, Gods Scenario, Programmers, Holodeck (thanks Star Trek :P), this being a 4D social experiment, etc, etc.

    I want to thank you Fiona for putting this here for me and others to come across, it really does make me feel better about myself.

    Oh, about Australia, I had always been under the impression that it was way off by itself with a small island of Tasmania close by. I don’t have any distinct memories of New Zealand being somewhere different, I am surprised at how large it is though.

    I think that’s about it. I hope you have a great day!

  87. Fiona, have you ever heard of the intrigue surrounding the dialog,

    “But what does it do?”

    “That’s the beauty of it – it doesn’t -do- anything!”

    Lots of people claim to remember this dialog, but nobody has ever identified where it came from. Since the idea of it became popular online a decade ago, I’m sure it’s worked its way into something somewhere, but people were searching for the origin of this dialog before it was ever in anything, as far as anyone can tell.

    Lots of people identify it as being from Prof. Farnsworth from Futurama, that’s where I thought I’d ‘heard’ it when I was first exposed to the mystery.

    1. Vanished Film,
      I came across your comment and I cannot believe that this has come up. My sister and I used to quote this very often, although we would only quote “it doesn’t -do- anything” rather than the entire quote. (But the rest of the quote sounds just as eerily familiar). For as long as we quoted it we had no clue where we picked it up from. We even discussed trying to find out what it was from multiple times. Suddenly we both just stopped using the quote, and it had managed to completely disappear from our minds until I read this. Something that is now sticking out to me is that I was able to know, and recognize the quote with the correct inflection. It’s odd considering how difficult it is to convey inflections over text. This is truly blowing my mind, as well as my sister’s. I hope we are able to find the origin someday.

      1. I’ll just echo that this line sounds very familiar to me, too. I can hear the delivery in my head.

    2. I know this thread is over a year old, but the line is definitely in the Phineas and Ferb episode, “Toy to the World”. The episode aired on February 22, 2008 in the US.

  88. I just skimmed an article about Dick Cavett talking about someone who died on one of his talk shows. Dick Cavett is evidently 77, but I really thought he had died several years ago. No specific memories though, so this may not be a “mandela effect” event.

  89. Fiona, thank you so much for having a safe place where people can come forward with their perceived memories. I say perceived because of course there will always be someone who says “it has always been this way”…or “you are remembering it wrong”…or my favorite “that is crazy”.

    What initially caught my attention was the Berenstein Bears…in my memory it has always been Stein. I have an excellent memory to the point I have accurately described events that occurred in our home that happened when I was a month old. My Mother was shocked at how accurate my description of the first day in our families first house was. I taught myself to read before I went to school, I remember and it is confirmed by my Mother that I read the instructions for making pancakes and I was only 4years old. I also taught myself Spanish, French and Japanese. By 5th grade I had read every book in my schools library, they even gave me an award and $50 which was alot of money back in 1980. My point is, my memory is flawless…it was always Berenstein and now it is Berenstain. My 20 year old daughter, who had ever Bear book was just as creeped out when I showed her this, she said “no Mom it was always Berenstein”. I joked that at least we came from the same reality together, so I took great comfort in that.

    While reading through the comments I came across several that resonated with me as I have a clearly different memory that the current consensus.
    -Mandela died in prison in the early 80s
    -Space Challenger disaster occurred in 1984, we were watching it in class so i know exactly where/when I was.
    -Billy Graham died a few years ago
    -Richard Chamberlain died of Aids in the late 80s and Linda Evans was worried she may have been exposed during love scenes.
    -Owen Wilson committed suicide iver some actress about early 00s
    -Honduras was an island
    -Australia was further South, by itself and not close to Papua New Guinea at all. New Zealand was further NorthEast of Australia. The pointy part of Australia currently showing near the Great Barrier reef did not exist, it was more of a rounded off coastline. (This really shocked me but I chalked it up to accurrate satellite imaging vs older plastic inaccurrate world globes.)
    -The movie I saw was The Candidate not The Campaign
    -This last one is the real shocking moment for me, I just recently was watching a tv documentary on Adolf Hitlers attempt to manifacture atomic weapons. They showed a close up color image of him talking to the camera….and his eyes were BLUE! BLUE as the bluest clearest sky! Omg, I nearly passed out as if all the air had been sucked out of the room. Being an avid reader, my memory was 100% clear that I had read Hitler had a complex about his brown eyes because they did not fit his ideal of the Aryan race. Every picture I had ever seen, every color motion video of him and every rendering of him showed brown eyes! Until today, today they are now blue, and not just blue a vivid blue!

    I have had several NDE, what is going on? I just want the truth like everyone else. (Sorry so long)

    1. I share some of your alternate memories, which I’ve already written about here. About Hitler having brown eyes, I’ve seen my share of Holocaust movies and also thought he had brown eyes, but I’m not sure if this is an alternate memory, or just a myth most of us were taught to believe in the past. Googling “Hitler brown eyes” brought up many instances of people believing the same thing.

      A yahoo question reads from seven years ago reads, “If Hitler had black hair and brown eyes why was he trying to make a master race with blond hair and blue eyes?” 38 people felt compelled to answer and not one person said “You idiot – he had blue eyes” or even something more polite. Everyone accepted that he had brown eyes. I’d like to hear from anyone who had always heard he had blue eyes, especially if they are at least middle-aged.

    2. The Hitler thing has a simple explanation. There are very few color photos of him and if you simply google his name you will see that most colorized pictures put his eyes as brown. I had to change the search to “hitler eye color” to get pictures of him with blue eyes.

      So you are remembering brown because so many photos that are colorized show him with brown.

      1. Aaron, I wish it were that simple. And yes, it appears as if — in the current timestream — Adolf Hitler had blue eyes. (Ref. )

        However, in school, I recall being taught that he had brown eyes. The history teacher who talked about that was fanatical about getting details right, and — if she was wrong about Hitler’s eye color — that would be the only time I can recall her focusing (no pun intended) on something like eye color, but getting it wrong.

        In fact, one of her points was about cultic leaders: their teachings don’t always align with their own lives. One of her examples was Hitler’s apparent obsession with genetic-related coloring, and his preference for blue eyes, and his well-known phobia about his own brown eye color. She insisted that his eyes were brown. So did some immigrant German grandparents of children I went to school with, and many of them had good reason to be correct about it.

        I’ve had a strong disdain for Hitler, so — until today — I’d never studied photos of him. I was genuinely amazed to find that article, which suggests his eyes were actually blue.

        I don’t think this is a simple issue of badly colorized photos. I’m not entirely sure it’s Mandela Effect evidence, but it’s certainly odd.


        1. I was taught and remember the same re: Hitler’s brown eyes and remember thinking how odd it was that he had aryan beliefs.

          1. Jessica, lately I’m more inclined to believe that Hitler’s photos were colorized with brown eyes (not the blue that has significant anecdotal evidence) as a jab at him, and — unaware of the prank — teachers and historians assumed his eyes really were brown.

        2. Excellent points, Fiona. Furthermore, contrary to what Aaron says, a black-and-white photo does not turn blue eyes brown. Ask anyone with blue eyes. There are plenty of B&W photos of Hitler from this timestream that show that show his eyes to be a light blue in this timestream whilist I am certain that they were always a dark brown for ME. Not any easy thing to mix up, B&W or not. Not to mention the traditional arguements for the irony concerning his Aryan ideology always given in the brown-eye-timeline.

        3. Fiona , late to the conversation. But I was always taught that Hitlers eyes were brown, and without fail every instructor always said his eye color obviously was in contrast to his beliefs. Blue eyed ,blonde haired Aryan race. I am not sure, but for whatever reason their seems to be an attempt by someone/thing to re-write our history. As an aside, take a look at pictures of Mussolini on the Internet. That is not the man I was taught about through school and college. Mike H.

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