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  1. Australia and NZ

    I live in Australia and as a result had to learn about geography 24/7 from K – 10 (dropped geography for me senior years). I remember from my childhood that new zealand was not so low and more level with the centre of australia as well as being a little further away. I remember because I used to wonder why people form America thought NZ was apart of Australia (because if its quite far away theres no way it even looks like a part of AUS). Really confused! I also remember the Bernstein bears even though I was born in the 90s and obviously not from America (never even read a single book but remember the name looking that way) and I also remember it being Charles Schultz with a ‘t’, so does my mum who grew up reading them cover to cover.

    Hope this helps 🙂

    1. (I may have already commented this on a previous comment but I meant to put it here)
      To anyone who reads this,
      I cannot believe the fact that Shirley Temple died recently. I have a vivid memory of her being a child star who passed away at n extremely young age. I do remember watching a collection of movies and things she starred in that was ‘The Best Of Shirley Temple’ made in honor of her death. I remember my mother and her female friends and I (at a young age) at a restaurant and her death was the topic. I don’t know what to believe at this point. Also, I recall my teacher speaking of Tank Boy dying and she showed our class an image of him in front of the tank before his death. I can definitely say that I know he died. Also, I do remember it being Mirror, Mirror, and I know for a FACT that it was Berenstein and not Berenstain. This whole Shirley Temple thing is really messing with me though.

      1. I remember Ed Harris dying! It was in a Time magazine article and on the news many places! But he is now alive apparently! What the heck!

  2. I remember chartreuse being a magenta.

    I live in NZ and I know the maps have changed but it is lower than Australia, but I also wondered why the maps now show it as though it has drifted away from it. By the way NZ is 3 main islands but a lot of maps don’t show that.

    I remember the volvo icon being something more to do with the v, like an oversized v with wings? (found this in google).

    I also remember ABBA being interviewed after their helicopter crash, then later it became an impersonating band singing ABBA in their memory, then later.. they had always been dead in the crash and had not come back.. now it is a rumour with most of them alive? I specifically remember them being interviewed about how they all survived the crash with amnesia.

    1. Sharon: Perhaps I can offer, if not an explanation, some insight on this one:

      As far as I know, ABBA (I may spell it as “Abba throughout, laziness, not a ME ;)) has never been involved with a plane crash or helicopter crash of any sort (Please, others corrected me if Im wrong.).

      However, it seems a few people DO seem to recall them dying in a plane crash (Or a bush crash with a sole survivor.) sometime in 1976-77 (As evidenced in this fan discussion.):

      Please note the talk of a turbulent air plane ride during an American tour in 1979, more on that later. Remember the bus crash reports from the 70s as well (They come up again!)

      Now, what makes this interesting to me is that while the plane crash of 76-77 never occurred, THIS article was published in 76-77:

      In this interview, Anna (Agnetha) of ABBA fame discusses she and Bjorn’s intense fear of flying and plane crashes. She recounts horrible nightmares of dying in a plane crash.

      Anna had extremely terrifying nightmares and developed a phobia of planes in the same period as others have reported believing ABBA to have died in a plane crash, which never occurred.

      Interesting, no?

      Now, fast forward to 1979: ABBA is on tour of America, when their plane encounters tremendous turbulence and a torndao(!), and nearly crashes. The pilot attempts to land once, and they nearly die, but then he manages a second landing attempt and saves them all. This was in 1979, and Anna speaks about this particular crash here:

      Now, remember the people in the very first link they remembered ABBA dying not in a plane crash, but a bus crash? At the bottom of the last article I link, we find:

      “For eight years after the plane incident, Fältskog traveled by road, taking a private coach to tour. In 1983 that proved to be just as dangerous — her private bus overturned on a highway in Sweden and she was thrown out of the window, but survived.”

      Granted this was Anna, and she did this out of her own fear of flying, but it seems like death just has it out for her. Yet she continues to miraculously survive at the last second.

      Finally, the helicopter crash and the tribute band:,7915440&hl=en

      This article is an interview with the ABBA tribute band “Bjorn Again”. And what is their gimmick? That they had a helicopter crash and spent several years on an island. With amnesia.

      I couldn’t find more to this particular one, but it seems deeply connected with what you said about a tribute band and the original members having amnesia, so I put it forth for consideration.

      Weird stuff going on with ABBA and particularly poor Anna.

  3. Collaterels are the key to clinch the principals of ME memory.I have a knack to squeeze all that is relevant,out of a given situation,not that it’s very profitable policy in current world,but just for the principle of it.

  4. Sex IN the City is another one. It is now Sex AND the City. It definitely was originally Sex IN the City. And to support Mr,. Stone’s second theory on the Rio Jesus Statue….I have an Encyclopedia Britannica from the 1940s that shows a picture of the Statue and Says that it is 300 something (I don’t recall the exact figure) feet tall. Now they’re saying it is 98 feet tall and photos back that up.

    The information below is from Jim Stone who is a Former NSA Agent and is now a Freelance Journalist. His website is: Go about half way down on this page to see the Photographic Evidence he has provided.

    I am now confident I am not living in my original timeline.
    And I got strong evidence that millions of people, if not all people, are not living in their original timelines. I think something happened.

    The very first thing I noticed was that 20 years or so ago, Nelson Mandela died in prison, only to discover 20 years later he was still alive with no record of any prison. The second thing I noticed a few years ago was that the Berenstein bears were suddenly the Berenstain bears, which hit my gut odd, and I wondered why they changed it. As it turns out, in this timeline it was never changed. All the books, going all the way back say Berenstain. This was successfully talked down But there are now TWO NEW ENORMOUS NUKES THAT ARE NOT GOING AWAY, AND THEY ARE SEX IN THE CITY IS NOW SEX AND THE CITY, AND THE GIANT JESUS STATUES OF PERU AND BRAZIL.

    Ok, now I have cold hard proof of Sex in the City, in the form of intrinsic evidence which proves that EVERYONE LIVING thinks it is supposed to be “Sex in the City”. A simple google search that does the search in a way that denies Google the ability to correct the search results in a unanimous public consensus that YES, it always was “sex in the city”:

    Note the locations of the publications listed here: We have publications in America, airline blogs, and publications in Israel that say it was sex in the city, and ADDITIONALLY, a pirate perfume company in China that thought it was sex in the city. This proves that this phenomenon was global, and not just a local glitch at the local station, where someone there titled it wrong. Yet when you do an uncorrected search on Google, all Google will say is that it is and always was “sex and the city” and when you do a google image search titled “SEX IN THE CITY” it autocorrects and only puts up graphics of “Sex and the City” even if you try to force it to only give results for “sex in the city” because in this timeline, only the public conscience has it remembered as “sex in the city” which will show up in text people have written, while the hard physical reality has it as “sex and the city”.

    How big was the Rio Jesus anyway?
    You know, that GIANT Jesus statue they have down there in Brazil, that in (at least my) original timeline dwarfed the entire town? I specifically remember that particular Jesus was over 300 feet tall, and that there was another giant Jesus in Peru that was just under 400 feet tall. How tall are they now? GET THIS: Neither are as tall as a 10 story building now! They look like ordinary large statues a big church might put up! And as it turns out, there is not a single Jesus statue anywhere in the world now that is over 120 feet tall when the base is subtracted!

    And I do not know what to make of this.
    All I can do is guess either something happened in our original timeline and a new one was created with errors in the details (which would pretty much prove we live in a simulation and not a real universe) or someone gained the ability to mess with the timeline and unwittingly change certain details in the recent past (which is as far back as they can go without risking their own time travel technology messing up their prospects of return.) It would make sense then that if they messed up the past, that would be our reality, but it did not go that way, something is seriously messed up.

    One thing is certain, my memory is not messed up, “Sex in the city” proves it!

    I can only hope it is the white hats messing with the timeline to give us a chance, like in the latest Terminator movie. I can only hope . . . . . because if it is the bad guys doing this, they already won and if no one is messing with the timeline, we might be living as a simulation in a CPU that had a crash, and merged us with a different but very similar parallel database.

    1. I want to address this too Fiona and Chimera. First off great post ! Lots of good topics there.

      And Fiona, all I can do anymore is nod my head in agreement. So many of these posts lately are really adding to the discussions. The simulation theory is really starting to resonate with me. Mike H.

    2. I have been to the Christ statue Rio in 1998, and would swear it is much larger than 98 feet. It was absolutely massive. Looking at pictures on Google, I don’t recognize the black stone base the statue is sitting on. I clearly remember standing at the bottom and seeing the statue’s toes and the folds of the robes. Aside from the gargantuan size, the toes are my most clear memory from visiting the statue and made the most lasting impression in my mind. The way the statue looks now, there is no way I could have seen the toes at all because the base is 26 feet tall. I also read that elevators were installed in 2002, and previous visitors had to climb 200 steps up to the statue. I have no memory of climbing those steps either.

      Another strange thing is, when you look at pictures of the Cristo de la Concordia statue in Bolivia (137 feet), the people standing at the bottom of the statue look pretty big. People standing at the bottom of the Christ statue in Rio look dwarfed, but the statue in Bolivia is supposedly larger.

      1. The Christ the Redeemer statue is actually 130 feet tall .. The arm length is 98 feet across .. A lot of web sites get the height wrong .

        I read another post somewhere on this forum where someone else had visited the statue and claimed that it was shockingly small compared to what she assumed it would be from looking at the pictures of it .. I have looked at many pictures of it and find them to be rather disconcerting .. I assume it’s the perspective but in some pictures the statue looks massive and in other pictures it appears to be much smaller. . Last night I found a few pictures where people were standing right up next to the base and it looked way too small.. I looked for those pictures again tonight but they seem to have disappeared.

      2. I asked my friend from Rio to tell me how tall the statue is, without looking it up. He said 75 meters (about 130 feet). So we’re from different time streams, or my memory is wrong. I’m starting to doubt myself, but Why do I have such a clear memory of the toes? It was the first mental image I had when thinking of the statue, BEFORE looking it up the other day to find out they’re not there.
        Interestingly, my first alternate memory is jiffy turning to jif, which happened right after I got back from Brazil. Now I also believe I saw a different Christ statue than what is there now. Maybe I slid around that time.

        1. FJ,
          I’m not sure why but I get a rather uneasy feeling when looking at photos of the Christ statue in Rio .. It appears to be much larger than 130 feet, including the base! .. The fact that I can no longer find the pictures showing it looking too small is strange.

          It’s also strange that your memory of it doesn’t include the base or the stairs leading up to it.

          As for Jiffy peanut butter becoming Jif, I thought that was a recent change until I looked up images of the product and found that it had never been called Jiffy… That was as mind blowing as FRUIT LOOPS changing into FROOT!

          1. Curious you can’t find the same pictures as before, but nothing truly surprises me these days 🙂
            I agree that the pictures out there make it appear larger than 130 feet when you compare the scale of people, stairs, etc surrounding it.

            I can’t stop obsessing about that statue, but specifically the toes. I found some images online where I could zoom in and see the toes, albeit blurry. Still, I got chills. They are just how I remember them with the folds of the robe, except that in my memory there was NO base, the toes were at ground level, and a popular spot to have a picture taken. I’m almost certain I took a picture in that spot…I will be searching my photos. Although if I’m in a different time stream, the photos will likely show me standing in front of the base, which appears to be black granite or something similar. So different from my memory.

          2. Hasn’t the fruit/froot loops thing been solved? Someone showed how it was originally fruit loops, but the company got in legal trouble because the product doesn’t actually contain fruit, so they had to change the name to Froot.

            1. IJC, someone said it was a legal issue, but I don’t think I’ve seen a link that verifies it. (If I’ve forgotten that link, please remind me. Even I am willing to admit that I forget and mis-remember things, now and then. LOL)

              Also, when I search the US Trademark database, I don’t see that “Fruit Loops” was ever trademarked, except as an air freshener (by a NJ company that’s abandoned the trademark), and for “Hood River County Fruit Loop,” an Oregon brand of pears, abandoned in 2009, shortly after it was registered.

          1. I didn’t check his conversion from metric, just copied what he wrote. I wonder if his metric measurement is what he leaned in school in Brazil… Interesting!

    3. Hi there!
      Guess what, in my reality it has ALWAYS been Sex and the City! And I would now, I have it on DVD and’ve watched like three times!
      This thing with the statue of Christ – that’s scary! Wow, I didn’t feel good yesterday when I found this out – it feels like ANYTHING can happen now!
      Best wishes, Catharina!

    4. I definitely remember The BERENSTEIN Bears — and I was not a big fan of Sex In The City, but one of my good friends was a big fan. She even had a girls night for the Sex IN The City movie! This is wild.

    5. Chimera: Keep they encyclopedia! Keep it safe! Check the rest of its set if you have them!

      1. Also, Chimera, please take another look at that encyclopedia. We need its copyright date, the page number and heading for the reference, and the exact number of feet they reported there.

  5. Ok for me it all started with one question. Billy Graham is still alive? Than who did they bury at his funeral?! As I searched for info to prove my friend wrong I stumbled on the Mandela effect and this site and eureka! This explains so much and here I thought I was just absentminded. All through the years as far back as I can remember (I’m 40) I have noticed changes but I always felt that either others or myself just got their information differently on certain events. But in the last 15 years some of the changes have really been drastic.

    Almost everyone here who was alive in the 80’s remembers Stein not Stain. That’s me.

    I have heard about THREE versions of Tank man and seen two of them. The version I remember is the one where he walks out with a bag and blocks a column of tanks, he is than pulled away by one man who approaches him from the left a pulls him away to the left. I saw this version when it happened in 1989. Decades later I saw a video where he got on the tank itself! I was like when did that happen?! Also he was pulled away by several people in that version. I don’t remember the he gets run over version.

    Also I remember the Midwest heat wave of 1995 being a massive disaster where almost ten thousand died and it was a major news story for weeks. Now when I look it up fewer then 800 died and very few people remember it when the version that I remember it was bigger news story then the Oklahoma City bombing.

    I don’t remember the apple being teleported but I do remember in the late 1990’s where a scientist had found a process that would replenish the ozone layer over Antartica. I saw him on the Today show talking about it and read about it in the L.A. Times. There was even talk that he was going to get the Nobel Prize. Years later I thought what ever happened to that guy? Now I can’t find any trace of him anywhere on the Internet.

    Nobody does it like Sarah Lee…I remember this as a jingle.

    Jiffy peanut butter

    Fruit loops

    Snap, Krackle and pop. With a k.

    Not sure if this counts but the switch of the word ‘normality’ to the word ‘normalcy’

    I remember seeing crime photos of the dead Lindbergh Baby.
    Geez I have more to write down but I’ll end it here.
    Question—would Deja Vu be part of this phenomenon?

    1. Rob, I absolutely loved your thought about Billy Graham, “who did they bury at his funeral?” That kind of response indicates a powerful alternate memory!

    2. Rob,
      Great post! I’m glad that you brought up the 1995 heat wave. i was living in Chicago at the time (had just graduated from college, so I was an adult and had the mental capacity to remember accurately) and I remember that over 800 people died in Chicago alone. It was so bad that Mayor Daley ordered grocery stores, movie theaters, and malls to allow people to linger–what amounted to loitering. The city started sending out task forces to go door to door in some of poorer neighborhoods (where people likely didn’t have air conditioning) and senior living areas to do welfare checks to make sure people were okay and could get to the newly ordered “cooling centers”. There was even a couple of times where the power grid was so maxed out it failed. It was, as you describe, a very big deal. I never realized that it’s no longer a big deal until you post. Wow! I’ve even brought up this event to some of my friends at various times throughout the years and no one has ever seemed alarmed at my version of the story, it’s as if my version is similar to or the same as their memory of that summer.

      This web site is wonderful because before this web site I would have never known of all of these anomalies. Thank you, Fiona.

      1. Steve: The phrase “cooling centers” rings a strong bell for me as does the mid-90s timeframe. The memory is vague for me otherwise… This is something I find very plausible in my history. I’m curious now about this!

        The big East Coast snowstorm that left unmelted snow for months last year or so still happened, right?

    3. My immediate response was that you were correct about the rice crispy guys but now I’m second guessing that I’m confusing it with the candy bar Krackel?

    4. *Rob*

      You mentioned a scientist was doing something about the Ozone Layer in Antarctica. I was probably 7 or 8 but I do have a memory of my parents watching the news/ Today show about it. I didn’t play close attention but I remember thinking about how cool it was that a scientist had discovered a way to repair the hole in the Ozone layer. Now that I research it, it seems that Everyone agreed how to fix it and the article I found:

      Says that by 2080, the Ozone layer should be somewhat back to “normal”. But it doesn’t mention anything about one main scientist. Apparently, a Team of scientist made the discovery and the Planet (literally and for once) unanimously agreed to fix the problem. Now if they could agree on everything else….

      1. Wrenlet, I really want to believe National Geographic, but they’ve whitewashed so many “mysteries” in recent years, I don’t trust them now. However, in this case, I’d like to think their article offers genuine hope.

  6. Since I discovered this topic yesterday I really can’t stop obsessing about it and recalling more and more alternate memories.
    A weird instance just happened where I got the strangest feeling while thinking about some of my ME experiences. The TV was on but i wasn’t paying attention to it just zoning out thinking about ME experiences I’ve had when I turned my attention to the TV it was the very end of Mazda commercial and the only words I heard were “remembering when you were you” and then the screen switched to the Mazda logo which for some reason now reminds me of the “old” Volvo logo. I certainly don’t ever remember seeing the “new” Volvo logo til yesterday.
    Another alternate memory I have that I haven’t seen on this site is the death of Jim nabors aka gomer Pyle. I could’ve bet anything that he died of aids several years ago but apparently he’s still alive. Does anyone else remember his death?

    1. Hi, Skepticalbeliever.

      Jim Nabors isn’t dead?! Unfortunately I don’t really remember the details, but he was most definitely dead, so I remember that, too.

      1. I remember having a long conversation with my now deceased Father about Jim Neighbors. We were talking about him because he had just died. My Dad was telling me how he had met him and what a nice guy he had been. This one freaks me out along with many more. I keep adding to my list. Berenstein
        Sex in the City
        Desi Arnez
        If you build it THEY will come
        Mirror Mirror
        A Vampire

      2. Hi, Me. Nothing like replying to yourself on a public forum, but I wanted to expand on my comment. I imagine some people would read it and ask themselves, well if she doesn’t remember the details, why is she so sure he died? Good question, and here’s the answer:

        A few times, when people who were alive in my lifetime died, I later found out that they had some talent that I didn’t know about, which caused me to feel this odd and memorable type of regret, which I always remember when that person is mentioned. Jim Nabors is one of those rare people that this happened with. He died, and then the tributes started. Commenters were talking about how wonderfully he could sing, and how sad it was that we’d never hear that again (except for recordings, or course). My immediate response was, “Jim Nabors could sing?” I was never an actual fan of his – I knew he was an actor, and that he played ‘Gomer Pyle’, and that was about all I knew of him. But curious now, I paid attention when tribute clips were played – and wow! could he sing! And that’s when that weird and specific feeling of regret came on, because I never heard him sing when he was alive. That’s how I always knew that Jim Nabors died, even when I no longer remembered when or how.

        Except now he’s alive. I wonder if that feeling will unattach itself from him now, or always remain. That’ll be interesting to see (or feel) play out.

        1. I recall that Jim Nabors had passed away, in maybe 2005-2007. I learned then that he was gay, but I don’t know if he had aids and if that was the cause of death. I do remember the death and his being gay though and because of where I was living at the time I had the conversation I can pinpoint the time. I had been living in NE and was only there from June 2005 – July 2007 then returned to the east coast.

    2. I do remember Jim Nabors’ death! It was a pretty big deal, too, because of him being a famous person who died of what was then a little understood disease. He was a great singer, something I didn’t know for a long time because I’d only ever seen him a few times as the goofy character, Gomer Pyle. For those who haven’t heard him sing, here’s one video: Enjoy it while he’s still alive…again!

    3. I, too, remember hearing of Jim Nabor’s death from AIDS. I only found out about Mandela Effect last Sunday and only found out he was still alive since then.

      I can narrow down when I heard about it. It wasn’t that long ago. My father and I were living in the house I’m in now, so the earliest it would have been is late October 2012. My father was still alive at the time, so the latest it would have been is late June of this year. I remember the scene clearly, too. I was sitting on the sofa, he was sitting in his chair reading. I was on my iPad and read about it. I then told him about it. I wish I could narrow it down more, but I really have no sense of time anymore. (Odd thought. Could that be ME related? All of the various shifts messing with our sense of time? Or is it just me? That wouldn’t surprise me either, lol!)

  7. Hi there,

    Soooo, I’m going to keep this short…. I share many of the same memories as most people here… There’s one memory I’d like to share that I haven’t seen on here yet and its about the rendition of the song ‘Hey Joe’ by Jimi Hendrix… I am a big Hendrix fan and can play many of his songs, and in Hey Joe I swear he never said “Shoot her one more time again, baby” …… I just found this out because a bro and I jammed it and I had to look at the lyrics… this is something I would remember… the Hendrix I knew of would have NEVER written that… … its weird.

    anyway.. Just had to say that & I LOVE all the comments!


  8. There was a comment about this in Comment Section 2, but I would like to bring it up here. I specifically remember there not being a drop at the beginning of the Pirates of the Caribbean ride in Disneyland (CA). I went there last summer with my mother and she was talking about the drop, and I was very confused and said something like, “what are you talking about? There’s no drop.” And then we got on the ride, and to my disbelief, there was a drop. I would love to hear some feedback on if anybody else experienced something like this. Thanks.

    1. There was definitely a drop. At least since I started going there as a kid in the early 80’s. I remember it distinctly because I was so afraid of it.

  9. I thought it was Berenstien Bears not Berenstain. I don’t remember Mandela dying. Though that could be because I was born in the nineties. I thought it was Schultz and not Schulz. I always thought it was spelled the Ellis Island way. I think that not all of us feel every shift that happens to our time stream. We even have personal ones. I think that it may even be possible that some people can shift in to another dimension if it is close enough to our own.
    I am an American and I could have sworn that Jeb was George W. cousin. It wasn’t until the last year or so that I heard they were brothers. And I have paid attention to politics since George W. ran the first time.
    I fill like the Mandela effect happened recently to me. I was rewatching the movie the Avengers. I am sure that the movie was shorter and had less Bruce Banner in it. Which is fine I like Bruce Banner. The Hulks my favorite superhero. I feel that somehow the movie became 20 minutes longer my mother agrees with me that it feels longer. My brother says that I just paid really bad attention to the movie. Which is weird because it isn’t like I do anything else but watch the movie while it is on. I am curious if anyone else has watched within the last month and also feels like the movie changed. I have also watch the movie a hundred or so times.

  10. I hadn’t heard of the Lindbergh baby until I came on this site about a month ago after being totally taken aback by the Berenst#in Bears thing. I spent a lot of time looking through all of the comments on these threads, and I learned all about the whole Lindbergh baby situation. But something (maybe in my timeline?) has changed since I started reading these comments. When I started reading them, the Lindbergh baby was found alive after some days or weeks, and I could have sworn it was a girl. Hearing that the Lindbergh baby was found dead completely conflicts with the information (which is still fresh in my mind) I have been reading on this site over the last few weeks.

    I vividly remember a post by somebody talking about a book that the surviving Lindbergh baby (woman?) wrote, and the whole kidnapping fiasco was a very minor portion of her autobiography. They said that this was very odd to them as it was such a big deal in the news. I cannot find this comment anywhere in the forums. Has anyone else experienced this? Am I going insane, or did something actually change? Hearing the baby was found dead is very morbid, and I would have remembered that detail. And again, I thought the baby was a girl (but I suppose I could be wrong on that, it is a minor detail). Let me know if anyone else has experienced this, I’m pretty freaked out!

    1. Matt,
      I never heard of the Lindberg baby either until reading about “her” on this site. I pretty much skimmed over it because it was foreign to me, I couldn’t relate. But it is as you have said. Without concentrating on it, I read by poster that in their timeline “the never found that baby” and now they read that she is alive. However, as of today, search engines are registering that the Lindberg baby did indeed die but it is a boy instead of girl.
      I am not amused and have sighed after reading your comment. It almost as if I a participatory in whats going on but there is something there that is also acting like a countermeasure of sorts. I can not really explain it. However, on dates that I feel/sense a shift, I go looking and sure enough more has changed. Kind of speechless. Perhaps we may all find out soon the dynamics of this reality…or maybe not. I digress.

    2. You might be thinking of Agatha Christie. I know there were comments regarding her disappearance and how it was a small part of her autobiography.

      1. Ox Man, that kind of mix-up seems like a stretch to me, but I suppose it’s possible. However, Ms. Christie never spoke about what happened when she went missing, so that makes a Lindbergh-Christie confusion especially unlikely.

        1. Would be interesting to see those who remember Agatha Christie staying vanished would remember some of the books she wrote after she had returned. that could put another time line to memory when the world changed for them..

    3. I saw that post too! I remember people saying how they thought the baby was dead or hadn’t been found and how weird it was that she was alive and wrote a book. I had barely known about the baby before coming on this sight, but I remember seeing it in a list of unsolved mysteries before.

  11. This is too much now. I found this when a youtuber I follow made a video about the Berenstain/stein glitch. I’ve been trying to wrap my head around ever since. After reading through pages of comments here I’m more lost than ever.
    Flesh crayons is getting me bad as I was an avid crayon user and distinctly using this crayon in the 80’s. Asked my girl if she remembered it and she started to describe it detail and was freaked out when I told her there’s no possible way we could have used that crayon because it didn’t exist after the 60’s.

    The words I’ve seen listed like a lot should be alot. It’s not its. Plead not pleaded, lit not lighted, spelt not spelled. Many others.

    The other real major mind blown one for me is Tank boy. I remember watching him get run over by the tank, it was gruesome, couldn’t believe I saw it on TV, remember everyone talking about it and how bad communist China was.

    For months I’ve been trying to figure this all out. Is it Cern, is it parallel universes, is there a pattern. There doesn’t seem to be any pattern with the memories. My girl remembers Berenstein and Sex and the city. I remember Berenstein and Sex in the city. I could chalk this all up to bad memories or misremembering, but then I saw the flesh colored crayon… There’s no way I misremember using it and my girl describing it in detail, there’s something messing with time and space and altering out reality. I’m sure of it now.

    1. I looked up the word lit because I have always used it. The internet says lit and lighted are interchangeable. I have always been under the impression that lighted was not a real word.
      Also, the flesh colored crayon question. Everyone that I have asked said they used it when they were a kid, It is the only question that they cannot explain away. Most are shocked to find out that they were discontinued so long ago. My mom used crayons to teach us kids how to read, and remembers clearly reading and spelling the flesh colored crayon to us.

      1. I remember lighted specifically not being a real word.

        The flesh coloured crayon thing is kind of weirding me out, to be honest. From what I’ve seen so far people generally remember it being flesh when they were younger, which is why it confuses me so much.

        I don’t remember it being flesh when I was a kid at all, only the peach coloured crayon (was born in 1992, by the way). However, I do remember there being a flesh coloured crayon a couple of years ago, and it was a BIG deal. Social rights activists protested it, I remember signing a petition to have it changed. I remember watch a commercial (that was more like a short film) on YouTube about a black kid asking his white classmate for a skin coloured crayon. Unfortunately, despite my tendency to involve myself in social justice (more so back then, even) I didn’t really get too into it compared to other things, because I remembered using the peach coloured crayon and therefore just assumed it was an American thing (I’m Canadian). I wish I remembered more details.

        Does anyone else remember the flesh coloured crayon being a recent thing?

      2. I too remember the Flesh colored crayon from the 80s. And no way was “lighted” ever a word in modern English.

  12. Has anyone ever wondered that this may or may not have something to do with “the day the world was going to end”?

    If i am not mistaken, I remember the Physic Twins saying that the world wasn’t going to end on December 21, 2012, but there was going to be a very rare alignment and strange solar activities in the universe and an awakening.

    Is it possible that this “glitch” or “change” happened on December 21, 2012? And not the day the world would end?

    1. I have this memory! Seeing your comment has brought it back. I remember during the whole George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin ordeal I thought they had the same last name, so I did a Google search and found it was “Zimmern”. I thought it was weird at the time since I had watched so many episodes! But I just figured I was wrong and shrugged it off.

      1. It is Zimmerman…I just googled it. Which would mean you and I are in different realities. I don’t know, but I just found this site a few days ago, and to be honest, I could totally believe it.

    2. What?? When did it become “Zimmern”? is that even a name? I didn’t even know this happened until now. I’m 100% sure it was Zimmerman, he was in the news so much that name would be pretty hard to miss.

    3. Yes I clearly remember doing searches for andrew ZIMMERMAN as I could never remember how to spell bizarre. That was how I discovered the bizarre world show when it came out.

  13. I live in South Africa, and I clearly remember that Nelson Mandela died in prison. I was shocked years later, to hear that he was coming out of prison. I also remember hearing of John Goodman’s death (after the filming of the 1994 movie the Flintstones) from a heart attack. The man in Tiananmen Square was run over and killed by the tanks. And the painting of Henry 8th holding a large turkey leg. The colour Chartreuse was reddish. As for the Space Shuttle Challenger, that happened in 1983 for me.

  14. Hi Fiona and all,

    I found this site roundabout through a post I found on the Berenstaein Bears…and I felt so odd and I was instantly shocked to find that it was spelled “correctly” with an AIN. Just looking at images of the script on the book cover made me feel eerie, weird, and just not right. My gut felt like it turned over, just like it does with every new dissonant memory I’m finding since then. I know memory is fickle, but this is something that makes my instincts tingle. I am not sure what to make of it all. I feel especially odd in that I remember BERNstein Bears with no extra e between the r and n in the first half of the name. Any rational person has every reason to doubt these theories…but there are too many strange coincidences in my life to ignore this, and too many people having experiences that are too similar.

    I’m in my late 30’s and grew up in California by the way just to give you an idea of my demographic.

    Probably the most disturbing sensation I’ve encountered so far was the placement of Australia on the map. That one really took me off guard. I have always been a geography/cartography nerd. I seem to remember Australia being much further south and quite far from Indonesia/Papua New Guinea. It was way more isolated & closer to New Zealand, which was more due east. The spike on the right edge of the “Gulf of Carpinteria” stands out as off to me as well. I certainly HOPE it’s just me misremembering, especially when it comes to the subject of moving continents & geography changing. It’s hard not to feel like a raving lunatic for even considering the possibility.

    Here are all of my memories that don’t seem match up with reality:

    -Interview With A Vampire
    -Sex In The City
    -Tank guy got killed
    – Australia was much further away from Indonesia. I feel like if Australia were to move south east closer to New Zealand (instead of New Zealand being in the wrong place, I feel like it would be more correct if Australia just moved)
    -Cuba seems much larger
    -Sri Lanka was more directly beneath India
    -Madagascar seemed further south, and I also share memories of it being barely inhabited & hard to visit because it was protected
    -Barbara Streisand
    -The Candidate
    -Mirror Mirror on the wall
    -many other Hollywood/celebrity related confusing memories
    -the color chartreuse has always been weird for me. I always thought it was a limey yellow-green, but people for the longest time have been trying to correct me telling me it was a color like magenta. Puce is a yellowish green w/ brown added
    -the positions of the setting sun & moon have seemed off to me as well as the color of sun/light. (I live within view of the Pacific Ocean, have always been a sky-gazer, and can see the setting sun and moon daily over the ocean. Lucky me, I know!)
    -cousin Jeb Bush
    -Haley’s Comet

    That’s all I can think of now.

    I find it strange that there isn’t more discussion about the similarity of the theories presented here and the show FRINGE, which I have now watched all the way through twice. Perhaps it has been discussed in length on a comments page I haven’t gotten through yet, I’m not sure. In any case, they have an alternate/parallel universe plot line as well as alternate/parallel timelines. All the while, “observers” from the future have mastered time travel and go back to observe 21st century civilization only to accidentally screw up some timelines causing ripple effects and timeline splits. There is also a scientist who is the initial breaker of the barriers between universes (Walter Bishop-favorite character ever!) which then also disturbs futures and timelines in the parallel universe as well as his own. One of the main characters goes through memory implantation, and has alternate timeline/universe doppelgangar’s memories transferred into her brain. The theories in that show fascinate me to no end. There is even a “pocket universe”.

    Another theory I wonder about is the whole Matrix or simulated reality theory and that these Mandela Effect instances are possibly glitches or “easter eggs” to catch our attention. Mind control is clearly something the powers that be have been working for decades. Implanted false memories or mass hypnosis? Who knows, either we are doing this to ourselves accidentally, it is part of a natural quantum immortality, or we are just downright being messed with.

    In any case, it is nice to have a place to discuss these theories and share some of these bizarre experiences we are all having concerning dissonant memories etc.

  15. Hello, Fiona and Friends,
    My name is Bliss and I am new to this community. Since I discovered this site two days ago, I have been ripping through accounts and descriptions of anomolys on this site. I have some thoughts if you don’t mind posting, and I do hope I’m leaving this in the right comment section. Fiona, thank you and please post this in the right place if I am wrong.

    A couple of things here really stand out to me. The first thing I would like to point out is that, of course, what brought me here was the Bernstein Bears anomoly. At first, a few weeks ago, when I heard about it, I quickly corrected the “EI” to an “AI” and didn’t think anything of it. A simple mix up as a child; nothing more. But then I really got into researching this ME situation and when other things started popping up, some of them really hit home.

    1.) I distinctly remember Thanksgiving being the third Thursday of every November. I do not ever remember it being later than that; and I remember always having to ask for confirmation that it was correct, as a child it was hard to remember.

    2.) This one is a little fuzzy for me but my intuition tells me to mention it. The show Ghost Hunters was definitely called “TAPS” in the beginning. I can specifically remember being engulfed in TAPS when it first came out because I have so many personal experiences with what I believe to be the paranormal. It was later changed to Ghost Hunters, and later they created Ghost Hunters: International.

    3.) I can say with 100% certainty that I know it was “A wonderful day in THE neighborhood… wouldn’t you be my neighbor?” Mr. Rogers was like a magical, television god to me. My great-grandmother and I would sing the song together.

    4.) Red color charteuse is a red/purple color. As someone who has delved deeply into the arts and spent hours behind a canvas at art school, I know for a fact that chartreuse has never been a green/yellow color. Chartreuse is a color close to vermillion (which I could SWEAR was spelt “vermilian”; which translates to red.

    5.) The other thing I remember that no one else seems to be able to come up with is a really creepy website from early ’00s. It had a weird set up, I remember black and orange perhaps as the format, and it was this weird underground community of people where you could sign up to join in this underground program. You would sign up and then get directions on what to do next, leave an item somewhere, or show up at a location to find a document or item left by another individual. I to this day cannot remember the name of the site, and I never personally signed up, I was terrified at the secretive operation of the website. Does ANYONE else have ANY idea of what I’m talking about? I remember the person who originally showed me the website but I am too nervous to ask this person about it; what if he says it never existed?

    6.) The Bernstein (that’s how i remember it) Bears situation really freaks me out. Let me explain why; the idea that this author’s last name has changed physically on all the copies of our books is too difficult to wrap my brain around. How could tangible copies of these books all of a sudden have a different spelling? Don’t get me wrong, I certainly believe ALL OF YOU when you say it is definitely NOT “AI”; I am a huge grammar and spelling nut and I would have pronounced it correctly. Not to mention I am from German heritage; my mother would have noted the pronounciation. I refuse to allow my mother to send pictures of my copies showing the author’s name; I know it will say “Berenstain”. She says the spelling is “EI” as well but quickly brushed off the change when she looked up the “AI” spelling on Google. This blows my mind and I am still trying to figure out what to ” believe”.

    7.) My two grandmothers raised me on the Peanuts, we watched every holiday special; one would send me newspaper clippings in the mail. It was most definitely Schultz. Again with being German, my grandmothers would have corrected me. I have always had this “condition” in which I HAVE to spell things out in my mind. It happens all day long. For example, if I am having a conversation with you, I am almost certainly spelling out in my own head every third word you say (approximately). I remember clearly sitting at my grandmother’s table reading “Peanuts” and spelling ‘Schultz’ over and over again in my mind; liking the way the letters ‘looked’ in my head. (Please, contact me if someone else here has this ‘condition’ as well; it’s almost like synthestia, but without large amounts of color?)

    Please, I am so new to this, my mind feels like it is playing tricks on me. The “rational” (or “brainwashed”) side of me says I’ve just been mistaken all these years. But the intuitive side of me knows this is all true. Any reply to my comments would be helpful. I do not wish to feel alone with this any longer.
    -Bliss W.

    1. Hi Bliss,
      For some reason it has not stuck out to me until now but your use of “EI” and “AI” I kind of viewed in a different light. I know you mean the “I” to be I but I read it as an L. So for instance, I kept wondering why you were mentioning “EL” and “AL” prepositions used in Hebrew but also used to name God. I had to look it up and still have plenty of reading regarding “AL” and how it used in Hebrew. So far, it is saying they can be substituted for the most part but there are conditions where it can not and should not be. (I had only previously been familiar with “El” as I have highlighted briefly somewhere else here regarding the Ponchatoula Times crossword puzzle.)

      When I came upon the change though I just immediately attributed it to there being a “stain” on history that perhaps like blood could not be easily removed without really thinking bad/good of it at the time.

      Also, I guess some can read “AI” as artificial intelligence. Maybe I am just saying a whole lot of nothing again but it was nice to see your comment.

      1. (Still not sure about the “AI” part of the above message however:) Just like Proctor and Procter have two totally different meanings,
        ברנשטיין and ברנשטן
        mean something entirely different; primary emphasis placed on שטן versus שטיין ,but I am fairly new at looking at Hebrew letters. Insights into this anyone?

        1. Al and El being gods: was one of them represented by Jupiter, the other by Saturn? Al from Ba’al, El from Elohim? Zeux vs. Cronos (Light vs. Time)? Or was AL always just a different version of EL – the name of god?

    2. Hi Bliss! I understand the deep sense of confusion around this. I feel it too. Some memories I can go either way with, but some are so strong and surprising.

      Re that spooky secretive 00s website: it wasn’t Neurocam International by any chance was it?

      Regards Nate

      1. Nate,
        I cannot be one hundred percent sure of the title but THAT CERTAINLY strikes a cord. Could you, please, elaborate on what you remember of the website? Was it a big hoax? Is it still there? I am too afraid to look it up right now; I need some time to process. Thank you for your help! I look forward to hearing your reply!

        1. Hi Bliss. From what I found on the net a few years ago – stories by people who had been involved and then burned out – nobody was ever entirely sure quite what Neurocam was. it seemed to begin as some kind of performance art piece started by art students in Australia around 2005-ish, kind of pretending to be secret agents, but then it sort of took on a cult-ish life of its own, broke up into vague factions and infights. I doubt its still around now. These were the days before anonymouschat and meme boards like 4chan, reddit and Anonymous, but looking back now it feels exactly like a prototype of that kind of “internet troll” community. All “operations” and secret wars and mind games. Probably harmless, but not necessarily so. Today’s trolls have a very dark edge.

          I’d love to know more about the Neurocam experience because I encountered it in New Zealand a couple of years before it existed anywhere else. I want to say about 2001? There was a physical billboard and website advertising a fake brain-recording device. i suspect this may have been an art project / prank and the genesis of the whole thing.

          1. Nate,
            Thank you so much for getting back to me. I ended up doing some research and wanted to pass it along in case you hadn’t seen these links yet.
            If you go to the site it links you to the following:
   Within this site the author recants his supposed involvement with the Neurocam experience. There are six “chapters” starting in 2013 (right hand side of page). If these stories are true, it gives a pretty good insight into what was happening.
            I also found some information regarding neurocam and it’s official “outcome”. If you look through this ( reddit page there is reference to a Robin Hely, who is supposedly the creator and leader of the “Neurocam art project”. His website is www, and you can find reference to neurocam there as well. He has put out a thesis on this ‘art project’ and you can read it here (it’s a download):
            From what I’ve read, these links are just the tip of the ice burg as far as neurocam goes and what people think actually happened; there are even those who are sure this ‘thesis’ is just a part of a ploy to get people off of neurocam’s back. I am still unsure of what to believe.

            Fiona, I appreciate you posting this and passing on the information. It might clarify some things for people who are also looking for some information regarding this “Neurocam International”. I know this is not directly related to ME but I appreciate you posting it.

            Bliss Witton

            1. Thanks Bliss for those Neurocam links! I’ll give them a read. It seems like Neurocam is much the same as I remember it. Regards, Nate.

    3. Bliss. YOU are not alone, We all question ourselves every day with what we remember, We have all gone through this.. dont panic, dont worry, just try to see it as something exciting, we here are on the verge of a brand new thing. we are the pioneers.

    4. Hi Bliss W. 🙂

      I have something similar to the “spelling in my head”. You are the first person I have come across that has the same “condition”. It’s not just spelling with me either. A lot of repeating words and phrases. I would like to learn more about this. I am curious to see if anyone else has this as well.

      I also have most of the ME experiences that everyone has talked about. I would say I’m at 95% and the other things I just never had knowledge of.

      1. Yes to the spelling in my head. Usually not during convos with other people but if I am listening to my own train of thought I will see it as a stream of words. I have dreamed “data downloads”. Words have to “look right” internally before I am satisfied with their spelling on paper. As a child, I would scan and read all signs/billboards, memorized the little paragraph on automatic hand dryers that talked about automatic hand dryers saving trees etc, stuff like that. My tenuous theory was/is that we are training ourselves to notice, even scrutinize our surroundings and that helps us detect these changes.

  16. Didn’t know where to put this question: when “sliding” between alternate realities, do our physical bodies slide or are we “soul hopping” into alternate versions of ourselves? This came up when we are trying to decide if boyfriend’s birth mark has disappeared.

    1. Interesting question. I’ve been picturing time as sort of like a stream in which we are all rocks. We more-or-less stay put, but the time-stream sort of moves around us.

      Or maybe we get replicated somehow, so that one version keeps going in the original time line while the other takes a slightly different path, while still retaining a few of the original memories. Occasionally, the paths might meet at some point further along, which maybe accounts for reports of doppelgangers (people who look like exact replicas of yourself).

  17. I’ve been addicted to this website since I discovered the “Mandela Effect” a couple of months ago, and have many of the same major alternate memories (specifically those that I am old enough to remember). I wanted to get in on the conversation for some time, but refrained as I didn’t feel I had anything profound, or any new evidence to support any of the alternate memories. Actually, I’ve been hoping that I would stumble across something that I would be able to share. As with most things in my life, ask and I shall receive!

    I was watching the Big Bang Theory last night, specifically Season 3, Episode 4 (no. 44 in the series) “The Pirate Solution”. Howard enters Leonard and Sheldon’s apartment and joins Leonard and Penny in front of the TV. He says something along the lines of, “what are we watching? oh Sex in the City!”. This episode originally aired in October 2009. My apologies if this evidence has already been shared in a previous discussion.

    I will also share with you that upon first learning of the major memories I immediately called my Dad and Stepmom to quiz them, and did not tell them anything about what was “correct”. They agreed with NONE of the alternate memories, claiming Berenstain, Looney Tunes, Jif Peanut Butter, Sex and the City, etc. They were born in the late 1950’s. Conversely, my boyfriend and I remember all of the alternate memories. We were born in the late 1980’s.

    The universe is dynamic and I believe it is important to consider all the possibilities no matter how absurd they seem. All concepts that pushed the envelope and made us question what we thought we knew as true would have seemed absurd at the time. Thank you for hosting this forum Fiona, as there is nothing better than being able to share experiences in a positive environment that’s free of judgment!

    1. There was just a BBT marathon last week. A friend told me he caught 4 different MEs from episodes. I wondered what the odds are of that. That show seems loaded with all kinds of stuff.
      1. episode “The Precious Fragmentation”, ’09 – Leonard (Leo?) whining re: having to watch all 5 seasons of SexIn..City. (more interesting with an additional episode you mentioned, Stefanie)
      2. Fruit Loops – what the other astronauts gave Howard for a nickname (he ate them every a.m.)
      3. Curious George – the episode where Sheldon meets a little girl reading Curious George. She tells him “I’m reading Curious George. He’s a monkey”.
      Sheldon’s gf has a cartoon framed print of a monkey that kind of looks like him, hanging on her apt wall (she works with them).
      4. he said he thought it odd in another episode (season 3?) when they were standing in line at the theatre, going to see Raiders of the Lost Ark how there were 4 posters clearly in the background with Bernstein’s Dept Store on them.. he related it maybe to the Bernstein effect mentioned somewhere else on this site?

  18. I wanted to leave this comment on Page 10, but it seems that the comments are closed.

    Does anyone else remember Nichelle Nichols, Uhura from the original Star Trek, dying a year or two ago? I swear I saw George Takei post on Facebook about her dying, and saying that she was a pioneer who paved the way for other minorities in television. When I looked her up now though, it says she’s still very much alive.

    1. Christine and others, thanks for the alert about Comments Page 10 (where I’ve moved this). Now and then, a comment page seems to block comments. I’m not sure why that happens. Generally, it just once per page and — after I’ve manually changed the settings back to “allow comments” — it’s fine again. It’s odd, and I’m not sure if it’s a plugin conflict, an odd little glitch in my WP install, or something else.

      If you see this happen again, post immediately (anywhere at this site – all comments are on the same screen until I approve them) and I’ll correct the problem.

      1. Hi, I am kind of new here, and I as well left a significantly long comment on page 9, not knowing there was a page 10. Was it not approved? Or did it get lost because it wasn’t on the right page?

      2. People in this forum seem to be decent sort,where i live it’s more practical to shove away the,’stop’ or other inhibiting signs or simply ignore.

        1. Thanks, Vivek! I always appreciate your comments. And you’re right: people in this forum do seem to be decent sorts, in general. I’m very grateful for these conversations.

          1. I think most of us who experienced the Mandela effect feel slightly lost, what we knew to be real isn’t, want Isn’t real, is real.. and so because of this shared feeling we tend to gather together. It’s nice to know there are others who are as lost as me, makes the wobbling of the world less..

            1. Thanks, Martin Williams! I try to be mindful of the fact that I became aware of these time glitches and alternate memories, one at a time, over a period of years.

              However, I know that I haven’t a clue how overwhelming this must seem, to see one “everyone knows” memory after another appear changed, at best, in the space of minutes.

              I like to think this site connects people who are unsettled by these discoveries, and helps everyone see that they’re far from alone. In fact, this “sliding” effect may have been going on for centuries or longer, and — until now — people just came up with more dismissive explanations for it.

              I believe we’re all very normal. What makes us different is that we’ve reached a tipping point where the dismissive explanations — such as “just confused” — aren’t enough for us any more. And, as a result, we’re adjusting to a slightly new outlook on our experiences and memories.

              It helps to connect with others at sites like this. I’m grateful for your comments and the many others’ who visit this site and take time to share questions, theories, insights, and a general understanding of how very odd the Mandela Effect can seem.

              1. I think in part its information overload, without all this knowledge we have at our fingertips, we wouldnt really know anything. Am sure like me you remember pre internet days where all you had to go off is written words. reality then was Pinned down and static, and books didnt change that much over the decades, today when we have information flying around us, we notice that things are changing because of the information flow rather than having to rely on pinned static history. I do think that sliding, shifting altering of reality has happened since as far back as we can remember, there have been myths and legends from everywhere, and most myths have a small kernel of truth. I

              2. Hi, Fiona.

                While it’s wonderful to have this site, and be able to read other people’s comments, I found I really wanted someone in real life to talk about it with, too. I’ve spent at least a month contemplating the people I know, and trying to decide who would listen to me without it precipitating a mental health crisis. Or not dismiss me as a raving lunatic even if they refused to believe what I was saying. The ideal person would also be able to recognize some ME moments as well.

                I finally picked one of my friends, and bit the bullet Thursday night, and broached the conversation. I already knew she remembered Tank Man, while I remembered Tank Boy. It turned out she had the current memories on a few things that I had the alternates for. Not an auspicious beginning. Finally it turned out she remembered The Bernstein Bears (Berenstein for me), “It’s a beautiful day in THE neighborhood.” and “Mirror, mirror . . .” She wasn’t terribly receptive to the whole concept, though, until we got on the topic of geography (and there’s a lot to say on that one). I ended up printing out a one page map of the world, and we sat discussing the various points of “wrongness” of the whole thing. She really got into the concept after that, and we ended up talking about it for a solid 4 hours.

                I love this website, and I come here every day, but it really is a relief to have a friend I can talk to about it now. When I see her, and the first thing out of my mouth is, “Is So-and-So dead or alive?”, she’ll know why I’m asking and we can talk about it, and anything else new I’ve read here. But I’m in no hurry to mention the ME concept to anyone else I know, at the moment!

                (Oh, speaking of geography, so far I had just been looking at maps online. Then I remembered I have an atlas sitting on one of my bookshelves, so I hauled it out tonight. Yeah, it’s totally messed up too.)

        2. I agree Vivek, decent indeed. It does seem that the folks here have a certain combination of qualities (those who can remember other timelines, not second-guess themselves about it, and then also be proactive/brave/helpful enough to share) that make them…well…awesome lol I think that we can also attribute this atmosphere to Fiona’s skillful filtering; but then, she’s ONE OF US *que the Twilight Zone theme music* (please excuse ironic Rod S#erling reference).

            1. Whenever there is mention of twilight zone,i remember boris karloff comics and their surreal atmosphere.The day may not be far when we will be living in sci fi age,food joints churning out smacks from 3d printers,cars powered by ultra capacitors,shirts made up of solar cells,paper thin phones,super sanitized roads,linear cities with countryside within walking distance, etc.

    2. I never really got into Star Trek, but I absolutely without question remember the death of an older African-American actress from dying. It was a big deal. The character names sounds right. We’re there any other black actresses in the original series?

      1. I’ve always been a major fan of Star Trek, all the way back to the original series. When I was part of Bjo Trimble’s Star Trek conventions, I didn’t know Nichelle Nichols ( well, but I had met her. She’s a warm, funny, bright and caring person. As far as I can recall, she was the only regular female cast member with African ancestry.

    3. Christine: Yes! I’m sure I have a memory of tributes to Nichols about a year ago too! I had to go Wikipedia that and I’m stunned and delighted that Lt Uhura is apparently still alive now! Best ME ever!

      .. I suppose it would be weird and creepy to send someone a fan letter saying “So glad you’re not dead yet” wouldn’t it. but, I am.

      1. I am not dismissing any alternate memories but in my time line. I do know Nichelle nicols brother died a few years ago, via the heavens gate cult.. but she did have a health scare in 2015.. I think a lot of these effects are based on chance.. someone going in because of a health scare, they either survive or die.. and its a purely random chance.. thats the whole thing for me while i have valid memories of one reality, others have valid memories of their reality. how am i to say they are wrong when even my own memories are different from others and i KNOW they are correct. Part of me does say no no its wrong.. but then the rational side comes in and says their timeline is equally valid as mine

        1. That’s awful about Nichelle’s brother. I didn’t know about it until you posted. However, I doubt that many people would confuse those two events. In private comments, I’m seeing people describe the TV coverage of her death, and they recall the news reporters using photos from the space shuttle Enterprise rollout ceremony as they described Nichelle’s life. When I see other points of reference like that, I tend to take those posts seriously.

          1. I know but that was my first thought at hearing, I did hear that her brother wanted Nichelle to join the heavens gate.. it was on a crime and investigation episode. as i said i am not dismissing their memories as not being real.. thought it was interesting, I dont know if in one timeline she did join .. I know alternate history/realities exist and i think i have been in at least 4 mergers. so if someone believes she died then she died in their timeline..I cannot will not say someone is wrong because i know how it feels to feel lost and wrong.. when you KNOW for a fact you are right..their memory of that reality is equally valid as any other..

    4. Wow! She isn’t dead? This is so eerie. I have such vivid memories of her passing with in the last year or so. I remember watching my favorite Youtube channel that covers Nerd News and they discussed in detail how it was a great loss since she was such a pioneer for African American females in television. They showed various photos of her younger self in the enterprise. I searched their channel and that video is all but gone.

      This is absolutely the strangest to me since I feel this has happened so recently.

  19. Got another freaky one!

    Finding Nemo – of course one of the most quotable scenes in the movie was when Nemo was trying to pronounce the house he lived in. Anemonemene, anenonmone, anemonemene. how do you spell it? Anenome, right?


    Anenome is actually anemone. It doesn’t even feel right coming out of m mouth. Anybody else?

      1. At first I would have said, no, it’s Anemone. But…. didn’t the dad tell the joke, “with friends like these, who needs Anenome?”

        And, I never used to have problems pronouncing this word before. But now, it is quite the tongue twister. Anenome is what naturally wants to flow off the tongue. And the more I look at it, the more Anenome looks correct.

    1. George Mpouras, that’s clearly a mashup. As hoaxes go, it’s sort of clever but not especially convincing. It might be fun for some people, but it’s not part of what we’re discussing at this site.

  20. Had a random thought while reading through here the other day and it’s kind of just been floating through my head ever since, now keep in mind I have absolutely no understanding of quantum physics or multi dimensional theory, this is just a random thought, basically i had experienced a bit of deja vu recently and it got me thinking, could the experience of deja vu or what we call deja vu actually be a symtom of two or more universe’s or dimensions crossing paths or converging? Again I have little understanding of what I’m actually talking about its more of a curious inquiry than anything.

    1. There is also Deja vu is mostly i have been here before, which could be different universes with a slightly different time running a little faster or slower, but theres also Alter vu. which is more to do with parallel universes. where things are changing like locations. and the A/E worlds. But as a “sufferer” of Deja vu, I always try to break the deja vu by doing something completely out of the blue I get scared after a time i would be stuck in a few second future view.. (Seeing the future/deja vu its never enough to be truly useful just enough to be annoying LOL )

  21. California Dreamin’ by The Mamas and the Papas. I remember, “And I began to pray”, but now it’s
    “And I pretend to pray “. Someone else sent in this changed memory in 2009 on another site.

  22. I’d like to comment on a few things. specifically about WDW (Walt Disney World,Orlando.) I worked there for five years. I visited the parks before hand a few times but didn’t otherwise know much about Disney’s history.

    When I started working there (Hollywood Studios ’08) I was surprised at the amount of people that thought (and I guess still think) that the property has a dome that “comes up when there’s bad weather” My initial reaction when the guest asked me about the dome, was a blank stare. And I was really confused about it. Then one of my coworkers explained that the “Disney Dome” is a myth. Someone somewhere started a rumor about it, and now people think its true. Which btw it isn’t. The Disney World property doesn’t have walls or a fence for that matter (might have secure walkways/rails in certain areas but no real fence. Just lost of trees, rivers/lakes, gators and snakes)

    Secondly, I’ve had people ask me about the non existing monorail from the airport to WDW. I also met that with a blank stare. That one stumped a lot of the CMs. We have no clue where that started or why. The usual reaction the CMs have is “here we go again” but we do kindly explain that there was never a monorail form the airport to WDW. Some look confuse and keep going about their day and others swear up and down that at one point it does exist and that they want to talk to manager about it so that they could take it back to the airport. Only to be told the same thing again. We know that in Japan, they do have a sheltered area in their version of Main Street but it doesn’t cover the property. Its just that one area.

    Also, Cinderella’s Castle is the center of the park. No way any one can enter the park thru there. You can enter Fantasyland through the castle if you wanted, but not the park.

    Someone mentioned the Pirates of the Caribbean ride. I worked it at WDW but I’ve never been to DisneyLand (That’s the one in California for those who are confused about which park is which) but as far as I’ve understood it, both rides (WDW and DL versions) have a drop. Never heard anything different until it was mentioned here.

    Side note, Yes the Magic Kingdom has tunnels under the park. No, trucks/cars can’t go in, tunnels are too small for that.


    1. Great CM insights, Wrenlet, thanks! This helps establish what’s true about WDW in this reality.

      In public and private comments, the airport-to-WDW monorail and the concept of entering WDW (or Disneyland) through the castle are the predominant other-reality memories related to Disney theme parks. Some of those comments are remarkably detailed and consistent with one another.

      I’ve been to both Disneyland and WDW and, as I recall, Disneyland’s “Pirates…” attraction has a lesser drop than the WDW one, and it’s shortly after going past the Blue Bayou restaurant (similar to the Mexico attraction at Epcot, where guests cruise past the dining area). The Mexico attraction has no drop at the entrance to the attraction-specific part of the journey. Still, I don’t think anyone’s likely to confuse the Mexico attraction at WDW (FL) and the Pirates attraction at Disneyland (CA). So, I’m chalking this up to a reality shift.

      1. I live near Anaheim and used to work for Disney, though not at the park. Pirates of the Caribbean actually has two drops – one a little steeper than the other. I don’t even remember how old I was the first time I rode it, but have been riding it for years. I even rode it for charity multiple times in a row on a cast member night years ago.

  23. Dont know how accurate this is, but Someone who has experienced a few mandela effects, has created a video on youtube about these effects but at the end of it she said something interesting dont know how accurate but according to her and some of the people who live in new york there wasnt a bridge to staten island she does swear a bit, but you can see she is disturbed with about it.. and apparently other people are confused..

    1. Weird! I just looked up the bridge, and it’s called the Verrezano bridge. I have never heard of or seen this bridge before in my life. I visited New York as a teenager and I remember that you had to take a ferry to get to Staten Island.

      1. I have spent a lot of time in NY.
        Today, following a tube link to a conspiracy video, I heard of the Verrezano Bridge for the first time. (I am in my forties) While the video mused about manipulation of the image of the bridge behind the WTC, all I could think was, “What bridge?” The weird thing is though, as with many of such instances, I kind of shrugged it off – until I came upon this reference here at TME. Also weird is that, unfamiliar as this bridge/name is, the longer it sits on my screen, here, the more “normal” it starts to appear.
        For me however, this is a NEW bridge and the Ferry has always been the only way to Staten Island.

        1. The really weird thing is that Wikipedia assures us that the Staten Island end of the bridge has served as the starting point for the NYC Marathon race since 1976. I wonder how many marathoners remember running the race elsewhere–say, directly through New York City, and not across a bridge from Staten Island?

  24. Hello Fiona,

    Not sure if I am posting at the right place…

    Been browsing your site since 2 weeks already and found many intriguing things that prompted me to do some research. I am a 60 years old man, from Montréal, Canada.
    At first, I thought we might be moving between realities or dealing with time travel related manipulation of the past, that is, until the Maps situation came up. Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Madagascar locations looked quite wrong to me. I

    always enjoyed looking at maps as a kid and I still have a 1959 edition of the Rand McNally Space Age Atlas. So, needless to say that I was quite puzzled to see, in the 1959 Atlas, these Countries as they are today, even the Arctic Ice

    cap isn’t there, and get this, Mongolia shows up as a Country !
    I now question myself about the possibility that our consciousness may have been “Sliding” between parallel worlds.

    While many people have speculated that CERN might be involved, which is a possibility, I tend to regard the situation as part of the Frequency shift that we are actually going through, (Wave X ?).
    A bit like what was mentioned in another post on this site, one can change the radio station and hear the same song playing but with a different announcer.

    Indeed, it is being reported that our solar system is apparently gaining in vibrations frequency, also known as the Schumann Resonance (SR). The Earth has been “breathing” at a rate of 7.83 Hz for thousands of years, but since the early

    80s, it went up gradually to reach 16.5 Hz now, which is in harmony with the Solfeggio 528 or DNA repair frequencies. Higher vibration rates usually generates more heat therefore, more crazy weather patterns, more seismic activities as

    The sun is also affected by this raising frequency shift, could that explain why the sun seems whiter ?

    So many questions with no real answers for now, so, instead of going crazy over this, I just sit back and enjoy the ride…

    I was 13 when John and Yoko and a bunch of journalists recorded Give Peace a Chance, here in Montréal at the Queen Elizabeth Hotel !
    I was not aware of the Amsterdam bed in.
    I do remember Looney Tunes and Toons,
    Mandela died in the 80s and in 2013,
    For me, it was Alec Trebek, Pete Townsend, Smokey the Bear, Desi Arnez, Proctor & Gamble, JC Penny, Beam me up Scotty, Henry the VIII with a turkey leg, MLK shot with a long rifle (Sniper?), Sex IN the City, Interview with A Vampire,

    Nobody does it like Sara Lee, Mirror Mirror, Chartreuse as a dark purplish red color, the Tiananmen Square boy stopping the tanks, but never heard he had been ran over.

    Best regards,

    1. Oops, forgot to mention this when I was referring to the radio station change and frequency shift analogy…

      Considering that we seem to be changing frequency, would it be possible that our consciousness is able to see bits and pieces from a parallel world operating on another frequency ?


    2. The Sarah Lee thing is really bugging me… every year at Thanksgiving (which I always remember as the third Thursday in November) I make the same lame joke about my family putting me in charge of pie even though I’m the worse baker in the family, when I tell people about me having to make the pie I always add in a terrible baker & I’m not crazy enough to try a home made pie, but “Nobody does it like Sarah Lee”… nobody has ever corrected me…. some of my friends & family are definitely the type to say “don’t you mean…”

  25. Does anybody else recall the film Flight Plan with Jodie Foster? A wonderful movie about a mother who loses her child at an airport, then everybody around her tries to convince her that her child never existed in the first place. Was her child a daughter or son? Both my mom and I recall her having a son, but the movie actually shows her with a daughter. We’ve seen the movie multiple times so this would be a very significant change to not notice.

    1. If you’ve seen Flight Plan multiple times, I’m sure you know what you saw. I saw it and liked it – but it was the current reality – pretty little girl with longish hair. Also, she was lost while the plane was in flight, not at the airport.

    2. Wait so you had a Mandela Effect while watching a movie about a person who might have the Mandela Effect?

    3. While reading your post I was remembering a son, but when I read the word daughter, I suddenly felt… a strange sense of confusion. By the end of your post I was left *knowing* on the one hand that it was a son, but *remembering* it being a daughter. I can feel the knowledge of some scenes in which it’s a son, but I have the memories of it being a daughter. This is a strange one for me!

    4. There was a movie called “The Forgotten” which had that premise–the child got on a plane (to go to some kind of camp or something?) and then everyone tried to convince the mom that the child never existed. It was a son in that movie (although she teamed up with a man who’d lost a daughter in similar fashion). Could it be that movie that you’re remembering?

  26. Suffice to say, my weekend has been very difficult. A favorite YouTuber of mine referenced the whole Berenstein/Berenstain phenomena in a recent video, and while I don’t remember that one in particular, I couldn’t help but make an inquiry into the phenomenon, which inevitably led me — here. I have since found multiple examples of the Mandela Effect that definately make me wonder if something deeper is going on here. I will go into much more depth on all the various examples that I’ve identified at a later date, but I will just list 20 with brief descriptions for the sake of not taking up too much space in one post.

    1. Alaska — where on earth did those two large water indentations on the West coast of Alaska come from? Please tell me that I’m not the only one that doesn’t recall them being here. I lived in Alaska for 5 years, I saw the Alaskan map all the time, and just… yeah. In fairness, I haven’t looked at the map of Alaska specifically in awhile, but the second I pulled up the Alaskan map (someone mentioned Alaska on some forum), I immediately noticed the discrepancy, and I joke not, my whole body turned red and I walked out of my bedroom into my yard, sat down, and nearly broke down.

    2. Australia — Almost positive that it wasn’t that close to Indonesia.

    3. New Zealand — I recall it being NW of Australia, and one island, not two. The majority on this website seem to think that it was NE or E rather than SE of Australia. SE, to me, is the farthest from my mind.

    4. Svalbard — that land is huge! Where did it come from?? There’s no possible way that I wouldn’t have noticed it. Norway looks normal, but apparently Svalbard (north of Norway) is apart of it.

    5. Madagascar — much smaller and further south. I don’t recall there being an established government there, let alone 22 MILLION people. Hmmmm.

    6. Sri Lanka — another hot topic, but strangely enough I don’t recall exactly where it was (south of india, south west of India, ect).

    7. Interview with “A” Vampire, not Interview with “THE” Vampire. I honestly never read the book, or watched the movie, but for some weird reason I recall A instead of THE. Plus… THE just doesn’t sound right.

    8. Sex IN the City, not Sex AND the City. Never watched the TV series or movie, but my mom sure did! 100% Sex IN the CITY, because I heard about it ALL THE TIME from her and her friends.

    9. “21”, not “19” Kids and Counting. Also never saw the show, but I saw advertisements for it constantly when it was a “thing”.

    10. Sally Ride — apparently she was the first woman in space. I recall her being the teacher who died on the Columbia shuttle disaster. I know lots of people have different views of when the disaster actually occurred, but unfortunately I don’t recall any one date, but I absolutely recall what it was and who was on board.

    11. Mexican Flag — another revelation that almost made me break down last night. I recall red, white and orange (I think), but definitely not green, red and white and that symbol in the middle.

    12. Charles Lindbergh baby — I very much recall the baby never being found.

    13. Jiffy Peanut Butter. Not much else to say. I’m very sure of this, and I think the multiple online examples of people completely unfamiliar with the Mandela Effect still calling it JIFFY instead of JIF is proof of that.

    14. Mirror Mirror on the Wall, not Magic Mirror on the Wall. However, I could simply be remembering Lord Farquad’s rendition in the first Shrek film.

    15. Berenstein bears, but to be quite honest, I don’t remember hearing much about the show. I will however say that when you put into consideration that Stan BerenSTAIN was Jewish, BerenSTEIN just makes much more sense when you put into consideration the cultural aspect.

    16. Ghost Hunters, for me, was always the name of the show.

    17. All these claims of celebrity deaths having already occurred – in all honesty, I don’t really recall many of the deaths that people claim on this website having occurred earlier. This is probably because I didn’t really know many of these people to begin with. HOWEVER… Neil Armstrong, dead in 2012? Doesn’t sit well at all. 2013 sounds much better from my mind.

    18. Tank man — the only thing I remember is a still image of the event with the guy standing in front of the tanks. Therefore, I can’t be for certain if in my original timeline he was run over or not.

    19. Definately/Definitely — I have ALWAYS spelled it “definately” (def-in-ate-ly). Was I wrong all of these years? I can’t be for sure, because I honestly never paid much attention in English class. I can however say that I was awesome at spelling/vocabulary tests, so maybe I was in a previous timeline correct (no longer).

    20. Dilemma/Dilemna — I know it as Dilemma, but I have frequently seen people spell it Dilemna. I wish I could be more certain, but I never really used the word.

    In conclusion… I don’t know what to think right now. I’m still just blown away by the West coast of Alaska. I don’t understand how I can’t find more than 1 person who sees what I’m seeing. So again, if anyone here will please open up a map of Alaska, take a good look at the West coast, and tell me if that looks the way it used to. Anyways, I need to get back to working on my history paper and get it turned in before Napoleon changes to Napolean and I lose points for spelling and grammar.

    – Valaren

    1. Valaren,

      You are not crazy about Alaska. I watched it change in my timestream (or whatever this is) about a month ago. All kinds of geography is screwed up and I thought Alaska was the best evidence I had to prove to my family that things are changing and that I am not crazy. (Family is leaning towards crazy, unfortunately.)

      So here’s what happened. I learned about the Mandela effect several months ago and was blown away. I have an excellent memory and I am very literal and anal at times. I read the book Interview with a Vampire and loved it, saw the movie too. I am 100% certain of the title. Also 100% certain that it was Desi Arnez. Also Hitler had brown eyes. There are many, many more, but I would bet my life on those 3.

      But when I started looking at a map….I got vertigo. Since when is Alaska almost the size of the continental US all by itself? Answer: never. In fact, there used to be a trick question we had in school. What is the largest state in the union? Everybody would say Texas. But the answer was Alaska. So you’d go and look it up and see that yes, Alaska seems to be a bit bigger than Texas. A BIT bigger. Now, there is no comparison in size and that question would not even exist because it would be stupid. Alaska is ENORMOUS. So anyway, I got in the habit of looking at Alaska everyday. I was going to print out a map, cut out Alaska, and lay it over the west coast of the US because I saw that Alaska’s western coastline was very similar to the coast of California, so it would lay on top very nicely. Until one day I looked at Google Maps and suddenly the west coast of Alaska LOOKED NOTHING LIKE the west coast of California. Those two indents showed up out of the blue, presto. And they have been getting deeper too.

      You are not wrong. Your memory is correct. I saw it happen.

      Take a good look at Google Maps. Russia is 10 times bigger than any other country on the entire planet? Really? China is about the size of the Continental US? Is that the way you remember it? (China has always been larger than the US. Not anymore.) Cuba also had a growth spurt. The whole Delaware area is messed up. Of course Australia was never that close to Papua New Guinea. You could practically build a bridge between them. Who thinks that? WTF???

      1. It’s not even really so much the size of Alaska that I’m blown away by, but rather the geography itself. I lived in Alaska, there were maps of Alaska in all of my classrooms in elementary school, and I very much recall the West coast not having those massive water indentations. At the very least, they were much, much smaller. In fact, I remember being 12 years old bored one day and I decided to draw Alaska with a pencil and paper. I very vividly recall drawing the West side in a relatively straight/slight curvy line up until I got to the bottom left side. Obviously it gets real bumpy on the bottom going across horizontally, and then there’s the strain of islands in the shape of a tusk directly below it going west/south west. Could I have been delusional or ignorant at the time? Perhaps, but that’s a really big mistake to make having the map of Alaska in my face at school on a daily basis.

        Also, look at how close Russia is now to Alaska. 55 MILES separates the two. I always knew that they were somewhat in the vicinity of one another, but 55 MILES!? I think this is a good time to bring up something Sarah Palin once said (I would be glad to call upon her incompetency as a politician, but that’s beside the point), and that was her claim that you can see Russia from Alaska… which you can. Granted, you can only see the island between the two (Diomede island), but it’s still owned by Russia. Overall, however, Russia looks the same to me (at least from what I can remember), other than the fact that it appears to protrude further eastwards. Anyways, I just wanted to bring that up because it really puts into perspective how close Russia and Alaska really are. Was that always the case? Hmmmm.

        1. I too used to live in Alaska and have been watching it for the last month or so since I found ME. You are correct the water has come into the western side…. what bothers me is the eastern side because that’s where I lived. Petersburg, ak. We used to take the ferry to Ketchikan which was a fairly good size town but it’s now Sitka… and where Sitka was is now Ketchikan and it keeps getting smaller in size each week…. this has baffled me but I’ve literally been watching Alaska change daily for a month…. so your not wrong… it’s happening… and tomorrow will be different too.

        2. I completely agree on the alaska thing! Also… Is it just me but when i was little my parents always had me pointing out places on a map… GREENLAND AND ICELAND were not right beside each other? Just me being crazy or does anyone else notice this????

          1. Savannah, that particular geography was never my strong suit, but everything between Newfoundland and Scandinavia has looked a little odd to me, lately. I’d chalked it up to how little I studied it, and that may still explain why it seems odd to me, now, but… yes, that’s one of several things that seem unfamiliar on maps.

      2. I was looking at Google Maps and trying to decide if Alaska really is that huge or it’s just the map projection making it look bigger than it is. But it seems to be gigantic now, no matter what map is used. And the Aleutian Islands don’t look right. Weren’t they more northerly? I’m not real sure on that, though. The west coast is way more jagged than I remember. It’s also REALLY close to Russia now. It was close before–maybe 140 miles?– but now I’m pretty sure you could paddle an inflatable raft across and say hello. I won’t be at all surprised to wake up one day and see that Russia and Alaska have joined together, with millions of people acting like it has always been that way. I’m going to write that down so I’ll have a record that it was different once!

        Does anyone else think the Mediterranean Sea looks different? It looks too narrow to me, and Italy seems to take up more space inside it than it used to. Sicily seems much bigger.

      3. I’ve lived in the tri state (AKA Delaware, Pennsylvania, New Jersey) area my whole life and it’s not messed up at all, at least for me. Alaska does look different though. I used to look at Alaska on google earth all the time, I don’t know why but I was always really interested in it, I think it was partly because of all the unusual names, and because my class had a sled dog racing pen pal from Alaska when I was in elementary school. Alaska is also way closer to Russia then it used to be, and Asia looks completely wrong. Also has anyone else noticed the Georgian Bay attached to Lake Huron? There’s no way that was there before because I had to draw out the great lakes in a couple of my history classes in the past and I have never seen or heard of that.

    2. Yes, I remembre Alaska’s westcoast looked differently. It didn’t have these three marked peninsulas. Also Alaska had an overall different shape, it was larger relative to its height. The coastline of Siberia was more symmetrical with the coastline of Alaska. Now Siberia’s edge is very thin and is symmetrical not with Alaska itself but with the middle peninsula of Alaska.
      About ten years ago I had to do with a lot of people from Khabarovsk, at a college in Germany. I looked up where Khabarovsk was. It was ca 900km west of Vladivostok. Now this is no longer true. Vladivostok looks out of place while Khabarovsk is where it seemingly belongs. Now Vladivostok is south of Khabarovsk, not east, and only 756km away.

    3. Valaren,

      I also remember Alaska not having such distinct bodies of water on its West coast .. I was able to find some antique maps showing the peninsula between the water as being much shorter, which made the two bodies of water much less noticeable than now, but like you my memory of the shape of the state is very different from what we see now.

      What has me the most concerned is that I have a distinct memory of Wales being located North East of Scotland, instead of attached to the West coast of England… This was mentioned on another site, so there are other people who also have this memory.

    4. We have all been there my friend. Dont worry you are not alone there probably lots of others who see it but dismiss it as oh a false memory, even if things have changed i feel there is an inertia and a blaming of yourself oh it must be my memory, when it isnt its reality thats changed. and anyone who has ever felt the shock of something like that it is disturbing. but most of us on this board are accepting as we have changes ourselves. So dont worry you are amongst friends here..

    5. Okay, I’m freaked about Alaska, too. :-). Awesome catch.

      For me, Alaska changed sometime after April, because that’s when I spent a lot of time looking at world maps because I was so freaked that Mongolia was its own country and not part of China.

      As I was looking at maps now, does the Baja California area look really strange, too? I can’t say what’s changed, it just looks “off” to me.

      1. YES! Baja California is not right. The whole peninsula of Mexico is leaning towards the Atlantic when it should pretty much run almost south with the US coastline. The Gulf of California was shaped differently. At the bottom it curved before going to the ocean. If you drew a line from Florida going south, you should crash into an area between Sao Luis and Belem. Now you would hit Columbia. There is an island off of Ecuador that wasn’t there before.

        The first thing I did notice with maps was that Mongolia was a country and not part of China. I freaked out over it. Like, anxiety attack freaked out. And Russia is absolutely gigantic! Holy land mass! But it was 200 miles (give or take a few) from Russia.

        Is this world just smaller? Because it really seems like it! We took a trip from Atlanta to So Cal back in 2005 and we often comment on our 3,000 mile trip. Only, now it is a little over 2,100 miles trip. When we planned the trip, we did an over all and broken down from place to place. The overall (counting every stop) was 3,000 miles. When I enter the same route now, it is 2,140 miles. I am so confused. I know that trip was 3,000 miles. I wore it like a metal of honor. “I drove 3,000 miles, in my van, with kids, and no hotels!”

    6. Oh, thank you for mentioning Alaska!! I had a visceral reaction to your post because I’ve been upset for a few days. I’m feeling a little shaken up because not only does Alaska look vastly different in shape, its also shrunk and moved west. “My” Alaska was always directly over Canada. Like you, this ME is the one that has made me really sit down and question my sanity. I’ve been hesitant to post this until I saw your comment.

      I’ve got a whole batch of MEs, most of them the same ones you’ve mentioned, and this topic isn’t new to me. I post frequently on reddit’s ME and Glitch subreddits, but the Alaska thing has just completely stunned me. It has MOVED. How can that be?

  27. I’m an 80’s baby and I do remember it being BerensTEIN Bears. Also I was just singing the Mr. Rogers song to my daughter the other day and I said “It’s a beautiful day in THE neighborhood.” I used to watch that all the time, I know it was never “THIS”. But CHIC-FIL-A and CHICK-FIL-A is one that baffles me because I always remember it missing a letter which I though was K.

    1. I thought it was Chic-Fil-A, too! I actually had an argument with my husband about it. He said “Trust me, I love it. It’s Chick.” He was right. But it didn’t make sense to me for some reason.

  28. While I continue to think more about this phenomenon, and subsequently, more about my own alternate memories, I continue to remember more and more, and also continue to believe more that something has definetely/definately changed our current timeline. I’m still processing possible theories as to how or why this is happening.
    My most recent alternate memory is extremely vague at the moment, almost as if I don’t believe my own memory. I remember discovering this topic in another reality, except in that reality it was called the “mandel effect”, and had to do with the death of comedian Howie Mandel in the 1980’s. This memory is very faint as I said, but I know I didn’t dream up “mandel effect”. It was stored somewhere in the deep recesses of my memory. I obviously know that Howie Mandel is not dead in this timeline or reality. Does anyone else have any recollection of this besides me?

      1. Mandel
        The A again! Anyone see a pattern?

        I always believed Howie Mandel died, until I saw him on Deal or No Deal and he changed his looks.

        Could we possible wake up and see it’s The Mandel Effect. Since we know about it, we’d notice, right? Fiona I would assume you would have coined it there as well! Interesting.

    1. I remember awhile back someone I worked with made an off-handed flippant comment about the “Berenstein effect” and then said “BOOM! That must it!” I tried not to be nosy and wandered off. I thought they were just being weird. Now I wonder if there is a reality out there with the “Berenstein Effect”. And I wonder if you, Fiona, coined that one too. Or if Boom was an “inside joke” about it that I didn’t get. Or just a comment. Man, I am actually making my head hurt.

  29. WALES HAS MOVED ?!?!

    I was checking out another site of Fiona’s concerning the Mandela Effect and saw a map of the United Kingdom.. It shows Wales now being the on the west coast of England.. I clearly remember it being North East of Scotland.. I looked at maps just a few years ago of the entire area because I was planning a trip there, though I was never able to make the trip due to my Mom’s bad health.

    I was planning to travel to Ireland first and then head over to England.. Then my plan was to go up Scotland but probably not travel as far north as Wales… This memory of where Wales was located is so strong that I couldn’t believe what I was seeing on the current map!

    The shape and size of Wales looks the same but now Scotland appears to be much larger that what I remember it being and seeing Wales as now part of England’s West coast was pretty shocking to me.

    According to the other site there are people who remember the location of Wales being North East of Scotland.. Is there anyone on this forum who remembers this??? I know a lot of people remember that New Zealand used to be in a different location.

      1. I live in the west of England and I am Welsh. In my experience Wales has always been west of England, the history of Wales would be radically different if not. The Normans planted colonies – Welsh Marcher Lords and new towns – in Wales. One of my ancestors is from such a new town, New Radnor. The west of England also has a lot of Welsh cultural factors – Cumbria had a dialect of Old Welsh (Cumbric), the county of Monmouthshire was ambiguously Welsh and English due to it being in the interior of the Norman Marcher Lordships, the counties of Shropshire, Gloucestershire and Herefordshire were highly affected by the Welsh over the centuries. The river Severn – the longest river in the British Isles and the second highest tidal range in the world – was the frontier of Roman Britain and has a Welsh name (Hafren). It rises in Wales.

        Of course if the ME is real your reality might be greatly different. Welsh is the language that would have been spoken in Britain before the antecedent groups that formed the modern English people came. The term Welsh – and Wales – are not Welsh, our native ethnonym is Cymri (cum-ri or coom-ri) and this traditionally signalled kinship with the Cornish, the Bretons and the men of the Old North, a Welsh kingdom that covered the south of Scotland to Cumbria.

        There’s also Northern Ireland. The politics of Ireland are complicated (I am part Irish myself) but theoretically in an alternative history the Welsh of the Old North might have conquered all or part of Ireland or even perhaps the island groups West or Northwest of Scotland? Or even perhaps the Faroes or Iceland (Iceland would certainly fit the idea of much further north)? If history played out differently there’s no reason a Welsh speaking people – called Welsh by the English, Scottish (meaning Southern Scots, who spoke Scots – a dialect of English or some say language closely related to English) – could have a country in a different location to “our Wales” referred to as Wales by such English-speaking people. That version of Welsh history is much less likely to have had Norman Marcher Lords as there would have been no Welsh Marches, no English teachers in Wales imposing the Welsh Not, no Welsh archers at Agincourt or fighting for Edward Longshanks in the attempt to conquer Scotland (almost certainly no William Wallace [William Wallace means William the Welsh, as he was likely descended from Welsh-speaking Cumbric people], no Braveheart movie). Henry VIII was also part Welsh so if – like me – you’re from a Turkey leg painting reality then it makes it less likely that Wales could be elsewhere.

        An interesting one though. I hope Fiona doesn’t mind my overly detailed post on Welsh history and identity, I thought some background would be useful.

        1. Alex (in the UK), thanks for taking the time for that detailed post! I definitely enjoyed reading it. The history and geography of the British Isles fascinate me, so I’ve always wondered how the Formorians fit migration patterns (and where they went), and whether Hy-Brasil is another Mandela Effect issue.

          1. Ah the disappearing islands – definitely an interesting phenomenon around the coasts of many countries and could very well be an ME issue. The Formorians and the Tuath Dé are very mysterious. The mythologies of the Celts mention a great clash between the Nemedians – an ancient mythological Celtic clan – and curiously enough there is also mention of a tidal wave in the same myth that ends the Formorians and spreads the proto-Welsh to the four corners of the ancient world. I’ll stop there to avoid the risk of going ever further off topic!

            1. Alex (in the UK), you’re speaking my language. LOL! The Formorians are such an amazing mystery, and I get caught up in the lore whenever the topic is mentioned. I’ve often wondered if they came from or went to a parallel reality. Few other people (more or less) are described in such vivid terms, and then abruptly near-vanish from storytelling. Odd, and so interesting! (And yes, off-topic, but this is such a curious mystery.)

        2. Alex,

          Thank you so much for that informative reply! .. Since you are from Wales and know the history of your country and surrounding countries, it appears impossible that Wales was ever located anywhere else than where it is now.

          I don’t know why I, or other people, remember seeing Wales located North of Scotland.. I remember seeing maps showing that but now think I must have just imagined it.

          Thanks again for a great history lesson on a region I would love to visit one day.

          1. You are very welcome, and I am glad I did not offend you. As I mentioned in my post if the ME is a real phenomenon the linguistic aspect does open the possibility of another version of Wales.

  30. Ok, so I figured I would just go ahead and make a list of my own ME memories or else I could talk all day.
    A little background on me I was born in 1987 lived all my life in central California.

    “Mirror, mirror” not magic mirror
    “If you build it, THEY will come”
    “It’s a beautiful day in THE neighborhood”
    “LUKE, I am your father”
    Sex IN the City
    Berenstein Bears.
    FRUIT Loops.
    Looney TOONS.
    Andrew ZIMMERMAN, not Zimmern.
    Desi ARNEZ
    I never heard Mandela died in prison.
    Hitler had brown eyes not blue.
    Jeb Bush was the cousin, not brother.
    The heatwave in the 90s killed hundreds not thousands.
    The positions of Japan, New Zealand, and Hawaii feel off.
    Florida looks smaller, Baja California longer, and Cuba shaped different.
    The shape and size of China, almost as if Mongolia was not there in the past.
    Many grammatical changes in English, I assumed they just kept changing the dictionary.

    There may be even more but these are the things that I can say for sure(so far). I feel that reading through the comments here has been healthy for my memory and I am very grateful I found this site! Thank you for creating this forum!

  31. These are just some music related ones.

    I know it was mentioned waaay back in the comments about the Billy Currington video for “Good Directions” not ever being official. However, I swear I saw it on GAC a few months ago as a throwback video. I don’t remember there being a video though when the song was popular.

    Another one is, I swear that the current country song “Buy Me a Boat” by Chris Janson came out about 9 or 10 years ago. When I first heard it a couple months ago I thought it was an old song that I hadn’t heard in a while, just to find out it was brand new this year, came out in March, and it’s an original song and not a remake. On Friday’s we set the TV’s at work to CMT/GAC and I remember it being popular and listening to it then, watching the video and talking to coworkers about it, then the song just stopped being played an I forgot about it. I thought it was just a one hit wonder. Now it’s back. None of my coworkers from that time remember it.

    I also remember Smokey the Bear. Someone mentioned on here that the only mention of Smokey the Bear in this timeline is in some song and that’s where the confusion is. I’ve always believed there were only 50 states, however, I also saw a comment about how 52 states are mentioned in a handful of rap songs in this timeline, I went and checked those lyrics and sure enough, the comment was correct. It could be that whoever wrote those lyrics believed “Smokey the Bear” and “52 States” are in their reality, and the ME effect doesn’t change their lyrics in the timeshifts. I need to check some other genres of music and see if there are any other ME references in music.

  32. Does anyone else remember seeing Bobby McFerrin was dead on Pop up Video? It was during his video for “Dont Worry Be Happy”. I still love pop up video, and I remember seeing it as recently as 3-4 years ago.

    The only thing that comes up now is that it was a hoax.

    1. When something is a hoax — and some hoaxes continue for quite awhile before anyone speaks up to correct impressions — it’s easy to confuse it with a reality shift. In this case, I’m not sure it’s Mandela Effect.

      1. Sometimes in the deepest part of the night, i wonder if some of the hoaxes aren’t sometimes a bleed from another timeline then when this reality that the authors actually remember it and write it as such, then when in this timeline its false, the author then has to find a way to discredit himself and agree as its a save his reputation, of course some will be done maliciously and as a joke but it could be a few are a mandela memory (as i said this is a 3 am thought so could be totally irrational but its a thought)

    2. Yes! I thought he was dead too after watching the pop up video! I thought that’s why we haven’t heard anything about him in years!

  33. Time Magazine reported this year on a long term study of people’s memories of September 11, 2001. The study was led by William Hirst. Apparently 40 percent of these memories have changed in 14 years.

    “Human memory is fallible”, yes. But could Mandela Effect be another possible factor perhaps?

    1. Off topic, but I clicked this link to read the article about people misremembering 9/11 & right in the middle and ad for Smokey Bear…
      (I remember Smokey The Bear) & so must a lot of people if you search Smokey The Bear a lot of results come up.

      1. Ooohh, interesting Stephanie. I just left this thread for a moment to pull up a map of the world, and got a pop-up ad for The Home Depot, which is also discussed on this site. Hmmmm.

  34. I just saw a commercial on the Disney Channel for a new show called “Disney Descendants Wicked World.” In it, one of the main characters says, “Mirror Mirror what does our future hold”.
    If it was historically “Magic mirror…” why are the Disney descendants saying it incorrectly?

    1. Going with a theme here:
      If the parents of the descendants were booted out of the world onto an island where they were no longer able to use their magic then the mirror would not be so magical anymore. I guess the story line is saying they use the ” mirror mirror” reference because of their lost power.
      Almost like hinting that current phenomenon of people remembering “mirror mirror on the wall” were once a part of a family that was booted out. However, if they are no longer confined to the island then their magic can be and has been restored; hence “magic mirror” is the current future and “mirror mirror” a glimme of the past. (It can not be this simple–what is the catch?)

  35. Less Than and Greater than signs have switched…. was less than as I remember until recently. How I always remembered was that my teachers always drew shark teeth on the greater than sign so that we would tell the difference, also the greater than sign would always face the smaller number to indicate that it was “eating” the smaller number. For me 12 is greater than 8 would have been 12<8 now, this reads 12 is less than eight. Thing is before my son finished Kindergarten this past June, this was one of the last units he had, and his then teacher taught the signs the same way I was taught. Either these signs changed sometime between May/April and July of this year or his former teacher still still thinks that's the way these signs are written based on the way she was taught and is/was unaware of the shift.

    Verrazano Bridge:

    First time I've seen it. Interesting enough though there is a video about 9/11 that shows the exact same bridge in back of the towers. The bridge was very holographic looking. The video was actually about holographic projection during 9/11.

    The Christ Statue/Corcovado:

    That statue was HUGE, like towering over the city HUGE, and I had no idea on was in Peru also. Interesting enough last year it was struck by lightening and it was captured on camera. I'm wondering people noticed these changes before or after.

    Andrew Zimmern was indeed Andrew Zimmerman

    I do believe CERN and our shifting/rising has to do with all these changes and for me that's good. I do not see CERN as a threat as many do/ or as it may have been originally created as. I see it now as sort of an assistant to us as Earth and us continue to rise in frequency…No one has to agree, just my view.

    1. A quick check on google shows that the greater and less than signs are still as you’ve described them, but at least you now know your child’s kindergarten teacher is an idiot.

      1. I know what they are now and I was actually stating that FOR ME they were the opposite of what they are now up until recently(meaning that the greater than sign was less than and the less than sign was greater than); and the teacher at that time taught them AS I REMEMBERED them as she must have remembered them the opposite way herself.

        [Edited – Apparently, Tee recalls the greater-than and less-than signs being the opposite of what they are now, and Tee assumes that teacher had a similar, alternate memory or history. And, it seems that Tee is also sensitive to comments about that teacher.]

      2. Hang on, Willam, Tee wrote learning “128). If Tee remembers the opposite, it could be a Mandela effect

        1. I believe that Tee was trying to convey a Mandela Effect experience. (Being dyslexic, I’m glad I’m in the reality where I can recall that “< looks like L, for 'less than'." If it were the other way around, I'd have really struggled with maths.) Tee's context was a little confusing, and William's sarcastic humor seemed to hit a raw nerve, which didn't help. (Since my humor tends to the sarcastic at times, his comment slipped right past me. I didn't realize how annoying it might seem.)

    2. Regarding the “corcovado” in Peru.

      I can assure you is not at ME. Between 2009-2011, the former president Alan García was involved in the proyect of a “replica” of the Corcovado. I think this was a political move he did at the end of his term, so people could remind him.

      Greetings from Perú

    3. Tee, that is an incredibly interesting (and insightful) idea about CERN’s LHD, that, no matter how irresponsible/insidiously influenced/dangerous it may be, on a Cosmic scale (or reality at it’s most irreducible,i.e. energetically) this human meddling may inadvertently assist Us in our collective spiritual evolution. Even if it is through recovering from the damage done to space-time or us understanding quantum mechanics better through trying to cope with an altered reality or from dealing with the negative spiritual ramifications of several pounds of anti-matter being siphoned into this dimension (Google it, this is one of their goals), the end result could be a stronger, or maybe even collectively enlightened, Us. It brings to mind the concept of Man being part of nature and so that our pollution and nuclear detonations are no more unnatural than the destructiveness of a beaver’s habits/instincts. I don’t think that anything, no matter how seemingly destructive or “unnatural”, that is possible within the Cosmos/Multiverse, can bring it any harm. Even if CERN’s LHC, as Stephen Hawking is concerned, will “destroy the universe” ( ), the universe, according to the Big Bang and Big Crunch theories, the universe is continously destroying and recreating itself, so everything will be ok. Things would be even better if someone could explain to me why physics theories always sound children’s breakfast cereals. FrOOt Loops, anyone? 🙂

  36. I specifically remember the episode where Fonzie of Happy Days passes away. I remember how it was broken to Richie, and how he rebelled in frustration and anger in response to his death. I am trying to find other threads regarding this in specifics but can’t.

    1. Kathryn, most related comments are part of longer lists of anomalies. The best non-anomalous answer to this issue is in this comment: (Basically, Fonzie’s death was a ruse in the show, and resolved in the second of a two-part episode. Anyone who missed the second part was likely to think Fonzie died. If that’s not a reasonable explanation for your memory, let me know in further comments.)

  37. If we declare that 80% of ME topics could be false flags,will it be called a retrograde step ?.I don’t suppose so,even 20% is a huge anomaly,the rest of 80% may be used by Perry Mason to dispense justice or better still as a valid argument to evade confrontation.

  38. Hello everyone! Hope you’re all coming through this. Anyway, reading Timothy Leary’s, Your Brain is God. I’m not a big fan of The Who, but Pete Townshend doesn’t sound right. Still, with the ME, I don’t get too involved with memories that aren’t strongly anchored. I’m not sure if this proves anything, but these anomalies I always find interesting. On page 104 of the book, Leary clearly refers to him as Peter Townsend for what it’s worth. Certainly it could be a typo, but thought I’d throw it out there. Warm regards, Jason

    1. I’ve never seen it spelled Townshend until now. Weird! It doesn’t look right at all.

  39. He was definately Andrew Zimmerman. My ex-wife watched his show religiously. And I remember the Less Than/Greater Than signs the way Tee does, too; our teacher illustrated the Greater Than sign as an “alligator mouth” eating the smaller number. I also remember the HUGE, towering Christ statue as well. When someone mentioned that it appeared to be significantly smaller now, my immediate reaction was to rationalize this by surmising that arial photographs had merely given it the appearance of having been much bigger than it actually was. But when I searched Google images I saw that the current arial shots don’t make it look any bigger; if anything, they make it look even smaller!

  40. Last thought today in regards to the Mandela Effect at the Mandela Effect website. Had several peculiar experiences when I first arrived of posts not appearing and then reappearing. I’m not suggesting anything u towards in regards to you Fiona. I was obsessed with this place until *I* got my Thanksgiving confirmation. I thought it would resonate with more people, but it was always the Third Thursday for Thanksgiving. I remembered using the alliterative tool. At any rate, if I may offer my opinion…a lot of what I’ve been reading since moving away from this site suggests that the world is a digital reality that can be changed based on each persons thoughts, feelings and projections. I know as an athlete that visualization was a powerful tool for me when I competed. Anyway, if you’re like me, you NEED answers. I gather that has something to do with my O- blood type, or I’ve just gone completely insane with YouTube videos. Oh well. It beats the propaganda on television. Many thanks, Fiona, and good luck everyone. This idea helped me find a modicum of peace. I hope it’ll help you. Warm regards, Jason

    1. Per my thoughts yesterday, these two posts were constructed relatively close to one another. There certainly wasn’t a 48 minute delay. When I used to be on Facebook, that’s how I’d post. One thought follows another. It’s just the way my mind works. Time and reality is malleable folks. You’d better believe it. I only wonder if I can close the gap between what I believe and truth before it’s too late. I believe I can and we can. We can collectively change the reality of this world with directed thoughts of love, harmony, acceptance and peace. The powers that be have inundated all of us with ideas of status, wealth and ego. That’s their game to keep you from understanding and overtaking them. IMO, the ME is a very clear clue that yes, the world can change and is changing in flux. Scientifically, the earth is vibrating at a higher frequency. So are all of you. The people who don’t question are ostensibly automated robots conditioned to conform. Sadly, many of my family members are trapped in that same matrix. I can’t save them. You can save yourself. Don’t let them win. Love is the answer. Warmest regards, Jason

  41. Hi Fiona I saw your website thru reddit and found shocking what I’ve been reading I didn’t know there was so many memories out of sync and things that as today don’t make any sense I’ll tell you my experiences with this comment hopefully I’m not the only one that’s freaked out about it, I’m still a bit shocked and freaked out !

    the first thing I noticed was “Sex in the city” although I was never a fan I saw the commercials so many times in tv and my family used to watch it sometimes I’m 80% sure it was called Sex in the city and not Sex and the city like I said I’m not a fan of the show really never watched any episodes but the name I can’t forget the name and since I’m not a fan I say 80% but am pretty sure it did not have “and the city” that’s just wrong

    OK the thing that shocked me the most are these two things because I am 100% that they are wrong I grew up with these things when I was a kid I saw them many times thru my life I’m 100% they are wrong one would be “Looney toons” they’re NOT Looney tunes that’s super messed up ! I watched the cartoons ALOT when I was a kid I know it was toons not tunes also I have a few Looney toons toys from mcdonalds, stuffed animals and some cards that I have not checked if they changed to “tunes” but even if I checked I don’t think this is the original timeline I was born in otherwise they’d be called Looney toons

    the second thing that I am 100% it did change was “Fruit Loops” I ate those most of my life and grew up with them I’m 100% sure they were not called Froot Loops that’s so messed up THESE TWO THINGS HAVE BEEN FREAKING ME OUT the past days because unlike Sex in the city I grew up with Looney toons and Fruit loops I know what they were called am not crazy It’s the way I remember them

    third thing would be the epic “Luke I am your father” from star wars I remember that line all my life after watching the movies I’m not a big fan of star wars but I loved the movies specially the first trilogy it is really messed up it is not the same anymore and people think everyone who say Luke I am your father is wrong or we’re called lunatics/crazy that’s really messed up but we can’t do nothing about it 🙁

    about mandela I really have no idea to be honest I’d be lying if I said I remember him dying in the 80’s my history memories are rusty as hell when it comes to Africa, there’s a few things that I could have had remembered but I’m not 100% sure not even 50% sure that’s why I don’t count them like Sex in the city, Looney toons and Fruit Loops.. this is the list of things that they seem familiar to me but I’m not sure about them

    Jiffy PB
    Barbara Streisand
    Kate Perry
    Muhammad Ali’s Death

    I remember seeing in the news Muhammad Ali had died and remember my uncle talking about it, but I’m not 100% he died, he had medical issues I could make a mistake with these memories same thing with Jiffy I have vague memories of the PB the name is super familiar again am not confusing it with Skippy just feels familiar can’t really say I remember Jiffy while growing up because I’d be lying but they are a bit familiar to me the only things I can confirm 100% are the ones I mentioned first which would be SITC, LT, FL and Star Wars epic line

    I am so freaked out I’m thinking if I should tell my family about it don’t want them to think I’m crazy or a lunatic in fact this is the first time I’m telling this to the public lol but after reading so many comments and so many people thought I’d share my 2 cents about it I don’t even know how I ended in this strange universe though I am not alone! either I jumped into a parallel universe or someone must have changed the past and screwed up things up what do you think?

    1. Julian, it could be a little from Column A and a little from Column B. That is: you may have slid in and out of a few alternate realities (along with a whole lot of other people), and some of our history may have been changed by time travelers.

      I’m pretty much open to any reasonable explanation for why so many people remember things differently.

      Whether you tell your family is up to you. I grew up in a household where this kind of topic was suitable for the dinner table, and friends’ parents were working in theoretical sciences so it was a common topic at their homes, as well. However, at least two close relatives are convinced the rest of us are a bit far out on the scale of eccentricity. We agree to disagree, but — frankly — I think the rest of us are leading far more fun, interesting lives.

      1. My mum in her 80’s i ask her hey heres a question, ask them questions as if you are checking your memory, then say its strange i could have sworn it was x.. then if they have the same memory as you, then you can say how about.. that way you can “blame” your bad memory, its a way to broach the subject just to test the waters

    2. Sex in a city,is a lousy thing.Sex in country could be quite an experience provided it’s not illicit.Sex in suburbs may be the most practical option,even if it’s illicit,lady Chatterley can vouch for that.

  42. I have brought a lot of these changes to some of my coworkers and most have remember a lot of these things that are different in this present reality. Sex in the city, Mr Rogers THE neighborhood and mirror mirror on the wall seem to really hit home with them as does Berenstein. For the record Alaska does look very odd as I don’t remember that peninsula sticking out the West Coast as well as Australia being way to north and New Zealand being on the wrong side of Australia.
    I want to add a strong ME mandella effect experience that I had a couple months ago but prior to learning about this phenomenon (Just the Berensteins was what I was aware of). I was watching Spirit Science to learn more about Atlantis and other topics and he mentioned that in the underground room beneath the Sphinx that some say the capstone of the Great Pyramid may be found. I was thinking, “Say what? What is he talking about? Capstone from the Great Pyramid?!?!” It made little sense to me because I have always been highly interested in the 3 large pyramids in Giza and especially the largest. It was in the reality I was in previously in incredible shape for something of its age. Strong, clean, fortress looking pyramid. It was in almost new condition from what I remember. So I pull up the Great Pyramid online and boom it looks rough…falling apart a bit…not what I remember but I questioned if I didn’t remember it right for some reason. Then I saw the flat top and new I jumped to a parallel reality. No question. The Berenstein Bears changing names and the Pyramid looking rough I could play off to memory mistakes but the top is flat! I also hadn’t ever until my mid 30’s of the words ornery, salty(when used as a adjective), or ginger (to describe a red head). NEVER heard them until about 2011. Oh year I am a read head so yeah.

    1. Shawn, I just searched images for the great pyramid (just now, 9/23/15 4:47 local time), and I didn’t see a flat top in any of the pictures that came up. I believe you though!

        1. Gavin, I did a Google search using one phrase from that article, “this capstone would have been huge and weighed a tremendous amount.” I found pages & pages of articles using the exact same text. That tends to decrease the credibility of the article.

          The information might be true, but I’d want to see it from a more reliable source.

    2. Ginger wasn’t coined until 2005, it was a word that the TV show South Park made up to make fun of red heads. So in 2011, it would have been fairly a new slang term. But ornery has been around in my timeline forever, my great grandpa used to use that word a lot to describe me when I was being bad lol.

      1. I thought Ginger was more of a British thing, originally. I don’t think South Park made it up, but borrowed it. I think I first read it in the Harry Potter books.

        1. I agree, Julia. In my memory, it’s been a British thing for as long as I’ve had auburn hair… meaning my entire life or most of it. (And, since I’m not 10 years old, the expression pre-dates the 2005 South Park reference… or it did in the reality of my childhood.)

      2. “Ginger.” This one is fun. I moved from USA to UK in 70s as a child, so I have seem a lot of language exchange. “Ginger” has been a UK expression for red heads for many years (in this reality!) and I have watched it become popularised via internet and tv in USA over the years. I think South Park in particular enjoyed the quirky British use of the adjective as a noun, too: “He’s a ginger!” (NB I am a ginger and proud!!) Sometimes British people pronounce the word to rhyme with singer – this is always offensive.
        To show you the opposite in action, some years ago on a writing course, I wrote a piece set in the 70s in the USA and used the expression “gross.” I was corrected by someone who said that expression was far too modern for the 70s as it was a recent slang term – as it was still in the UK pre-2010. I love the word “ornery” though, and I wish it would take off here in UK!!!
        Hope you don’t mind me putting in my 2 cents (or tuppence) here – I am fascinated by the ME and I believe I have witnessed a lot of phenomena relating to it, but I think that language (usage, pronunciation, spelling) can definitely be a tricky one due to the way language changes and evolves – and sometimes due to the fact that we as teachers sometimes get it wrong (yes) and pass on our mistakes to the next generation! 🙂 Having said that – DILEMNA for sure, but you never see it anywhere now. Also, recall going into an exam and suddenly seeing that rhythm had become rythm.

        1. The word “gross” in my timeline has been around as far back as I can remember, I’m 32 and live in the U.S. My parents always used that word when I was a small child whenever I did something gross, so I would assume it was around in the U.S. in the 70’s in my timeline, unless it was a new term just around the time I was born, I’ll have to ask my parents and people older than me.

    1. SaLena,
      I thought Yogi Berra died before too .. So I did a little digging and found out that his wife died about a year ago… That might be why we think we remember Yogi dying.

      1. I’m not sure that’s a good explanation, Kathy. It’s possible, but unlikely, unless her death received widespread coverage that people only half listened to. Also, my memory of Mr. Berra’s death is from far earlier than a year ago. I’m not a big baseball fan, so I can’t give a reliable date, but my first guess would be that he’d died around five years ago, and possibly ten or more. When I read about his death, my reaction wasn’t “Didn’t he die just a few years ago?” It was “Didn’t he die at least a decade ago?”

        1. Fiona , right in line with my memory. I would have said 2010. I am a baseball fan. And swear he died about 5 years ago also. I was just waiting to see if other people had the same memory. Mike H.

        2. I have to agree, I thought it was more like 10 years ago. My dad is a pretty big baseball fan, he often quotes Yogi Berra and always in
          the context of “you know Yogi Berea USED to say…” I asked him and dad remembered coverage 8-10 years ago of Yogi’ s death… but he chalked it up to remembering it wrong…

  43. I am having a Mandela Moment?
    The news says Yogi Berra passed away this morning… am I the only one who thought he’d already passed?

  44. I remember watching a documentary about Muhammad Ali a few months ago at a friend’s unit across from mine, and learned, at the end, that he died in 2009. I clearly remembered being impressed with him winning a third championship title before his death.

    Now, I learn that he nevered died?! I also remember “Looney Tunes” being “Looney Toons”.

    I cannot help but refer to the effect as mind-breaking… I have a bad habit of overthinking things, so it really does not help, here…

  45. Hey guys so I wish we could post pics because I found a couple things.

    One: I’m 30 and remember berenstein bears vividly. Knowing I had old copies from childhood, I was going to prove that MY copies had to have the right name. Well,they didn’t. Berenstain right there in front of my face. I showed my grandma whom also remember Stein and she was puzzled too. Showed my best friend yesterday and started singing the song with Stein. She’s kinda ticked. Ha-ha.

    Two: sex in/and the city. This is where I wish we could post pics. Everywhere I see sex and the city but remembered buying a perfume lotion set about 6 years ago. I went looking for it in my closet and found the lotion, it clearly says sex IN the city.

    I told another friend and she said, “nella, you’re such a conspiracy theorist”. Such is life though.

  46. New here, first off thank you Fiona, well done! I have one for everybody, has Sunkist orange soda always been spelled Sinkist? Because it is now and I remember it spelled as it is pronounced, until maybe six months ago when I noticed it is indeed Sinkist. Anyone else? About the Berenstein Bears, my favorite childhood books. I wonder what the hell changed since everyone I ask remembers ei. Did nearly everyone die/shift since it’s so universal? Nuclear war happened in the 80’s? That would leave a serious stain on humanity.

    1. Thanks, Roscoe, and your comment is a very good one. Honestly, it never crossed my mind that something significant (and awful) might have happened in our “old” reality — the Berenstein one — that shuttled us to this reality in such large numbers. That’s definitely food for thought.

      1. What if the “event” that killed so many of us and realigned our awarenesses with this reality was an accident with CERN’s notoriously volatile LHC? Could this be the “Unified Mandella Theory” synthesizing Quantum Immortality with CERN’s time travel byproducts? In other words, like you said, Fiona, a little from column A, a little from column B…

          1. “Not the killing part” lol

            Another clue to the possible truth of this is that we find ourselves in a reality where people that we knew had died suddenly…had not. So perhaps we’re in the same boat. And what brings CERN to mind is that someone once commented on here that for so many of us to have “migrated” here together may suggest a wide-scale disaster, and the widely held theory/suspicion that CERN’s activities have something to do with all of this makes me wonder if perhaps it has something to do with It in more ways than one. It seems that not much in life is “this” or “that”, but usually, rather, both (think the old “Nature vs. Nurture” debate).

            1. Thanks, Brian S., and I received your private message. I’ll be watching that anomaly closely to see if it continues… but not with wide, red, crazed eyes. (Err… maybe I need to check the mirror? LOL. And, of course, that makes me wonder if Dr. Jekyll was merely swapping places with an alternate-reality counterpart that had a singularly nasty temperament.)

    2. I checked out the website for that soda brand. It is still Sunkist, but it appears the logo has recently undergone an unfortunate redesign. They merged the letters u and n and now it does look like Sinkist.

      I agree with you with you, though. I am an 80s kid, and I do think in some other universe nuclear war did happen in the 80s. It is just a little feeling I have been having for a while, deep in my gut. I, incidentally only found out about the Berlin Wall coming down years after the fact. That’s a pretty huge thing for a 9 year old to completely miss. It is possible that school and my parents both failed to mention it at all, as well as missing all coverage and mentions on tv, radio, and newspaper, which I am assuming would have gone on for a while, but that’s pretty strange.

    3. I just checked (Sept. 24 @ 11:35 AM) about Sunkist. According to Google, it is still called Sunkist, not Sinkist. It may have changed again since you last saw it? That’s pretty upsetting.

    4. That Sunkist logo is definitely weird. The pre 1979 logo is still clearly Sun kist but it looks odd too. One of those things that have changed….good catch.

    5. I’d never noticed this until I read about it in your post. I did a little research and it seems that there’s a Sunkist logo (with the U and N separate) that’s associated with the orange growers’ group that started Sunkist and is still on their fruit and juice products.

      The logo on their soda cans does, as you point out, say, “Sinkist.” In fact all the google images I can find of the Sunkist soda cans have always said, “Sinkist.” Even in the YouTube videos of the first commercials (“Good Vibrations” ca.1980) it can clearly be seen as, “Sinkist.”

      I don’t remember it being that way when I drank the soda growing up in the 80’s, though I suppose it’s possible I never paid attention. However, I did find a blog entry from someone who blogs about unfortunate advertising logos and wrote an article on it in 2005 complaining about the ‘change.’

      Now that I’ve seen it, I can’t un-see it!

      And just for the record: BerenstEin, Interview With A (not With The), Yogi Berra died at least a decade ago (if not longer), Nichelle Nichols died about a year and a half ago, Mirror Mirror, and it was, “If you build it THEY will come,”–this ‘new’ version (HE will come) sounds so sinister and had that same feeling of wrongness that I initially felt with the BerestEin effect. Oh, and mentioned it before, but haven’t seen many reference it: Steven Segal is now (and supposedly always has been) Steven Seagal.

      Keep up the great work Fiona! Thank you so much for providing a place where we can all discuss this!

      1. Can confirm, Steven Segal is what I knew growing up. When I see “Seagal” I get a momentary confusion and want to call him “Seagull”.

  47. I am just going to go ahead and ask this, since it has been bothering me for awhile. If Narwhals have always existed for you, where did you hear about them, and if you always knew of them since childhood, can you give me a general timeframe? 80s? 90s? Did you see them in those kids’ Zoobooks magazines, National Geographic, nature programming on tv, or learn about them in school? Was it considered general knowledge or little known fact?

    I ask because Narwhals only entered my consciousness in the 2000s, with the Elf movie, and then it became some kind of trendy hipster thing to put Narwhals on everything. But, I thought Narwhals were mythical creatures. When I found out they were real, as a full grown adult, my mind was completely blown. I was utterly flummoxed. The explanation I found at the time, was that Narwhals were elusive and rarely photographed, so that is how I could have gone my whole life not knowing about them. Now though, I can google and see pictures of narwhals everywhere. Big groups of them, two horned narwhals, no horned narwhals, a polar bear eating a narwhal carcass. That is so crazy to me.

    Was anyone else shocked to discover narwhals? Or have you always known about them?

    1. I first heard of narwhals around 2010. My son kept watching an animated video on YouTube, with a song about how awesome they are. I thought they were some sort of internet meme. Then, someone on a message board commented they just learned narwhals were real that day. I was confused. I asked my son if narwhals were real, and he showed me a national geographic documentary about them. All my friends laughed at me. Apparently everyone I know learned about them in school.

      1. Im aware of many ME’s on here and can agree with a lot but this has been around for a while in pop culture. Theres even an old song about them. Its a funny youtube song. It recently made an appearence on a commercial too. If this is a ME then the change happened years ago, i dont think i learned about them in school but I have vague memories of seeing them in my text book next to whales

    2. I had a similar situation i think their existence is just not largely reported information. Until pop culture took it on.

    3. I was born in 1964. I heard about narwhals as a child, but I can’t remember exactly where or at what age. I loved nature and animals and read loads of books, plus we always watched nature programs on TV–Jacque Cousteau would have covered all things ocean-related, and there was Marlin Perkins, David Attenborough, and others. I remember learning that the myth of the unicorn may have arisen in part because of narwhal tusks washed up on shore, or perhaps traded from the Northern tribes into Europe. But they are rare animals, so is it possible you simply never heard of them because they aren’t talked about often? Still, it is strange that, in the age of the Internet, you never saw a single picture of one until recently. Either you were very recently inserted into their reality, or the narwhals were inserted into yours. I wonder what memories animals could share, if they could talk.

      1. I had also NEVER heard of narwhals or seen a picture of anything looking like that until about 2 weeks ago. I asked my 8 year old son, who knows quite a bit about animals for his age, and he acted like I was crazy, of course he knew what a narwhal was! Then he preceded to tell me what they were, making me feel more crazy.
        I have no clue how I missed these in my 40 years on this planet unless I came from a “no narwhal” reality

    4. Hi, Anne,

      Minority report weighing in: in my memory (timeline / reality / etc.), yes, narwhals have always existed (well, as far back as their speciation, at any rate). Their existence was debated through the 18c or so, but by some point in the late 18c (Wiki indicates their acceptance by 16c).

      I knew of them by age 4 (1976), but didn’t study much about them (more interested in cosmology & paleontology at the time).

    5. I never even heard of Narwhals before I started visiting this site months ago. My husband was shocked when I told him that but although he had always known about them he thought they were extinct.

    6. When I was a child (about 30 years ago) my parents got me mail-order subscription to animal cards. There was a green box and every so often I’d get a new pack of cards to go in the box. I specifically remember the narwhal because it was a painting and not photograph like the rest. I assumed they were aware of its existence, but didn’t have an actual picture to use. As an adult I was excited to see video footage of them, because that card was a favorite and i wondered what they might look like in reality.

  48. This is the most interesting discussion I’ve ever read. I will be checking my parent’s house for my old Berenstein Bear books this weekend. One ME I’ve seen on here a few times is the Verrazano Bridge (people claim they’ve never heard of it and a ferry was needed to get to Staten Island) I’m not from NY, never been, but I’d be interested in asking the people who have never heard of it how they remember the “bridge scene” in Saturday Night Fever.

  49. I Distinctly remember watching the berenstien bears on DVD in class. Also since when has it been “No, I am your father.” I remember a scene from one of the toy story movies referencing the “Luke…” line.

  50. I remember the berenstien bears, also i have also seen the bloomstien bears , when was that a thing?

  51. I also remember a scene from one of the toy story movies where Zerg references the “Luke…” version of the line not the “No…” Version.

  52. OMG, concerning Rosa Parks I have recently shifted reality again. I saw here some weeks or months ago a discussion on the age of Rosa Parks and her story. There were three versions of her life story.
    – In the 1960s she was an elderly lady and she refused to get up in the bus and take another seat because it was physically difficult for her to get up.
    – In the 1960s she was a middle aged woman, but she nontheless refused to give up her seat in the bus.
    – In the 60s she was a schoolchild. The bus story was only the less important part of what she did for the Civil Rights Movement. Her parents attempted to send her to a white school the school rejected. The parents sued her into the school. The court decided in favor of the parks family. That trial served as a precedent to abolish segregation in the schools.

    I grew up only to hear the bus story. I didn’t learn her age, but it sounded as if she was an adult person. I was born in the 70s.
    In 2013 or 2014 I read an article in American Renaissance about her, and I was surprised she was a school child. It was that article that taught me the school story with her suing parents. I found this site late July 2015.
    When I read this month, or last month, about the three version of Rosa Parks` biography, her biography still was, she was a schoolchild. Those who discussed here wrote “Oh I thought she was an adult, but she was a child. – Oh I remember her being elderly.”
    Now she’s middle aged.

      1. Interesting, John O. If a reporter, after some too-hasty research, used the wrong name and the story was picked up by other media, I could see that as an explanation. I’ll be interested in more backstory from others who have multiple or alternate, related memories.

      2. Interesting, I hadn’t heard the name so far. But I remembre the comments here on where some discussed the age of Rosa Parks.
        I just checked the pictures of Ruby Bridges. I remembre a picture in an American Renaissance article of the week of her sitting in the classroom surrounded by white classmates, and that was another face than the face of Ruby Bridges that I find now. But the picture here is strikingly similar to the picture the second picture in the AmRen article. Only the face isn’t the same. Rosa Park’s face was more round.

    1. I’ve always known the story of Rosa Parks as her being a middle aged woman (42) who refused to give up her seat on a bus, and was consequently arrested for doing so as she did not comply with the segregation laws (Jim Crow laws). I have never heard of the 2 other versions.

      1. I always heard she was an elderly lady (in her 70s?) who refused to give up her seat because she was standing up to racist laws. I even remember photographs of her in a brown dress, glasses, and a hat with her purse resting on her chest. Now I’m really disturbed to see the pictures of her as a younger woman.

        1. I remember Rosa Parks as a much older woman, I remember that add part of the story we were taught in school, she was an elderly black woman who refused to give her seat to a young white person… the point wasn’t just about segregation being wrong, but being disrespectful to an elderly person due to the color of their skin, respect for your elders…I remember those cardboard ‘paintings’ the teachers hung up during black history month of an old black lady…

  53. Heres something i remembered finding years ago, its a site that as of September 25, 2015 this website lists 7877 famous (and semi-famous) people from various walks of life – entertainment, politics, sports, music, law, … and others. who are either dead of alive, thought it could be interesting and it has their death dates so it could track down a few changes possibly

  54. Hello,
    I first became aware that something was strange a few years back after finding that the Berenstein bears head change their name. And recently I’ve been made aware Snow White’s, mirror, mirror on the wall. Although very intriguing I allowed myself to feel like there was a possibility my memory was flawed. Last night something happened that completely shook me to the core.

    My grandparents raised me as a small child. My grandfather was a father to me. Long before I came around he was a commercial artist in Michigan. This is before the days of royalties.

    As a child, grandpa would take me in the stores and show me different things that he is done. He was always the most proud of the Kellogg’s logo. And the left hand side of a Kellogg’s cereal box there was an icon that looked a lot like the NBC News logo. It had a tail with a different colors and it was a rooster. As a child I remember thinking how cool it was. And everytime we went in a store grandpa pointed it out. That’s why by the time I was a teenager even though I’d be like, “yes, that’s really cool,” it wasn’t a big of a deal anymore. Until, I had children and as soon as they were old enough to comprehend it. I showed them that logo every time we went in the store!
    Last night, my youngest child was painting and I told her the story of grandpa. I want to go show her grandpa’s pride and joy the, “iconic rooster!” I was completely socked to find it had changed! After searching for about an hour. I was even more shocked to find out it never existed! I immediately went to into my teenagers rooms and ask them to recall the memory. Thank God, they remember it just the same as I do! of course, my husband remembers my bragging rights too! Please tell me someone else has noticed that the Kellogg’s rooster has changed! There used to be a little icon in the left-hand corner on every Kellogg’s box. It is now wiped from the slate of the cosmic memory! Because it was so near and dear to my heart I will never forget the image. It is burned into my memory! Now I know for absolute certain that something is seriously going on! I want answers. I need answers! What am I going to tell my grandchildren? Your grandfather was a commercial artist who designed famous logos that are now missing in space and time and no one remembers them? Does anyone else remember the logo that looked a lot like the NBC News peacock? Thank you for your time, Angela

    1. Angela, i remember the nbc like logo they had a thinner look than the nbc symbol. Its a little foggy but i feel like i could almost draw it. Looking at the box now looks weird.. off… looks like a new brand of cereal

    2. Hey, I remember that logo! I recall seeing it on older boxes ( or “vintage,” as they’d call it on eBay), with the newer version being a later edition. But now I don’t see it anywhere, not even on the oldest cereal boxes. I feel bad that your grandpa’s pride and joy no longer exists in this reality. He must have been an interesting fellow.

      Oh, and apparently the rooster is named Cornelius.

      1. I remember that logo as well. In fact, I’m so sure it existed, I’ve been trying to make time to go through Google images to find it. If that fails, I’d go through some of my vintage magazine collection. Surely, I’ll find it in an advertisement. Also, I’d go through the trademark art filed at the US trademark registry. (The online version may not be complete, but it is searchable. ( — and then click through to work with TESS.) Worst case, I’d sketch it, colorize it in Photoshop, post it in an online file at Flickr or Facebook or something, and then do a reverse image search at Google, perhaps finding it categorized under a different keyword or something.

        Really, I’m that sure about the logo that Angela described, and it’s so familiar to me, I’d have difficulty believing it never existed in this reality.

  55. Fiona,
    You don’t have to approve this comment if you don’t feel it’s a valid observation and I mostly wanted you to hear this and get your thoughts on it.
    I found a link to an online message board from 2001 about an amusement park called cedar point. The discussion on the board was about whether or not the park should bring back berenstein bear land to replace snoopy land. What I found interesting is that every single poster spells it stein. Every one of them. And not once is the spelling questioned. It was obvious from reading the comments that berenstein bear land was once part of the park and most of the responses wanted it brought back. So obviously these people had visited the park probably often and were fans of the berenstein bear land attraction at the park. You would think that they would have noticed if the spelling was stain and.not stein. At least one person!
    Another point of interest is that Charles Schultz is also mentioned in regards to snoopy land. His name is mentioned in two different posts and is spelled Schultz in one post and Schulz in another. Thought you might find this interesting as well. I would send you the link to the message board but I can’t from my phone. You can also find it on google by searching “ 2001 berenstein bear or snoopy land”

  56. Also in regards to the 2001 message board about berenstein bear land. If you google search “cedar point amusement park berenstein bear land” – all the results pull up with berenstain bear land spelled stain

  57. Apparently Kel Mitchell from All That and the Kenan and Kel show is still alive as of 2015. I remember hearing that he died in a car crash in the mid 2000’s. They just reunited during Saturday Night Live.

    1. Majorie, I remember Kel dying sometime between 2004 and 2006. My best friend across the street who i hung out with almost EVERY day told me about Kel dying and she was devastated. At the time i didnt know who that was so then she showed me Keenan and Kel the show, she had it on VHS.

  58. I dont know how many of you are from the UK, but i am watching some adverts and for the last year or so maybe a little longer there has been an advert with Sir Michael Parkinson for some insurance It just rehit me whenever that advert is on i think i thought isnt he dead.. thinking its odd that they would allow an advert for insurance when he was dead..So i check today and he is still alive.. its a name linked to a specific advert, (as another thing i never thought he was a Sir).

    1. Martin, I’m so glad he’s still alive and I’m pleased that he made the Honours List, but — yes — I had to check online to be sure we were both thinking of the same Michael Parkinson.

      1. a life insurance company, and a spokesman who “died”.. i thought.. isnt that creepy. and weird. every time i see it i think the same thing, it was just on today just before i posted and i thought let me check.. and it was OH.. uh.. ok.. wha.. he ISNT dead. Even now knowing about the mandela effect it still can throw me for a loop. other chat show presenters have died but they are not parky (his nickname for those who havent heard of him). Its been about 18 months to maybe 2 years since i started thinking he had died..

      2. Glitchy- I recall reading this 2 or 3 days ago which would have been around 09/23-09/24 not 09/26. I know the hour/minute timestamp hour never shows the exact time for me but the dates are completely off.

        Martin Williams

        26 September 15 at 5:36 am

        I dont know how many of you are from the UK, but i am watching some adverts and for the last year or so maybe a little longer there has been an advert with Sir Michael Parkinson for some insurance It just rehit me whenever that advert is on i think i thought isnt he dead.. thinking its odd that they would allow an advert for insurance when he was dead..So i check today and he is still alive.. its a name linked to a specific advert, (as another thing i never thought he was a Sir).

        Reply ↓

        Fiona Broome Post author

        26 September 15 at 6:31 am

        Martin, I’m so glad he’s still alive and I’m pleased that he made the Honours List, but — yes — I had to check online to be sure we were both thinking of the same Michael Parkinson.

        1. Thank you, Martin. I’m going to start keeping track of a few of these (not all of them, of course) because I had to do a quick check of today’s date. I could have sworn I’d replied to you on the 25th, not yesterday. (Yes, I’ll double-check this reply as soon as it posts, to see if the issue is in the software.)

          Update: My reply date is correct (27 Sep 2015), but the hour is definitely wrong and doesn’t match what my computer says. Perhaps the hour is where the hosting service is.

          1. Wish i could have taken credit, but it was daniel who noticed. It could be a mandela glitch.. time slides or something like that..Would be interesting (and a little scary)if it was a mandela effect on a mandela effect topic..

        2. I’ve noticed something weird with the comments as well.
          I’ve been accessing this website daily ever since I found it on September 8th.
          For about 2 or 3 days, this comment section had only 37 thoughts.
          Then, all of a sudden, it had 170 lol
          I thought: wow, Fiona approved that much in one go?
          I also think I’ve seen Martin’s comment way before the 26th.
          And while scrolling down the comments, I came accross Marjorie’s, about Kel from Kenan & Kel. I swear that comment wasn’t there before. I remember all the other ones that are close to it, and that comment would’ve certainly caught my attention. I loved that show.

          CERN’s section is weird as well. This happened many times now: I notice the number count of posts is higher than last time i saw it and go check it out, only to find out there’s nothing new.

          1. Thanks, Ana! I’m sorry that’s happening, but I’m glad to have more information about the comments. This is looking more & more like a software glitch. I’m going to disable a few of the plugins I use at this site, in case it’s a conflict. They’re things nobody sees or will have little effect on the site’s appearance.

          2. Fiona , I know your working on it. Just in case this helps any, I can echo the CERN comments Ana is talking about. I have noticed the same with the “Possible Explanations” section also. Lately some of my replies are showing up completely out of order. Or to people I didn’t reply too. This is in no way a criticism. Just didn’t know if it could help narrow down the problems. I know you are trying , and it can be REALLY trying , so good luck !! Mike H.

            1. Thanks, Mike H!

              I appreciate your support. I am shuffling some minor software at the site to see if that helps with the comments issue. Most of what I’m using here is “plain vanilla” WordPress with very basic plugins. So, if the problem is the software — and I suspect that it is — either changing plugins will help, or we’ll have to wait for WordPress and plugin updates that address this.

              I’ve searched online, and this has been a WordPress issue, off and on, for several years. Still, WordPress has been the simplest and most reliable way to run a somewhat interactive site, and the price (free) is right, so — for now, anyway — I’m staying with it.


              1. Now i feel disappointed slightly that it isnt a mandela effect ;).. What i have been doing is opening a page then refreshing it immediately and comments are appearing, when i first came to this page it said 242 comments, then when i refreshed it , it became 248 comments. I do clean the cache on chrome all the time, so it doesnt store an out of date webpage.

                I dont mind because its nice to feel amongst friends and people who have the same lost feelings. Wonderful site as ever.. really making my mind spark. (something which i have needed for a few years now)

                1. Thanks, Martin! I appreciate the caching tip for readers; I’ll mention that in my article about comments glitches. Also, you are definitely amongst friends, and your comments are always interesting and a great addition to these conversations.

                2. There may be some validity regarding the posts from people which seem *out of character* and then they disappear.

                  On 08/06/2015 I read a comment * supposedly* from J.T. If I can quote almost similar, it said something like “I have a niggling that the ME effect has something to do with culture”. The comment seemed like it was placed there to grab my attention along with a long list of insight. The word “niggling” annoyed (struck a chord)me a bit which is why I began to read other post from J.T. thereafter. However, that post I could not find when I later looked. Fiona responded to that post as well which could not be found.

                  I ran across some other posts regarding how cell phone messages where either changed, never received, or content showing different for the both the sender and receiver. Wonder if this is related.

                  Some things I wonder about, such as the name of Mandela being used. It almost feels as if perhaps I am helping to cause the change although I can not relate to some of things in question. The major telling factor is noticing changes occur whenever I look to the past and question the things I have been told.

                  If we are all one, it is like trying to tell myself something but feels more like I died in 2013 and given another chance. (One of those weird post of mine- perhaps should fit in personal accounts)

                  1. Fascinating! If you can tell me where the comments were — anything I can use to search them — and when they were at this site (if they later disappeared), I can see if they’re in any of my backups of the site. (I back up the site about once a week, in XML. I don’t keep the old copies indefinitely, but at any given point, I can usually access versions of the site from the previous month or so.)

                    If that’s not possible, but you see any patterns to comments that appear & disappear, try to take notes that we can examine, later.

                    However, keep in mind that I move comments when I start a relevant article. So, for example, comments about Sept 22/23 initially posted at Major Memories – Comments Page 10, are now at the Sept 22/23 article.

                    Nevertheless, when I move a comment, the software moves all replies with it. If you see a reply but the original comment is missing, something’s odd. Very odd.

                    1. I do not remember exactly where that comment was. However, looking at my notes there was A LOT going on during that time period. Started 08/01/2015 and ranges from dreams of arcs and Saturn to experiences of number coincidences, fulfillment of small desires, crows, and a glitchy moon on 08/02/2015 where the clouds seemed to start and stop, go backwards and proceed with pauses of up to 10 seconds like it was buffering. Asked spouse to come outside who confirmed the same–like a broken video.

  59. Here’s another one that changed from Cool Hand Luke, and it’s at the beginning of the Guns and Roses song Civil War. I listened to that album about 9,000 times in my adolescence. I remember it as, “what we HAVE HERE is failure to communicate.” Now it’s “what we’VE GOT here is failure to communicate.” I used to joke around and use this saying all the time. So did my friends. I figured it would change. Everything is different.

    1. Dan, was the change in the movie, the song, or both? I clearly recall “What we have here…,” from the movie, and — for several years — it was a popular line to quote.

      1. According to all of my research, it is changed in both the song and the movie.

        I also tried posting this from my phone but wanted to mention it again: In my past/timeline Ken Griffey Jr was stripped of his home run record due to doping in MLB. Now, research points to him missing that prosecution because of MLB not looking into doping until only recently. He’s up there on the home run record list at #5. In my timeline he was number 1 until he got caught using steroids.

      2. 21st century has been realistic as to giving some semblance of original spirit to the movie versions of great literary creations.However with my restrictive choice,only 2 movies have really impressed me and i have stopped watching further movies just to imbibe the full effect of them,they are ‘Casino Royale’ and ‘Crank’, starring Daniel Craig and ‘Jason Statham’ respectively,incidentally both are british actors and the movies made in ’06.I will consider something as ME if the attitude of such stars changes on rewatching,or even if some significant lines change,such is the intensity of these movies.One other movie that gave an effect of surreality and glimpse of future was ‘Inception’ starring Mat Damon,he really looks and acts like a future android.

    2. I saw the movie so long ago that I couldn’t swear to it from that BUT I do know for CERTAIN that, in the Guns N Roses song that plays that little snippet at the beginning, it is worded “What we’ve got here…..”.

  60. I read a post on another website, where I won’t post, for reasons stated previously. BUT, a poster had written a thread that struck me. I am curious does anyone remember Ringo Starr passing away in the early 90’s? I did, and evidently I wasn’t alone. It wasn’t a hoax, and I am not confusing him with George. It’s one of those memories I don’t talk about much, obviously well before the internet. I chalked up (as I did often back then) to my mistake. I even remember seeing Paul at the MTV music awards the next year talking about him (eulogizing him) . I really thought he had a heart problem and had passed away from it. The next time I remember seeing him was 1999. Anyway anyone else have this one??I have been waiting to see if someone here would bring it up. Mike H.

    1. Hi, Mike H!

      I have dual memories related to Ringo.

      I distinctly recall that when George died, I thought, “Okay, that leaves just one of the four. Thank heavens, Paul McCartney seems to be healthy & flourishing.” So, that would place my alternate memory of Ringo’s death as something before 2001, assuming I was in this reality at the time.

      I’m not sure how long after that I saw something about Ringo, and thought, “How very odd, but what a relief. Ringo didn’t die, after all.” At the time, I wondered who I’d confused him with, but didn’t think much of it. That was before I had any idea the Mandela Effect existed, and — since Ringo was partying (with some notoriety) in Hollywood when I was there — I guess I assumed he’d meet an early demise.

      The latter means that, when I did hear about his death, I wouldn’t have made much note of it. That, and the fact that I’ve always thought of them as “John, Paul, George, and… oh, yes, Ringo.” (It’s nothing personal and I can’t explain why — to me — he never quite “fit” with the other three. It has nothing to do with Pete Best, either. It’s just how my mind works.)

      So, early 1990s is as good a guess as any. I just know that, at some point between 2001 and when I saw that Ringo was still around, I thought he’d passed on several years earlier. (If it had been close to 2001, my memories would include me hearing about George’s death and thinking it was “so soon” after Ringo’s. I didn’t, so my alternate memory would need to be from 1998 or earlier.)

      I will go through my private files to see if anyone has mentioned Ringo, and update this if I find anything.


      Update: No, nothing in private comments or emails. So, let’s see if anyone else has this same memory. All I can say is that I have that memory, but no date association, and — for me — it’s kind of a dual memory.

      1. Fiona, thanks for the quick response!
        I wasn’t going to say the year, just wanted to see if anyone else had that memory. But for me it was 1993, It IS one of those years I listed before. I had that same feeling by the way when George passed away. I thought how sad it’s just Paul now. I do realize in my previous post that I didn’t remember seeing him again until 1999. And I still stand by that (it’s anchored to a personal memory). BUT , I still thought as you did, how sad just Paul, and then it was like my memory “kicked in” and said whoa, wait a minute, Ringo is still here ( I guess, LOL).

        He is one of those anomalies (within an anomaly) for me. I have a couple of those that I hold back, too see if anyone else brings them up. Ringo was one though that REALLY always connected with me. I am a drummer, have been my whole life (hobby now, of course) . I worked in music stores through my teens, and twenties. So I paid attention when someone as famous as a Beatle passed away (or not).

        I can’t let it go , but 1993,1999,2001 are all years in my list from the “When did it start for you” thread. I have enjoyed sitting back and watching a lot of the new posters bring so much to the table. I don’t know how you keep up with it! Mike H.

    2. I wasn’t going to post about Ringo because my memory is vague, but the strong duality of my memory on this one is what I find most intriguing. I remember when George died thinking it was sad that Paul was the last living Beatle. I’m a fan, and it was quite poignant. However, I can’t recall any details of Ringo dying, which I should have remembered as a huge Beatles fan. I *also* have a vague memory of Paul and Ringo performing together at a tribute for George (could have been a musical tribute, or maybe a funeral). These memories exist simultaneously in my mind, from the same time period, and each hold about equal weight.
      The next time Ringo “surfaced” for me was just a few years ago on a credit card commercial. His artwork was being featured on a credit card, as part of a line of designer cards featuring work by various modern artists. In my mind I would have placed the credit cards coming out between 2004-2009; I believe I saw the commercial while living in our old house which was during those years. When I just checked, the cards came out in 1995! That feels so wrong for me. I was 13 years old in 1995- I would have probably ignored credit card commercials, as they were a thing of the adult world. I also don’t recall there being many credit card commercials in the 90s, compared to today.
      I am thoroughly confused.

  61. Mind blown again. In this reality NASA did not invent: Tang, Velcro, or Teflon. They were all developed in the 50s, 40s and 30s respectively by other companies. Mind blown.

    1. No I remember them inventing these things- I remember learning about it! Did this seriously change?!

    2. What?? I specifically remember an astronaut coming to our school to talk when I was in either 5th or 6th grade, and there was definitely a mention of how NASA invented Tang. Mind definitely blown!

    3. Huh. That’s weird. This is what Wikipedia says about the history of Tang: “Tang was used by earlier NASA manned space flights.[6] In 1962, when Mercury astronaut John Glenn conducted eating experiments in orbit, Tang was selected for the menu,[2] and was also used during some Gemini flights. In 2013, Buzz Aldrin stated that “Tang sucks”.[7]” So, it was USED by the space program, but not INVENTED by them….in this timeline. But I remember learning in school that Tang was invented by NASA specifically because the astronauts needed something to drink that had lots of vitamins and minerals in it and tasted good (although apparently, Buzz Aldrin hated it).

      I also remember that Teflon was DEFINITELY invented by NASA as a coating on the tiles of the space shuttles, to make them more resistant to the high heat of re-entry into the atmosphere. Oddly enough, I do remember the Wiki version of Velcro as being the “correct” one.

  62. The Tiffany song “I think we’re alone now” sounds way different. There’s a weird almost techno beat, and a weird speaking intro and outro. I randomly heard the song, thought it was a remix , but when I searched for the original, I only found the one I heard with the strange beat.

      1. I’m familiar with the original 1960s version. The version I am referring to is definitely by Tiffany. I am a child of the 80s. I’ve sung this song many times. If I knew how to write music, I could write out the song as I remember because it’s ingrained in my memory. The Tiffany version I remember was (musically) arranged very much like the 60s song that it is a remake of. Not so anymore.

    1. Odd. I did think it was Matt Damon but — not having seen the film, yet — I’m not a reliable source for this. It’s been in my viewing queue, but I haven’t found time for it. I’ll be interested in others’ responses, especially those who’d seen the film. I’m not a huge DiCaprio fan, but I do find Damon very likeable, and I thought that was one reason I added ‘Inception’ to my queue… aside from its relevance to ME discussions, of course.

      1. ‘Have seen the movie,and same as you i don’t go for Caprio because of his cunning looks.I rather like the androidy attitude and innocent looks of Damon,am freaked out after a long long time that Damon was not, who starred in ‘Inception’.I prefer a world where innocent androids live rather than cunning Caprios(going by looks alone).

      2. Fiona and Vivek, I admit I have not seen the movie. But up until a couple of months ago, when I first saw the cover of the DVD with Leonardo on it, I would have sworn Matt Damon was the star. It never seemed “right”. I realize we could all be mistaken , BUT why would we all think it was Matt Damon, not any number of other actors. Physically these two are nothing alike. There have been a few other relativly recent movies like this for me. Strangely these two , along with Tom Cruise figure in several of them. Again, none of them physically resemble each other at all. Mike H.

        1. Maybe you’re right Mike H,just because Damon has been consistently appearing in sci fi genre,The adjustment bureau,Elysium,The Martian, mistake may happen.But sci fi suits Damon,and he could well be the face of future generations.

        2. That’s funny because I actually think Leonardo DiCaprio and Matt Damon do look alike. I watched some clips of the movie on YouTube last night, and Leo just looked “off.” Also, Leo had a little goatee and mustache, and I don’t remember the Cobb character having facial hair.

    2. Wow, that’s a weird one – Leonardo DiCaprio being in Inception. I only saw it once a few years ago, but Leonardo just doesn’t look quite right. I’m trying to picture him interacting with Ellen Page and the actress who played the wife he was trying to rescue and it feels a bit “off” while Matt Damon feels more right. It doesn’t help that they kind of look alike but their personas are different. I googled “Inception” and that typed in Matt, and “Damon” was one of the first suggestions, not any other Matt, and there are several actors named Matt or Matthew.

    3. It is strange, because I loved this movie, and I have seen it a couple of times. I love all of Christopher Nolan’s movies. I can remember all the other characters and the actors who played them, but there is a hole in my memory regarding Leo DiCaprio. That is strange that I would remember everything about the movie except for the main character, but DiCaprio just doesn’t seem right somehow. I don’t remember Matt Damon, though, it is just a blank.

  63. Hi! First comment for me, I believe. As long as an alternate me didn’t post from another timeline haha! I had a strange coincidence today. I was switching between channels when I came across Groundhog Day. It was in the middle of the movie. I have watched this movie many, many times before. However, I have never seen this scene before. The whole scene gave me a creepy feeling.

    The scene started with Phil lying down on a couch, speaking to a therapist. I don’t recall this scene whatsoever. Then, it switched to a scene of him at a bowling alley talking with two drunk men. He asks them the normal questions you expect from the movie (life and death, what would you do if there were no consequences, same day over and over, etc.) He then walks outside with them and, because they’re too drunk to drive, he drives for them. He then decides he no longer wants to “play by their rules”. He rams the car into a mailbox then leads a cop on a high-speed chase across train tracks, veering off of it at the last second before it crashed into them. He was then arrested after making some jokes about ordering breakfast from the cops.

    Come on, I’ve seen this movie so many times. What else struck me odd is that the ground wasn’t icy or snowy whatsoever, even though the entire point of the movie was that it was a winter day. This scene occurred right before Bill wakes up and begins to eat all the food he can from the diner that he eats at with Rita. Everything after this scene seemed right to me. It was the entire sequence beforehand that left me feeling so bizarre. Does anybody else recall this scene? I don’t. At all. I’m 46 years old, if that matters. I also remember Berenstein.

  64. In the cartoon series What’s New Scooby-Doo?, I feel like there was a stutter in the theme song. I vividly remember the very beginning to start like, ” What’s new- What’s new Scooby-Doo?” Kind of like maybe the singer started a few seconds early when recording and they left the stutter in there. Many other people I’ve talked to remember this, but it is nowhere to be found.

  65. Yesterday I read that Will Smith is planning to reboot The fresh prince of Bel-Air next year (maybe with the original cast). Anyway, at the moment I read that, I though “that’s impossible, one of the cast died last year”. i don’t remember if was geoffrey or uncle phil but I remember one of them dying the last year and there were fb posts about it. So just by curious I checked Wikipedia and they are all alive. Does anybody else remember one of the cast dying last year?

      1. Fionna.

        Thanks for the answer. But why wikipedia listed him as “alive”? I’m curious because I did check all of the members of the cast , and nobody of them appeared as death.

        Maybe this is a indicator that wikipedia isn’t a reliable source for information. But at leas this is not a ME .


        1. David, this raises another interesting question.

          Oh, I know that Wikipedia can’t be trusted. The information is often crowd sourced, which leaves it only as reliable as the last “crowd” member to edit it. So, it’s just reliable enough to check first, when I’m looking for more information. However, especially lately, I’ve heard that it’s become less trustworthy.

          But, as I checked that page again, now, it does list him as deceased.

          The curious part is the date. I’m seeing alternate dates for his death — 31 Dec 2013 and 1 Jan 2014. For me, that’s a “between” date, and the “betweens” have been notorious in centuries of folklore. They’re when things can change for no apparent reason, often attributed to faeries for lack of a better explanation.

          I may need to re-examine faerie lore for anything related to ME.


  66. I remember Scarlett’s lines in “Gone with the Wind,” as Rhett was leaving Tara, as: “Rhett, if you go, wherever shall I go, whatever shall I do?” to which Rhett retorted, “Frankly my dear, I dont’ give a damn.” But now I see that Scarlett’s line is: “Rhett, if you go, where shall I go, what shall I do?”

  67. Something Weird, Dont know if it is a mandela effect or not. but its weird..

    A little history I hate the Beatles and everything they have done, but thats just my own taste, if someone likes them thats fine. Now i remember a song called Ob la di, Ob La Da.. Now someone posted the song, and said it was the Beatles that sang it.. “Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da” is a song written by Paul McCartney, released by the Beatles on their 1968 album The Beatles ” BUT during the same year it was released BY the beatles it was also covered by The Scottish pop band Marmalade released their rendition of “Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da” in 1968, and Arthur Conley, 1968, also on the album More Sweet Soul. AND The Spectrum. (Its version reached number 19 on the Germany singles chart in 1968 ) now this was during the time that the beatles were a BIG thing I wouldnt have thought they would have allowed covers that hit the charts taking away the money from the beatles version..

    Very weird (Marmalade version) Ö3 Austria Top 40 Number 1 15 February 1969 then, the same charts 15 March – 15 April 1969

    In 69 Las Trillizas de Oro from Argentina, Spanish version in 1969, Patrick Zabé recorded a French version of the song in 1969. and Helen Gamboa released a cover version in 1969 as a single with a cover of “Harper Valley PTA” as the B-side..

    1. Martin Williams, I’m trying (unsuccessfully) to sort out which comment you said you’d posted in an unintended thread. If you can post a comment in reply to your own comment — the one you’d like moved or deleted — that would help. At the moment, and with considerable searching at my website’s dashboard, I’m not seeing any duplicates. (This, of course, means next to nothing since we’ve seen a few odd occurrences in comments here.)

      1. I posted it in possible explanations as well as this page.. and the Possible explanations page was an error. as i had multiple windows open, and i tend to type it out on notepad and paste it into the page i need it can help with keeping my mind focused and not going off on a weird tangent…. and i miss posted it. and i did reply.. and it allows me to check two bits of information at the same time. it looks like its been sorted anyway

        1. Cue the Twilight Zone theme, Martin. This comment had been in Possible Explanations but I manually moved it to this page. So far, my dashboard says it’s the only copy of that comment. I’m glad it’s been sorted, but it wasn’t anything I did.

          1. I shouldnt be surprised at anything anymore LOL.. perhaps an alternate you removed it from this page memories 10, and forgot to tell you… and now my Brain is starting to ache LOL.. I make jokes when i am confused, my way of coping with the very unusual

            1. If there’s an alternate me helping with all these comments and emails, I should thank her! LOL (I also make jokes or at least laugh when things get confusing or seem to go awry.)

              1. Fiona , along the same lines as my post to Daniel. I have always visualized the seasons the same way. Winter-Summer are primary. Fall-Spring are secondary (transistion months). What I have noticed is that many things occur around the equinoxes. But the Fall and Spring equinoxes are especially active. I don’t know why. I have always noticed patterns my whole life with everything. To the point of actually being annoying to myself. But sometimes, it is a very handy thought process. Mike H.

  68. I was just introduced to this phenomenon today. I’m utterly thrown and confused. I’ve been thinking a lot of events from 2009 to now and I recall many times being confused…. I thought I was crazy- how could I not remember things the same as what Google etc said? One of the biggest ones for me is the Berenstein Bears. Another is Star Wars. The spelling of definately- I was confused recently to why it changed and no one knew what I was talking about…. I remembered the spelling because a boys name was in it Nate. My husband drastically changed in 2009. A completely different person… One day he wouldn’t talk to me. He didn’t talk to me for 2 weeks… I had no clue why. I dragged him to counseling and no answers emerged. He’s not the person I met or married. I remember Castro dying. I asked my husband these questions and his memories are from this reality- he doesn’t remember anything I do and he told me my brain has played tricks on me. It hasn’t my memories are very vivid and clear. I’m now obsessed with this subject. I’m blown away. I’m confused to the whys and how’s. I’m s psychic, medium, empath and I hold beliefs that incorporate almost all faiths and religions. I think humans got it all messed up and they can’t see they’re all one thing in different parts that we need spiritually to evolve. I’m not sure if this has something to do with why I explicitly remember things differently than others or not, but if there’s a connection I figured I should mention it in case no one has noticed it. I’ve also felt not right for almost 2 months now…

    1. Becka, you may want to talk with someone in your community — perhaps a religious counsellor of whatever faith you’re comfortable with — so you have a real-life person to help you feel grounded as you process this new way of looking at life and memories. This site can help you feel less alone, since most of us have similar alternate memories, but nothing replaces real-life conversations with someone who might help put these feelings into a spiritual perspective.

    2. I have memories of the word being spelled as definately. All this is very stange and intriguing at the same time. 🙂

      1. I still have trouble with this word. I keep wanting there to be an A in it and have to make myself think “de-finite-ly.”

    3. I want to say to you, Bekah, I think I kind of understand what might have happened to you and your husband. I experienced a sudden, great distance between me and my husband that I didn’t really understand at the time. Then one day, I realized, that he seems to be fully from this timeline, while I am probably not. It is like he has a past with a different me, and I with a different him, and yet, here we still are, together. I have heard many people say, over the years, that staying married is work, and you make a decision every day to work on your marriage, and I never really understood what they meant before. I just thought it might help you to know, that others have gone through it too.

  69. The shoe company Skechers, didn’t it used to be Sketchers? A friend of mine posted something about it on Facebook that he remembers there being a “t” in the name, and I believe that I do too…

    1. Yes! i remember because some of their commercials involved drawing and art. I cannot find any of these commercials now. If anyone can find any of them will they please reply to this.

    2. John O, I remember this too! My son and I have both owned a couple of pairs of these shoes over the years (very comfortable shoes!)… the company was ALWAYS called “Sketchers”. In fact, my son who is now 20 was just recently using my computer to check out their shoes online, and was showing me some of them. They were “Sketchers”. We both would have noticed if it had changed to “Skechers”…. this looks completely wrong. This is definately freaky.

      1. When did that happen? I agree Anne, it has accelerated. It is absolutely Sketchers. I have zero doubt.

      2. I agree Anne, it seems that the changes are accelerating. After speaking to my son about the change of the “Sketchers” shoes to “Skechers”, he was completely baffled as well. This one change I can pinpoint to occurring within the last 2 months. The last time we were checking out the shoes online was in July, and we both can say, without a doubt, they were called “Sketchers”.

    3. Oh my gosh – Skechers???? That looks completely ridiculous. I always thought Sketchers was kind of a cute name. If I came across the word scechers in another context, I wouldn’t even know how to pronounce it. Skek-ers? I have to look this one up for myself – it’s so unbelievable! This one might be a good one to introduce the Mandela Effect to people.

    4. I remember the t in sketchers. It has to be. As a child, i owned a soft rubber keychain that said Sketchers. I played with it all the time as a kid because it was a fun bendy doodad in my room. I remember always bending it and folding it. It was black with white text and i dont recall what i did with it. I cant even find it online. Is it because it was such a small product that was not actually endorsed or does it not exist in this timeline anymore because of the spelling change? I cant even find one with the current spelling.

    5. I posted the below comment under the newest posts comments because this issue didn’t come up when I used the site search function.
      Ske_____ers brand shoes?

      My memory has it as Sketchers, as in Sketchy. This “universe” has it as Skechers as in ???

      Interestingly, the only place online I found talking about it was and in the comments, someone posts

      KarlHungus35 3 points 2 days ago

      I thought sketchers.

      (you should cite your source [] rather than pretend you figured it out in your own)
      The only thing is, I can’t find it on this site. Am I the first posting about it?
      After doing a site specific search on Google ( sketchers) I found your reply. I haven’t checked the dates/times to see if the reddit poster is correct that the person got the doppelganger* from here.

      Based on the lack of search results this seems to be a recent merge. As frequently is the case, the differently remembered version makes more sense/requires less explanation than the physical “ground truth” version. Why wouldn’t it be spelled with a “t”? Sketch is a real word. The “inside joke” was that Sketchers were worn by sketchy people. Skech isn’t a word, and there aren’t any skechy people.

      We’re also discussing this at .


    6. FaceBook provides a rich inventory of occurances of Sketchers. The Following page has comments up till 2012. All off the comments refer to Sketchers. Even the posters linking to YouTube commercials that show Skechers branding, and even one link to the company website. automatically resolves to, but if you look at the wayback machine you can see that the site was crawled many times as, as well as .

      Fascinating and maddening research subject.


      1. Here is the comment my friend made about it, with a picture of his shoe. Funny my friend brings up Chick Fil A another ME in his comments. I have left his name and others off.

        “My Friend”
        September 26 at 4:21pm ·
        My Friend – How did I not know there wasn’t a “T” in the shoe company Skechers???
        photo of his shoe
        Like Comment Share
        5 people like this.
        One of his other friends – You should have known; *I* knew.
        Like · Reply · September 26 at 4:26pm
        A friend of his – How did you *not* know?
        Like · Reply · September 26 at 6:53pm
        A friend of his – They are my favorites!
        Like · Reply · September 26 at 6:59pm
        My Friend – I never really paid attention to it until I was waiting in line at Chick Fil A today waiting for my food. Looked down out of pure boredom and noticed it.
        Like · Reply · September 26 at 7:38pm
        Me – If it makes you feel any better, I thought it was Sketchers too….
        Like · Reply · 1 · September 27 at 6:14pm

  70. Hi, I’m Al and I just turned 21 a couple of weeks ago. As a little background, I’ve been very interested in “conspiracies” and the metaphysical since a very young age–I remember the first books I ever checked out at my elementary school library were about UFOs, and to this day things of a similar nature have been fascinating to me as a hobby at the very least, if not garnering me a thoughtful, philosophically skeptical worldview.

    First, as it relates to the shared, evidently “false” memories — I VERY clearly remember Billy Graham dying some years ago. I specifically recall my mother telling me about it, and how my grandfather (who I *believe* was already deceased at the time, hard to say exactly) was or would have been sad and upset to hear the news as he was a big fan and donor to his TV ministry. Furthermore, I recall seeing Fred Phelps, the late former head pastor for the infamous Westboro Baptist Church, going off on a zealot’s rant about Graham’s passing–as proof, I have even found it and it can be seen at this link:

    What’s more, I also recall Fidel’s death from cancer, his brother taking over in his stead, and Cuba having something of a mild social revolution as a result. It’s about 4:30am local time as I type this, so I don’t especially care to fact check on that one at the moment, my apologies.

    I also do recall the line in Snow White being “Mirror, Mirror”, BerenStEIn Bears, Snap, Krackle, Pop, learning about Rosa Parks as a much older woman, different Oceania geography, Schultz with bonus “T”, sex being located within the city, not with the city and its denizens themselves, life being like a box of chocolates in the PRESENT (is) tense, and interestingly, chartreuse happening to be my favorite color–but I’ve always known it as a shade of green. I more commonly refer to it as “Kermit green” to avoid explaining studio art major terminology to other people. I’ve gotten Matt Damon, Mark Wahlberg, and Leo DiCaprio confused as long as I’ve known them as actors, and when I was about 9 or 10 I developed and absolute OBSESSION with the Beatles–to relate to Fiona’s earlier comment, I also liked Ringo the best, for no particular reason.

    Given the time in my locale and the forum rules, I will try to avoid discourse–I would like to extend for individual interpretation of anyone reading this, that I am of the strong opinion that these large-scale, uncanny anomalies are happening to us as a result of what I believe to be a tremendous act of warfare waged on our consciousness’ that we are fundamentally unaware of. This is largely a result of age-old human constructs of living, all of which bear little to no meaning on the way we could be happily existing in accordance with the natural law of the universe.

    The issue at hand is that we still instead live in accordance with ideological absolutes. Ironically, many of us live increasingly in societies groping towards a world based in “equality”, blind to the fact that anyone who actually believes that their ideology is absolutely right, while someone else’s is absolutely wrong–sometimes to the point of murder or martyrdom–demonstrates the precise kind of egoism that will forever prevent any semblance of true equality from taking hold in our civilization. Shouting an opinion to a group of internet slacktivist friends until brain aneurysm occurs is in this exact same vein of egoism and lazy, petty regard for a cause as radical zealotry, and is typically even much more ineffectual. Equality at its most authentic comes from a place of intrinsic peace and solidarity from within the individual, not from being politically correct or making a production out of the “inequality” something or someone else has caused that individual, who is just as oppressed as they see fit.

    The issue, in essence, is that we’ve been bastardized and made insane by the expectation of happiness from the human world around us–when the key to freedom is internal and intangible; we’re just trying far too hard to grasp it.

    Thank you for reading.


    1. Al, those are some interesting thoughts. I don’t completely agree, but I’m enthusiastically in accord when you say that freedom is internal.

      As long as people understand that — no matter what is going on — they’re not alone with these odd memories, and it’s possible that most people around them are coming to terms with “different” memories of their own, there’s no reason to feel upset by this.

      We’re at the early side of the Diffusion of Innovation bell curve. Others will join the conversation as they see awareness increase and more people talk openly about their alternate memories.

      We may not agree about our memories or what’s causing them, but I think it’s comforting to know we’re far from alone with what we recall.

  71. Re the Charles Schulz/Schultz thing… I feel I have conflicted memories on this, though Schulz is starting to feel correct again. But a vague memory that just popped into my mind is of reading a foreword in one of the Peanuts collections from, I think, the 1970s, in which he complains that readers are persistently misspelling his name. Peanuts started in the 1950s so this would have been after about 15-20 years of the strip, give or take. Can anyone confirm this, or is it my imagination?

    Regards, Nate

  72. I became rather confused today reading about Banksy, the well-known graffiti artist. I have a distinct memory that he died a few years ago. Looked it up online, and it turns out that a similar artist, named King Robbo, died last year. Thought at first I had confused the two, but I recall Banksy’s death being 2013, or possibly 2012. Does anyone else recall this?

  73. I did a search and nothing came up so if this has been mentioned already my apologies: what about the fast food place Chick-Fil-A? I have asked many people and many recall the same as I – there used to be no K in the spelling. Can anyone else verify this?

    Fascinating topic – creepy and mind blowing at the same time. Something is definitely happening no doubt in my mind.

    1. Jeff, it’s been mentioned, but searches at this site will return results only from my articles, not the comments. If I see many more comments about this, I’ll start an article for these threads. You’re not alone in that alternate memory.

      1. Holy carp. Another one. Always remember it as Chic no K. So does the wife. Yelp and Tripadvisor still have some locations as Chic.

    2. Jeff, Fiona and Dan,

      I was going to post about this subject today but you beat me to it… I have no doubt that Chic-Fil-A has now turned into Chick and so do all of my family and friends.. My sister eats them by the bucket load and when I told her that Chic was now spelled with a K and that this appeared to be one more thing on the Mandela Effect list, she was in disbelief!

      I did some research and though there is no evidence of any of the restaurants being called Chic_Fil-A, there are many people, including ex employees, who call it Chic-Fil_A… I find it very hard to believe that so many employees wouldn’t know how the name of company they worked for was spelled!

      Here’s the link to the employees calling it Chic-Fil-A.–fil–a/reviews?fcountry=US

      There are tons of sites showing advertisements and people referring to it as Chic-Fil-A but this forum doesn’t allow a list of links to be posted.

      For me this is as mind blowing and FRUIT LOOPS changing into FROOT.

      1. I did hours of research into this tonight. I was able to figure out how to search digitized newspapers on google! How cool. In the newspapers, there are many classifieds of “Chic-fil-A” (all hyphenated, no K) hiring people for their restaurants. What is the chance that a restaurant would hire people and spell the name of their establishment wrong? Very little. Here are some examples:

        1982 news paper all Chic-Fil-A,5337373&hl=en

        1990 all Chic,3498556&hl=en

        1981 all Chic – but picture has Chick,697280&hl=en

        1999 classified as from Chic fil a hiring for workers,363199&hl=en

        1989 classified as from Chic fil a hiring for workers,549804&hl=en

        Oddly enough, when you change the news paper search to “Chick” you start to get many, many more newspaper articles published in 2004 and on-wards. I’m not sure if that indicates a change or not. There are still news papers with “Chick” in it before 2004 as well, just many more after ’04.

        The thing is, in “this” timeline that we’ve ended up in it’s always been Chick fil-A. It’s only our memories that have it as “Chic-fil-A.” The classifieds could indicate that those peoples memories were intact all the way back to the 80s.

        I’m still trying to figure out how we can determine what changes when. We need a way to compare our memories to what we see every day and pinpoint when these changes happen.

        I was thinking about it tonight, and it’s like someone has gone back and changed the past so that events that we know happened never happened. In THIS timeline, they chose to call it “Chick-fil-A.” The owner never decided to end the word at the end of the syllable “Chic-ken.” He chose to make it more like a baby “Chick” I suppose, or to make it a word like “Chick” rather than only use the first syllable of the word “Chic-ken.” The past we know never happened in this timeline. That event doesn’t exist. It’s not in the past of this timeline. Someone did something to make it so it never happened, and our timeline is different.

        This is just like someone decided not to put the word Fruit into what is now called “FROOT LOOPS.” Which, now that I’ve told my wife about this, she says is just disturbing when she looks at the box. She says, “It doesn’t feel right.” The person who made that choice didn’t pick Fruit, they made up a word to get extra loops in the name and called it FROOT instead. The Fruit event never happened. Something changed in the past so that person never made that choice. It very well maybe that a single box of Fruit Loops spelt that way doesn’t exist in this timeline.

        How did we end up here with memories of things that don’t exist? The things we remember never existed. We are like strangers in a strange land.

        Is someone or some group time traveling and getting sloppy about it? Have they caused unintended consequences, and we are now in the time travelers timeline that they keep messing up? We’re in the timeline where they left, went to the past, and came back and things have changed. Or are we somehow jumping timelines? Why are we jumping timelines, and can we ever get back to our original one?

        This is all disturbing on some level, but I need to figure out the cause of this. There’s got to be a way to determine when the shifts happen, or was this one or two or a few major shifts?

        1. Dan, thanks for the research! For future reference: All comments are moderated, and I approve them once a day, usually only on weekdays. (In the right column of most pages at this site, you’ll see what my current moderation schedule is.)

        2. Dan,

          Great research on Chic-Fil-A ! .. I also found several sites calling it Chic but couldn’t get my list of links to post.

          The links you provided and also the ones I read prove that many people KNOW the spelling of the fast food chain as Chic-Fil-A with no K !!! When ex employees spell it as Chic with no K, you know something is very wrong with the current picture, or should I say, spelling.

          I believe this to be a rather recent change.. At least it is for me.. I find it hard to believe that I, along with so many other people never saw the K… I’m not sure how recent the Fruit Loops change is, since I stopped eating them several years ago but I know how the cereal was spelled and it was not FROOT.. I agree with your wife.. It is very disturbing to have our reality change and not understand why.

          1. I guess I’m the oddball here. I’ve always known it as ‘chik’ with a K and no C. And this chain has been in the news quite a bit lately in the US due to it’s controversial stand on certain issues. I’ve never seen the ‘chick’ or ‘chic’ spelling until I came to this website. No one else remembers the K-only version of the spelling?

        3. Writing “chick” in romanji characters yields צחק in Hebrew or יצחק meaning Isaac ( Out of Abram/Abraham and Jacob/Israel, Isaac was the only one whose name remained unchanged. It is believed that Isaac’s name was not changed since God named him and a covenant was established directly with him.

          Seems heavily related to the “yovel” and what we are seeing. (

          There is another post here regarding the Piggly “V”iggly from the movie Driving Miss Daisy that I posted and either it is related to the anomalies or perhaps I am making a connection with English changes reflected in Hebrew that is on the brims of “absurdity”…or a little bit of both.

          Also mentioned previously, I find there to be a big difference between ברנשטן and ברנשטיין .

          A veil being uncovered

  74. I noticed a change today. The topic of “old west” guns came up with my 10 year old and Wyatt Earp was mentioned. I asked him if he’d ever heard of “the shootout at the OK Corral” and he said no, so I Googled. The event and the 1957 movie (that I watched with my westerns loving grandpa) are both called “the gunfight at the OK Corral”. I found one “shootout” title on a webpage (on a this day in history page entry), and Google does suggest “shootout at the OK Corral movie”, but several articles refer to the movie cementing the “gunfight at the OK Corral” name. Some details of the gunfight and aftermath are also a little different from what I remember.

  75. I discovered this website a week ago after seeing a youtube clip on the Mandela Efect. Since then I haven’t stopped investigating this phenomenon as it has been as I know for an abolute fact that these changes in our reality have occured. I remember watching a video on an astrologer about a year ago who warned to not be too unsettleed when we start to notice changes in our reality or notice our friends and family have different memories to our own about certain events. She said that the time lines are begining to merge into one. Just today I was reading a major news website online and the journo writing this particular acticle wrote “The US and Britain have faced a near impossible ‘dilemna’…… When I looked up the word ‘dilemna’ in an online dictionary it says ‘do you mean dilemma? and it gives you more suggestions for your search. So are we meant to belive that journalists in major news papers don’t know how to spell?

    Here’s my Mandela Effect list:
    Interview with A Vampire (This one is not even debatable for me as I taped this on video years ago and wrote out the name to label it.)

    1. If you can find the tape, with your own handwriting that would be a proof, if you watched the video again..would it be interview with A vampire or THE vampire.. it would be very interesting to see what it says and the video itself

  76. I’ve been trying to figure out ways to track this in real life and then link it to causes. There has to be a trigger or pattern to follow. Has anyone come up with a way of recording what you know to be your timeline and then comparing it to present day?

    Could we write everything down that we know to be true and then compare it daily to the current timeline? If we did that, would our writing change too, and then we would only have our memory to compare it to? If our memory is all we have, someone would have to read what was recorded, compare it to memory and then record changes. Perhaps we could break the lists up, and split up the work. Lists of company names, slogans, movie lines we know, famous peoples deaths, would birthdays change too? Probably, locations of countries (long and lat), names of countries, names of famous people, band names, and so forth. What do you think? The key is we have to use our memory. I don’t think we could do it electronically. The electronic record would change. All we have is our memories.

    1. Since the alternate memories are shared globally and pertain to global events,the issue gets beyond the manipulation of tech savvy geeks with latest Mac’ os desk top.The best that I can think up is to connect with a collateral memory of some importance,so that the changes explain a tangible difference.

    2. Hi Dan!

      I’m thinking that if all the old Berenstein (I refuse to spell it any other way) Bears books changed, then anything we wrote down would change also! But….I suppose we would still have our memories of what we wrote and no one would know better than ourselves whether we wrote it or not!

  77. I discovered this website two weeks ago after seeing a youtube clip on the Berenstein/stain Bears. I’m Australian and did’nt really know the Berenstein Bears so I wasn’t that interested. However, I googled The Mandela Effect cause it sounded interesting. That’s when I found this site. My mind was instantly blown as with most of the changes being discussed I hadn’t even realised that these changes had occured in the first place and just thought it was a joke. So I spent hours googling things like Interview with a Vampire and Loony Toons over and over again only to find that these changes were real . It felt like I was dreaming and just stared at Wiki and online images ect. tryiing to find a plausable explanation to what I was was seeing/experiencing. Since then I haven’t stopped investigating this phenomenon as I know for an abolute fact that these changes in our reality have occured. I remember watching a video on an astrologer about a year ago who warned to not be too unsettleed when we start to notice changes in our reality or notice our friends and family members having different memories to our own about certain events. She said that the time lines are begining to merge into one. I’ve also heard that there is a time line or time stream for every possible scenario in our reality. I remain open minded about this subject however I do believe in time lines or time streams.

    Here’s my Mandela Effect list:

    Interview with A Vampire This one is not even debatable for me as I’ve labeled a copied version before

    Mirror Mirro – Ummmm. This is just a no brainer isn’t it?

    Sex In The City (Seen it abreviated as SITC in the magazines before)

    Fruit Loops -I believe this change is very recent.

    Looney Toons -this one got to me so bad I had to go for a walk. Tunes doesn’t even make sense to me we’re watching carTOONS. Defintion of Tunes: ‘A melody, especially a simple and easily remembered one.’

    Brian Dennehy Dying -I distintivley remember him dying around the late 2000s somewhere.

    Volvo Sign -would have remmbered it because it’s the friggin male symbol. Who wouldn’t rember that?

    Haley’s Comet not Hally’s

    Star Wars – I have memories of both ‘No Luke (pause) I am your father’ and ‘Luke (long pause) I am your father’. Now we get a watered down version of ‘No, I am your father’ which sounds and feels completely different and far less dramatic.

    Dilemna – Just today I was reading a major news website online and the journo writing this particular acticle wrote “The US and Britain have faced a near impossible ‘dilemna’…… When I looked up the word ‘dilemna’ in an online dictionary it says ‘do you mean dilemma? and it gives you more suggestions for your search. So are we meant to believe that journalists in major news papers don’t know how to spell?

    I have some personal mandela effects too but I’ll leave that for another post.

    Thank you Fiona for this website. This is the only website that I know of that provides us with a platform to openly disscuss this phenomenon and share our memories and experiences. It’s also very useful for poeple who are very unsettled and fearful after having experienced a Mandela Effect. I belive this website has the potential to open up the minds of milions.

    1. Just for some historical context, ‘tunes’ would actually make sense for the name of the show, as would ‘toons’, it looks like an intentional pun. ‘Tunes’ would be because Merrie Melodies/Looney Tunes started out as short musical episodes that were knock offs of sorts of a similar thing Disney was doing at the time. It’s sort of a Wagon Train/Star Trek type deal though where one series that was originally a knock off overshadows the thing it was knocking off of. The Disney musical shorts proved forgettable, and Looney Tunes moved on to make the kind of cartoons we’re more familiar with, but the ‘Merrie Melodies’ aspect was kept. I actually think there may be an etymological connection between the modern ‘Toon’ and Looney ‘Tunes’ since they where very early animation, but I’m not sure on that so don’t quote me.

      However, it’s always been Toons in my timeline as well, so I can’t offer an explanation for the change itself.

      1. I remember the spin off “Tiny Toons” in the 90’s, not sure why they didn’t call it Tiny Tunes…

  78. this is my first post but I’ve been following the site for awhile now.. there’s too much to say so ill just stick to the current topic that I’ve stumbled upon right now.. i’m not sure where to post this comment so please move it to whatever section is best.

    “magic mirror” vs “mirror mirror”

    I remember “mirror mirror” as a child growing up, no doubt about it.. that made me remember the movie Shrek.. in the 1st movie one of the characters is talking to the “magic mirror “.. this character refers to it as the “magic mirror” but then says the chant that everybody remembers “mirror mirror”

    here’s the link;
    (starts around 1:40 if you want to skip through)

    i’m sure ill be posting more in the future.. I just hope the puzzle gets solved.

  79. Spinach – Action Man 1971 (G.Moroder-M.Holm) – YouTube this is a mandella moment for me. I cant find this song as a big hit yet I know this. anyone know this as a hit. I remember singing this as a kid yet. I never would of heard of this in the usa. its europeon song. not a hit even.

  80. I used to remember Van Camp pork and beans as Van de Camp pork and beans, I’m wondering if anyone else remembers this.

  81. What if all these things that we all remember are real but our world collided with another and a transfer or something happened and we switched with the other world. Their world might have been almost the same except for these things we started to notice. Maybe, all this happened in 2012 when the world was supposed to end. Maybe our world did end…?

    1. Abbey, I personally believe its multiple universes colliding as i have some of the same memories as some of you, but i have different memories as well. I know memory is fallible but in my case I have maybe a quarter of the memories as the rest do, it could be some things didnt interest me because its in america and being british Like the Mr Rogers it never crossed over the pond, doesnt mean it hasnt changed but just didnt register. If i had just moved i believe i would have the same memories as everyone else, but i have memories that agree with some people, and disagree with others memories. I feel that something happened to me in 98, and 2004 and two other fainter feelings of a change happening

  82. I think I’ve read most of the comments on this page finally, and there are a few more alternate memories mentioned by others, that I have in common – as well as one I haven’t seen on here yet.
    Death of Gene Wilder (he was deceased in my memory)
    Istanbul – not the capital of Turkey apparently.
    Narwhals – never heard of them until I read it in another post…didn’t know they existed

    I also discovered a new word I had never heard of, and I consider myself to have quite an extensive vocabulary. I had never seen or heard the word “posit” until I started reading these forums. I looked up the meaning, but it doesn’t ring a bell…at all. I wouldn’t even know how the word would sound when pronounced verbally.

    One last thing – I read a few comments from readers who had a memory of a hot air balloon ride. Most mention this as a traumatic or frightening memory. I also have this memory – it is very vague and faint, but it is there, and also quite frightening to me. I have a fear of heights, and I can also picture myself sitting in the basket of the hot air balloon, scared to death, and not wanting to look out. I can’t imagine what my family would have ever been doing at a hot air balloon ride place as we were not the type of family to do adventuresome trips such as this. Could it be a dream that seems real? Seems odd that a few of us have this specific memory if it was a dream

    1. Thanks for the insights, Skepticalbeliever, and now I’m very intrigued by the hot air balloon memory. It’s oddly specific and rather unlikely as a dream, though I suppose that’s a reasonable explanation. I’ve never heard it before, as opposed to variations of “dreamed I was on the school bus in my pajamas.”

      1. Ok, so the hot air balloon stuff really resonates with me, as well, and I decided to do a little research.

        Apparently there is a woman – Elizabeth F. Loftus, a Professor of Psychology at the University of Washington – whose career is centered on researching the fallibility of memory, and has done extensive research on false-memories and memory implantation.

        Now, I don’t suggest that this is at all what’s going on here, but I find it extremely noteworthy that one of her most publicized experiments was convincing a group of people in 1994 that they had ridden in a hot air balloon.

        Again, I don’t think it explains the Mandella Effect by any stretch, but I find it unsettling that a mass experiment on memory implantation would be about a ride in a hot air balloon when several of us seem to have a vague, untethered memory of just that.


        1. Dr. Loftus is one of many people insisting that “false memories” explain many things, including the Mandela Effect. If that works for her, that’s fine, I suppose. For me, it seems to trivialize genuine memories that don’t fit mainstream thinking, including abuse claims, past-life memories, and alternate memories that may be from another reality.

          1. I agree that it is definitely dismissive, and I don’t follow her reasoning or belief system at all.

            I just thought it was eerie that she conducted a specific experiment about hot air balloons as a part of her research. Creepy, and unethical, if you ask me.

            1. PhoenixRaech, I agree. Absolutely creepy, and — given how extraordinary the hot air balloon memory is — I’m wondering how commonplace it is to use that imagery in experiments like hers… and if hers was one of many similar (but unreported) experiments that could explain some of this.

          2. As I believe you’ve pointed out, Fiona, so many of these memories, false or not, are about the same thing………….VERY large quantities of people ALL being “wrong” about the same thing, down to the same details pertaining to each instance….what are the odds that it’s JUST false memories?

            1. I agree, Jordan. I have the luxury of seeing emails and memories people post in confidence, and they’re often matches down to the last details… things they couldn’t have read on this site because those details weren’t made public. Things I search for, in case they’re the product of a conversation at another site, and it turns out that nothing close comes up in Google.

              I know what my memories are, but creating this website and seeing the repeated confirmation of these kinds of memories — and the diversity of alternate memories, from a wide range of backgrounds — has really made me a believer.

            2. I don’t think it’s JUST false/implanted memories, by any stretch. I think it’s likely that there are SEVERAL things going on here. Some esoteric and/or metaphsyical, some intentional, and some – possibly in the case of hot air balloons, specifically – implanted.

              As Fiona mentioned, there are likely many instances of unreported social experiments that are conducted, and I would venture to guess that many of them are NOT done with consent.

              I don’t think it explains the entirety of the Mandela Effect: There are just too many shared, specific, personal memories for that to be feasible. And, there is no way implanted memories could explain moving countries, etc.

              I definitely believe there is something going on here that is outside the realm of our current understanding, and I believe it is ramping up in intensity, as well. But, I also think it stands to reason that there may be multiple explanations for what we are observing and discussing.

              Trying to find one answer for all these questions may be too narrow-minded, and may keep us from seeing the bigger picture.

      2. After reading in a couple of different places of people having these similar hot air balloon memories, I started to suspect that it could possibly be some kind of memory implantation experiment, so I googled it. And there actually was an experiment in 2002, where researchers tried to implant a false memory of taking a hot air balloon ride as a child, and it worked 50% of the time.
        I think this one was done on adults, and you’d think that if this were the explanation, people would link it to the psychology experiment they took part in.

        However, lots of these memory experiments have also been done on children, and some researchers involved have questioned the ethics. We also know of at least one ethically questionable online psychology experiment, the one that happened without people’s consent on Facebook. So there could be many that we don’t know about. They have even implanted memories into mice while they sleep. I have been wondering for a while how many of the Mandela Effects are a genuine alternate history, how many are from suggestibility or other phenomena of the mind (I think some probably are), and if any could have been implanted memories.

        1. I have to say WOW in regards to the research done on memory implantation that involved a hot air balloon ride. And I agree that this is definitely creepy and unsettling. This actually brings about more questions than answers for me…..if this is how some of us have this hot air balloon memory, then how were the memories implanted without us knowing? We obviously didn’t knowingly partake in an experiment about memory implantation and then forget we were in the experiment, did we?
          I wonder whether this was done thru pharmaceuticals, wireless technology or what???
          I’ve noticed 5 other people (from comments page 7) plus the 3-4 on this page who have this memory. I’d like to know if there’s something we all have in common that may be a clue, for instance, age? location? health history? etc.
          The info on this whole site becomes increasingly intriguing everyday, but this whole hot air balloon memory that some of us are experiencing is truly the most bizarre, and honestly quite frightening one that I’ve encountered. I’d love to hear back from the others who posted that share this memory, or any newbies that may have not posted about it yet.

    2. SkepticalBeliever (COOL name, btw….I’m jealous),

      I think your memory of Gene Wilder’s death is more of a premonition. It just so happens he’s on the cover of one of the grocery store checkout line rags this week, and he REALLY doesn’t look well……sad but true! OOH! Maybe THAT can be my handle.

      Sad But True

      1. Actually, Jordan, I think Gene Wilder’s death was mentioned earlier on this site, maybe a few years ago. I know I commented on it somewhere. I heard it on the radio in my car, either as I was about to park or when I was getting back in to my car after being at a local strip mall that had a Trader Joe’s. I had the thought that maybe now he could be reunited with his beloved Gilda Radner.

    3. I saw the post about the hot air balloon memory on the homepage and it just kind of confused me, but the weirdest thing happened when I read your sentence about sitting in a hot air balloon, I had this vivid image flash in my head of myself crouching in the corner of a balloon basket and I remembered that I had a dream about that one time. I don’t know if this is just the hive mind thing but it was weird because i didn’t relate to the hot air balloon thing at all until I read that sentence and then I suddenly vividly saw that moment from that dream like a movie still. Mine was definitely a dream though because I was with people I knew and characters from TV shows that I watched at that time, but I now clearly remember being in a corner of the basket crying because I wanted to get out and then being relieved once I did.

  83. …Anyone else happen to remember a version of the movie Roots that followed Alex Haley’s family up until the present day (60s-80s ish) through the Civil Rights movement? I remember seeing a TV version of the movie growing up and was very confused when I rewatched it with my family years later and it stopped with the family reaching freedom after the war.

    1. I have no memory of a hot-air balloon ride but my father used to tell me stories about going to a fictional land in a hot-air-balloon)
      I wonder if there’s something about this imagery which is suggestive of something; something about the imagery which is common when thinking about switching realities? For instance, a hot-air balloon is also used in The Wizard of Oz. There’s the obvious way it goes into the ‘heavens’ but if there is some forgotten sensation that is similar to taking a balloon ride or…something, it could be interesting)

  84. I am 58 years old and you kids are trippin’. Chartreuse has always been greensih-yellow, no way it was ever red., you are thinking of carnelian. The Lindberg baby was found dead to respond to a few comments. It is called being high , I also solved the mystery of life after taking LSD and watching Late Great Planet Earth or something. Have fun but don’t let this shit blow your mind.

    1. Karen, I’m approving this for sheer amusement. Some people posting in these conversations are older than you and the 60s were probably just as good to them as they were to you. Most are not.

      I’m glad someone (apparently you) has solved the mystery of life, but in forest/trees style, you’re missing the point (and perhaps the seriousness) of this website.

      1. My mum is in her 80’s and she remembers mirror mirror and she saw snow white when it first came out in the cinema’s and she remembers the henry the 8th picture.. i think she is one of the oldest who remembers a difference..

          1. My mum got really angry when i said it was never mirror mirror.. because she has a distinct memory of everything about that, how she had to be taken out as she got upset.. she even asked me did they have a different version for the UK as opposed to the US.. and she started asking the people she knows and most of them say mirror mirror.. and these are 60 plus in ages..and If you knew my mum she will not let anything rest till she finds out the truth.. this is what she said “I remember going to the Hippodrome would have been 1938 to see Snow White and the Seven Dwarfes, I know that Ethel Rushton (who used to live in North Road) took me I know I got upset when the evil witch was talking to the mirror. and I remember distinctly coming out of the side entrance nearest to the car Park which is still there with Ethel. and her trying to comfort me” so for her its a distinct memory,

      2. Mystery of life and secrets of universe were solved by a certain M.Delacquis of a small french village,Pont-Saint-Esprit,in August 1951,apparently thru the agency of Rye bread contaminated with Ergot fungus.Though conspiracy theorists say CIA laced the breads with LSD,so the credit of solving the mystery of life goes to the first person who solved it,M.Delacquis,I am so so sorry,but let the truth prevail.

      3. I’m 51 and have never taken an illegal drug in my life. I’ve only drank a little too much alcohol twice in my life, after which I went to sleep. I remember a ton of alternate memories and would pass a lie detector test on my surety. Reality is freaky and mysterious – no tripping needed.

        1. Julia, I think your drug & alcohol history is a close match for most of us at this site. (At Dragon Con’s “green room,” I’m always the odd person steadily turning down alcohol at Saturday’s & Sunday’s parties. I tried drinking a couple of times in college, and couldn’t see the appeal of it.)

          1. MM i too tend to be tee total, from everything.. could that be something we have in common, we dont like the loss of control, because our world is moving and we sense it more… so avoid or limit mind altering substances..

              1. I have read and heard (often on Coast to Coast) of people with some sort of psychic ability that they’ve had since they were young – generally seeing spirits – who were at first really confused and uncomfortable with these abilities. So at some time they turned to alcohol or some other mind-altering substance, and their abilities were numbed or disappeared all together. I think that’s what certain substances do, at least for some people.

                1. Good observation, Julia. And, since I’ve been a guest speaker at many ghost-related conferences and events, I’m nodding in agreement. I’ve heard many comments during tours of haunted sites, where the attendee came up to me and said, privately, “You know, I used to think I sensed ghosts when I was a kid. As a teen, it scared me. Then I had my wild college years and forgot all about it. Now, I’m beginning to think I might have been psychic all along.”

                  I know that some people think mind-altering substances improve their psychic sensitivity. For others, those substances make the troubling issues fade into the background.

                  Either way, whether the person is investigating ghosts, UFOs, or the Mandela Effect, I think results and conclusions are decidedly unreliable if the person reporting them was not fully in control of his (or her) senses and thought processes at the time.

                  1. 45 ml to 90 ml of whiskey(depending on body weight)taken with mid-day meals,acts as a tonic as well as perception enhancer.In my state of Uttar Pradesh Cannabis paste,made by grinding fresh leaves,is legal and sold via licenced kiosks.Cannabis dilates time.With LSD,or rye fungus ergot,both the effects of whiskey as well as cannabis are achieved to a far greater degree.For some persons the mysteries of universe may unravel and time may dilate upto 20 times.I am sure some variant of LSD or the natural product,ergot fungus,has been perfected in intelligence affiliated labs to create super humans.Suppose a boy aged 20 yrs is given that drug for 3 yrs,he would have experienced life to its full potentialities even while having faculties of a fresh energy,the boy could be quite willing to serve his masters who have given him the maximum, life may offer,for the rest of his remaining life which may not be more than a couple of yrs as I understand maths of destiny.Here I may cite the lives of London and presley,without connecting them with LSD,in any case LSD was discovered more than 2 decades after London’s death.

                    1. There’s a show that just came out called Limitless about this exact thing, the guy becomes a slave to a government official in order to get mind enhancing drugs.

            1. Martin, well said. “Loss of Control”, may well apply to other aspects of the Mandela Effect. Our memories, we are still in control of ours, and maybe other’s are not? Just a thought. Mike H.

    2. Wait a minute, now…….

      Karen just might be on to something here! Maybe we all need to look at this matter from a whole new, um, perspective……


      Sorry Fiona!

      Quick disclaimer:

      Miss Fiona Broome does NOT condone the use of explicit, mind-altering drugs. The views expressed by these posts are those of the individual post-er and nor necessarily shared by her.

      Gotcha covered, kid!

  85. Okay, so I remember Jiffy peanut butter, and when I looked it up, it’s Jif? Also, I remember it as Fruit Loops, not Froot Loops. And I clearly remember Berenstein Bears, not Berenstain. I also remember Charles Schultz, not Schulz. And I remember “Luke, I am your father.”

  86. Regarding the most recent changes, I remember:
    Shoot out at the OK corral
    Life IS like a box of chocolates
    JC Penny
    Steven Segal
    No narwals (what the hell??)

    Now, for a little Reality Residue. For those unfamilar with the term, this is a phenomenon in and of itself, when somehow some visage of the old timeline(s?) or reality/realities that us Effecters are from (depending on your working theory) somehow survives/crosses over (again, depending on one’s theory). Here is some reality residue regarding Steven Se#gal, an article dating back to 2009 that discusses his ponytail length (try not to laugh) and how some martial arts institution was warning him that it was getting close to surpassing regulation length. Not only is he repeated referred to as SEGAL, quite fortuitously the article includes a scan of an autographed photo of Se#gal that is clearly signed SEGAL!!!

  87. My memories, some with commentary. I will openly admit that for me, some or all of these may be simple misremembering, and some of them are fuzzier than others. At least a few seem like they point to something less mundane than ordinary misremembering. I have no explanation for what exactly that “something” is but I have enjoyed reading many of the theories posted here. I tend to wonder if it isn’t some kind of natural or artificial phenomenon altering our collective memories rather than some change or shift in the external, “real” world.

    I very clearly remember pronouncing the name Bear-en-steen Bears and remember it being spelled Berenstein. Seeing it spelled with an “A” is just unsettling and “off.” My wife agrees that she always remembered it as Berenstein and when she first noticed the Berenstain spelling as an adult when she brought out her old books, she thought it was very odd. I never saw the animated show, so the pronunciation in the theme song cannot be the source of this for me. If I did not have an old book nearby with the -stain spelling, I would be tempted to think everyone was pulling my leg. Like if you told me that it was spelled “Dr. Suess,” not “Dr. Seuss,” and always had been.

    I would have said that it was “Fruit Loops,” but seeing the “Froot Loops,” logo on the box doesn’t seem as a wrong and is not nearly so unsettling for me as a “Berenstain” does.

    I always remembered and quoted the line from Forest Gump as, “Mama always said, ‘Life IS like a box of chocolates.’”

    “If you build it THEY will come,” but I only saw the movie once, so I might be remembering this more from pop culture.

    “Mirror, mirror,” not “Magic Mirror,” but I may have seen the actual Disney version of Snow White once in my whole life, so once again it is possible that my memory is more from pop culture than the movie itself.

    Steven “Segal” not “Seagal.”

    “Sketchers” not “Skechers.”

    “Sex in the City” or “Sex and the City”: I never saw this show and couldn’t have told you which was correct, but someone has mentioned remembering seeing the abbreviation SITC in magazines, and I think I remember seeing this too.

    Somehow “Interview with a Vampire” and “Interview with the Vampire” both sound right to me, like the “dual” memory experience some people have described. Before I read about the disagreement, however, I think I would have said “Interview with A Vampire.”

    Similarly, I can’t figure out if I remember Mr. Rogers singing “THE neighborhood” or “THIS neighborhood” (both sound kind of right to me), but I do clearly remember a later verse where he sang “it’s a neighborly day in THIS beautywood,” which may be confusing my memories of the first verse.

    The Challenger explosion: I used to think that I saw this live, at school, when I was in the second semester of Kindergarten. But if this were true, it would have had to have happened in 1987. I suppose it is possible that they showed us the video of the explosion on the one year anniversary, but it seems weird to intentionally show such young children something like that. This memory also has an especially fuzzy, dreamlike quality.

    We pronounced it “Haley’s” comet, and I distinctly remember it being in 1986. My family pointed to it out to me in the sky but as a small child I couldn’t make it out, really. However, I didn’t not yet know how to read when it came around, so I am not sure how I would have spelled it. For as long as I have known how it was spelled, I remember spelling it “Halley’s.”

    Finding out that Billy Graham’s funeral, which I thought I had seen coverage of on TV, apparently did not happen, was my first experience of this kind. I remembering seeing footage of people and cars outside a church where the visitation or funeral was held, and commentary about Franklin Graham taking over his ministry. I was very confused to find out that he was still alive, and thought that the sources that said he was were mistaken. After a time, my memory began to “adjust” to the new information, and now I find myself thinking that maybe I created a false memory of the funeral from an unrelated news story or footage. But at the time, I certainly did not think so. I was also not confusing him with Oral Roberts, because I first heard Billy Graham was still alive in very late 2009 or early 2010, and Oral Roberts’s funeral was more recent in my mind.

    Billy Mays: this is a weird one, maybe not exactly the “Mandela effect.” I remember that a few weeks or months before he actually died, reading reports of his death that turned out to be a hoax. After his actual death, and ever since, I have not been able to locate any evidence of such a hoax having taken place. The strange thing about this is that I had never heard of him before the “hoax” and had to look up who he was. So I learned about him when he “died” and then within a short time period he actually did die.

    I thought I remembered reading an article several years ago that stated Madagascar was largely uninhabited. I understood this to be one reason that it has such an abundance of undiscovered (or newly discovered) species. However its shape and location look right to me.

    I thought Sri Lanka was to the southwest of the tip of India, somewhat farther away than it is, and more triangular in general shape.

    I did remember Australia being farther from the Asian mainland, with New Zealand to Australia’s northeast (or perhaps east), but I came across this issue a few years ago, and it seems like my consciousness has come to accept the “new” reality to the point that I question those old memories. From what I have read on this and other forums, those who are from the areas in question generally remember the accepted, current reality, which probably bolsters the simple misremembering theory, but I don’t think it’s the only possible explanation.

    Mongolia has always been a separate country from China in my understanding, and the size and shape of China look correct to me.

    For me, there have always been 50 states—the “lower 48” plus Alaska and Hawaii. I remember chuckling when I heard Obama said he had been to all 57 of them. More significantly, and contrary to many people’s memories here, I don’t really recall ever hearing someone mention 51 or 52 states, except as a hypothetical. And I wondered how 51 stars would be arranged on the flag if that ever happened.

    “Dilemma” seems right, but the “dilemna” spelling does ring a faint bell. I think I remember once spelling rhythm “rhythmn” and learning it was wrong, but this was probably over 25 years ago. The only word that comes to mind in “this reality” with a final M sound and a silent N is “condemn.”

    “Definitely” not “definately.” I have always thought of the latter as simply a common misspelling, perhaps by analogy of “separately.” Many of you have me wondering now.

    I always thought NASA invented Tang and Velcro, but not Teflon.

    I have a fuzzy memory of a Henry VIII with turkey leg painting, but not the goblet detail.

    Although I had no specific memories of his death, I was very surprised that Yogi Berra was still alive until recently. I had always assumed that he died before I was born or in my childhood given the way that even in the 80s and early 90s people spoke of him in the past tense, as if he weren’t around anymore.

    And last but not least, though this is called the Mandela Effect, I do NOT remember Nelson Mandela dying in the early 90s. I remember seeing a movie about him when I was a child in the late 1980s and it really upset me. It had an epilogue saying he was still imprisoned, I remember him being set free a few years later, and I do not remember anything in the media about him dying (until his more recent death). If I were not aware of the wider phenomenon being discussed, I would simply ssume that people conflated his story with Steven Biko’s, who died in the 1970s.

    1. I think we all have this, is it real, or is it just our false memories, we check and double check and check again then we come up with our memories MAY be wrong but how can so many people be wrong about the same thing.. so we have to accept something is weird.. doesnt stop us checking every single time when thinking about things. You are not alone in questioning yourself..

    2. Are people saying that they remember teflon being created by NASA or that it was created by NASA in a new reality? I always knew it as being created by DuPont because I grew up fairly close to one of their factories and my parents would always start talking about how teflon was toxic when we passed it, and I just double checked and in the current reality it was created by DuPont.

      1. Em, I think you’ve misunderstood some of our conversations. I think Dan made the NASA/Teflon issue clear in his comment,

        When someone reports an event that doesn’t match our current history, they are saying that it might be from another reality. It’s generally assumed that, before reporting a contrary memory here, people have already researched the memory to see if there’s a logical explanation. (See Terms: Comments.)

        In some cases, they’ll ask if they’ve overlooked something in their research. Most of the time, they’re asking if anyone else remembers whatever-it-is, too. In Dan’s case, he says he’s researched it and he’s commenting about his astonishment that NASA wasn’t the inventor of Teflon, Tang, and Velcro.

  88. Ok I just caught up for some reason I had problems loading the new page….t the lady whose grandfather created three rooster logo on kelloggs boxes… yes I do remember it it had green and red feathers I don’t recall any other colors.

    Steven segal, Nichole nickels passed, chic-fil-a, proctor and gamble, jc penny, sketchers (that’s very recent), Alaska is changing. Another weird one…. the shoot out at the ok corral. I live in Kansas, we have a whole town (dodge city) dedicated to the old west since wyatt was Marshall there.

    It was always Leo in inception for me, Matt Damon seems very wrong.

    And strangely I have a vivid Disney dream…. it happened when I was about 4 or 5 years old… and I was there with my family only it wasn’t my real family. (By the way I’ve never been to a Disney park, this one was Disneyland in California before Disney world was built)… I remember riding the tea cups and it’s a small world after all… I had a fabulous time and remember I didn’t want to leave but knew I had to wake up. Over the years, I’ve kinda contributed it to an oobe.

    I have no idea what a narwhal is.
    I have quoted Forrest Gump for years, I’ve seen it every year since most recently last month and at that time it was still… momma always said life was like a box of chocolates.

    1. ayla, it’s been brought to my attention that there’s something odd about Brian’s 15 Sep 15 comment. If it appears to be the comment that broke the comments, I’ll see if deleting it is helpful.

      Update: ayla, you’re right. As of this morning (2 Oct 2015), that Brian’s comment kept drifting to the end of the page, despite its earlier date. Very odd. So, as a precaution, I put it back in “pending” and may delete it altogether, since it’s the second apparently anomalous comment by him.

      1. so the 15 9 .. add those two numbers and you get 24.. LOL just saying.. (had to go out feeling a little giddy as the heat is killing me and stuff)

        1. So, we now have strangeness associated with 22, 23, and 24… right? (Lottery players, note these numbers! LOL)

          Thanks, Martin Williams, and stay cool!

  89. Hey everyone!

    My turn to weigh in though, I admit, I am newbie to this whole Mandela Effect idea. I just ;earned of this about three days ago. I follow all sorts of conspiracy and fringe-type beliefs….believe some, not others, but enjoy them all. Food for thought, as they say. This particular one, whether one chooses to subscribe to it or not, is just plain FASCINATING. While I do try to keep an open min, I do see incredible potential for possible, simple down-to-earth explanations for quite a few of the instances being posted here. The mind is a tricky and not overly-understood thing. It can play tricks on you. Plus, we live in a day and age where everyone gets all their information from the internet (which is NEVER wrong) and far too many people believe everything they hear far too easily. Case in point, just a few weeks ago, it was all over Facebook and some other social media sites that James Earl Jones died. A couple years ago, these same sites were chock full of posts that Will Smith had been killed while performing his own stunt while shooting a movie. Both of these reports turned out to be hoaxes (and real knee-slappers too) that SOME people who read them may not necessarily have heard the follow-up reports that they were, in fact, hoaxed. When the voice of Darth Vader DOES pass away, there will probably be a few people who say…”What? I thought he passed away years ago!”
    Having said that, I clearly remember the Berenstein Bears and the Crayola color “Flesh”. I was born in 1968, six years after Crayola says they quit calling that color by that absurd name. It would have probably been the mid-70s by the time I was actually using that color, so add a few more years difference.
    I tried an experiment of my own….without any mention of the Mandela Effect, I have asked quite a few people if they remember how to spell the name of the bears (pronouncing it Beren-STEEN, as I have my whole life) and if I was pronouncing it correctly. Without exception, everyone remembers it spelled and pronounced that way. I like to live by laws and there are two big ones to follow: the law of averages and simple logic. The law of averages should dictate that if BerenSTAIN has always been spelled that way, SOMEONE should remember it but, outside of comment sections like the one on this site, I have yet to run into anyone. And even the ones that DO recall it total a small number, which leads me to the simple logic…..if 1000 people remember something one way and a dozen remember another, the dozen is probably the one that is incorrect….though, in this case, I don’t know that “incorrect” actually applies.
    Now, some thoughts I’ve had since stumbling upon this WONDERFUL and ADDICTING subject…..
    I’ve read this referred to (several times, in fact) as “this timeline” or “time manipulation”. I don’t feel that TIME is the issue here. If this were ripples in time of a break in the space-time continuum, none of us should be aware of the changes…unless, of course, we were outside the time line when the change occurred. No, I think the references to “alternate reality” or a “merging” of realities, is more suspect. What fascinates me most is that MOST of us are aware of the Berenstein issue, but much less are aware of the Mandela issue. I recall very clearly it was a big deal when he got out of prison and then, when he was about to die, he lingered for DAYS and just wouldn’t give up the ghost. Even less of this population seem to have the problem with the Challenger date of January 28, 1986…..I was a senior in high school and can still see the look on my American History teacher’s face when it was announced over the PA. I recall the launch had been scrubbed a few times earlier that week due to weather and, earlier that very morning, before going to school, there was a live shot of the shuttle sitting on the launch pad. My stepdad was getting ready to go to work and he made a comment about how the damn thing was still sitting on the ground. I, obviously, remember the details very well. The point I’m attempting to convey is why…….why does a very large percentage recall Berenstein, but a little bit smaller recall Mandela dying in prison, and a little smaller still think the shuttle exploded in 1983 or whenever, and even smaller think New Zealand was wherever, etc., etc. If we are bumping uglies with a parallel universe, why doesn’t an equal number of the population have an issue with each of these topics? My theory is there are MULTIPLE parallels and either we’re bumping more than one at a time or bouncing between two…or we bump one and people wind up displaced and then we bump another and more are displaced, including some that had already been previously displaced. Make sense?

    AND, I’m spent! Thanks for bearing with me!

  90. Hello Fiona! Thank you so much for coining the phrase and this site! I am writing tho on Friday October 2nd.

    I believe I have been at this site for three days now. I have a memory of posting here about New Jersey possibly becoming North and South Jersey under the name Susso. I have not come across it yet, thou I’m sure it will show up. That being said, I know there have been glitches but I dont think there is a problem with the site. We are all here exploring some kind of time shift or whatever…..since we are here, some have seen the changes. I’m suggesting that the site is a little different each shift. And with the time stamps … maybe have everyone type the date as above.
    My first day on the site, it was relatively small compared to what I see today.

    This site is one of the things keeping me sane. I’m freaking out at night … I shake inside … I want to hide in a closet … very anxious … shadows out of the corner of my eyes, feeling someone watching me read the threads here. If I’ve scared you, imagine how I feel -at night- During the day I’m excited! Looking for more! Talking to friends and family and realizing something is off they have changed. I’m also trying to stay in the moment. Why? Maybe I read that somewhere, maybe they want me to be in the present so I don’t see the past changing. Why shouldn’t I embrace this amazing ride? During the day anyway. At night, not a chance.

    Oregon, Montana, Alaska all look wrong to me.
    I thought Bukus a dog was a gift from Adrian for Christmas in Rocky II. Yet watching the first Rocky movie last week the dog was a surprise gift for him to run with. I didn’t have a memory of Rocky running with the dog in the fist movie but I do in the second one.

    There is so much more I want to write but I will attempt to post another time.
    Oh and Fiona, wouldn’t this be a great dating site? We all seem to have something in common.


  91. I had an idea.

    I think we could really use a ‘Mandela version’ of the ‘changed’ countries’ maps.

    I mean, a ‘Mandela Germany’ would be big, and next to a small Poland.

    A ‘Mandela Australia’ would be more rounded in shape, and New Zealand would be closer to it (in one version, on the NorthWest, another could be NorthEast, etc.), and NO SPIKE, plus also .. surrounded by water only, no landmasses anywhere near.

    ‘Mandela Earth’ would be much bigger, so that Australia would look as small as its supposed to (it’s humongous now).

    ‘Mandela China’ would encompass Mongolia into itself, so that Mongolia wouldn’t be anything separate (plus China should really be huge compared to USA, not the same size).

    Maybe in time, we could then get a whole ‘Mandela World Map’ made.

    The problem is, of course, that some of the memories vary, and people remember some of the details differently. So we’d need multiple versions, or we could do just the ‘main countries’ that people agree about. Or what most people agree about.

    That way, we could RECORD this for posterity, before everyone forgets. I mean, the ‘proof’ of the other timeline only exists as this website and the memories of people. Would be great to also have something visual to leave to the next generations, so that the visual proof doesn’t disappear when this generation passes away. Which will happen, sooner or later.

    It’s also possible that some of us will be whisked to yet ANOTHER timeline, so then this timeline has no chance of reconstructing the maps properly, because those people are no longer in this timeline to tell the cartographers what they remember.

    Of course these maps wouldn’t have to be 100% accurate (though, I think that with hypnosis, some degree of accuracy COULD be possibly reached, if we are systematic about it).

    But what a RELIEF it would be to see with your own eyes the “Healthy Map” again… it may even prevent some minds from snapping, some fragile psyches from breaking, some minds from going mad, et cetera.

    We’d just need one good cartographer, and a systematic way of giving that cartographer descriptions of what things should look like, and perhaps vote on what are the best descriptions to give that cartographer.

    What do people here think about this idea?

    How wonderful would it to see Australia looking ‘normal’ again? Just to see the ‘normal Australia’ would be such a relief, even though all the ‘regular maps’ of this timeline show it distorted, mutated and wrong, wouldn’t you think?

    I really wish there was a way to go back and retrieve the proper maps and keep them as a reference and compare what has changed. This could be the next best thing, if done properly, in my opinion.

    1. Permashocked, I absolutely love this idea! If anyone wants to share some alternate maps that match an alternate geography, let me know. I’d be happy to create a webpage of them.

  92. Hitler’s eye color?

    I don’t know if this subject has been brought up on this forum before but one of things that has really upset me lately is the news that Hitler had blue eyes!

    I have seen a lot of footage of Hitler through the years, mostly in black and white, where its looked as though his eyes were very dark… I have always believed that his eyes were brown and most of the footage of close up shots of his face has shown that fact… I recently discovered that his eyes are now blue!!! … I Googled images of Hitler where “recently discovered ” pictures show his very blue eyes and I have to say that it just doesn’t look right to me.

    I have been going through vintage color footage of Hitler showing close up shots of his face.. There aren’t that many that clearly show his eyes but a few I have managed to find show that his eyes were brown .. I found one a few days ago where this was very obvious, but now can’t find that video.. I did however find this one today showing a close up of his face where his eyes look very brown to me.

    Check out this video at time stamp 1:46:10.

    I will look for other examples to post here if anyone else is interested in this subject.

    The fact that Hitler had blue eyes is news to me.. In my reality they were brown and is one of the reasons why I could never understand his belief that blue eyed blonds were superior to other people, since he had neither.. I was also taught that one of his main fears was that he might have had Jewish blood .. but why would he be so paranoid about that possibility if his eyes were blue?

    There are many newly discovered still pictures showing Hitler with very blue eyes.. Just looking at them gives me the willies… I was wondering if anyone else on this forum remembers him having brown eyes?

    1. This has been a recurring topic, but since I believe the issue is based in conflicting historical evidence, secondary at best, I don’t think it’s Mandela Effect. Popular opinion, at least in America, suggests his eyes were brown. That may be true, but it might not. Errors in colorizing photos, propaganda-based reports (on both sides), and so on, are more likely at the root of this.

      I’ve looked at the photos and the apparent first-person accounts, and I think we’re still too close to a very volatile topic. I don’t think we can reach a reasonable conclusion about what his eye color was, even in just this reality. So, I’d like not to use space at this site for that particular topic.

  93. The Wikipedia entry on the Mandela Effect has been deleted! Wiki says this is a fringe theory with no evidence other than one website created by you, Fiona. The reason for the deletion is written in a way that would suggest you’re a lone mad-woman with a little website about a crazy theory you have. It doesn’t mention anything about the hundreds (? More?) people who comment here in support of this effect, who claim to experience this phenomenon of having internal representations of reality, memories and knowledge, that no longer correspond to our shared external reality. It doesn’t even properly describe the effect or your website, so anyone reading their page would come away with the conclusion that the Mandela Effect is some crazy lady’s crazy theory.

    Is there anything we can do about this? If I mention the ME in a group conversation, or on my youtube channel, I’d like to know that people can google it themselves and not end up just seeing this nonsense on Wikipedia!
    New ME’s to add to my growing list include Steven Segal, not Seagal (I’ve no doubt at all about this one); Sketchers – with the “t” (this must have changed in the last year, for me); Mirror, Mirror. As for the Challenger disaster: if you youtube Challenger Hoax, you’ll find many videos showing what appear to be the dead astronauts alive and well and working under similar names. I wonder how that ties in to the differing memories of when the disaster occurred.

    Also, I’m Canadian and I remember learning that Canada sold Alaska to the US. I was a child and I remember feeling rather indignant about that. 🙂 At the time, the Canadian identity consisted of being “not American!” and we’d often hear that a war between Canada and the US would last all of 8 minutes before our crushing defeat, according to some study. and I couldn’t understand why we’d give the Americans Alaska. But apparently, in this reality, it was sold by Russia to the US in 1867! Does anyone else remember the Alaskan panhandle/Alaska belonging to Canada before being sold to the US?

    1. Alex, the Wikipedia issue has taken on a life of its own. Clearly, people feel very strongly about this and there’s an effort to make this website (and, by default, me) look rather mad.

      It’s certainly some of the most high-profile criticism I’ve received, and I’m trying to find a logical explanation for it. Why should anyone feel so threatened by this website, and make such an issue of it, if I’m just another madwoman with a crazy theory? (Rhetorical question.)

      It’s fine with me if people think I’m mad and don’t believe a word I say. However, I’ll confess that I feel a little defensive about the conversations people have had here, and don’t want them tarred with the “crazy” brush.

      The more criticism that springs up, and the more people attempt to trivialize this site and our conversations, the more I wonder if we really have struck a nerve. For me, the weirdest part is how swiftly this occurred. At this point, the critics “doth protest too much,” and that’s likely to bring this site even more visitors.

      As long as we don’t engage them, it’s likely that the critics will move on to something else, soon.

      Regarding the other topics: I’m a little wary of the “crisis actors” theory, but I’ll agree that their evidence can be compelling at times. I agree about Segal and Sketchers. (The first time I saw a Sketchers outlet, I briefly thought it was an art supply store.) My memories of Alaska’s history aren’t specific enough to be sure, but I did think it was part of Canada before the U.S. acquired it. (However, I’m not sure enough to say that’s a Mandela Effect issue for me. Alaska really wasn’t a significant part of my education.)

      1. Fiona, The debunkers and their lackeys are well financed by those who want to propagate their agenda.So mostly it’s financial angle that makes people suppress diagonally opposite concepts,ME is one of many that are regularly targeted.

  94. It would be interesting to know when this phenomenon actually started. Who noticed the E vs. A initially, and how it spread to us all in so short period of time

    My memory has never been very good, only with certain things it is exceptional; others just fall off the radar. So far, nothing up till now has hit me with any real definiteness ME. I remember ‘a’ vampire, ‘in’ city, but not 100% on that. The ONLY thing that has really surprised me is the heart being in the middle.. always believed it to be on the left. Here’s a quick list of weird things that occur on a daily basis for me:

    Disappearing pens, small spoons & socks, traffic lights behaving VERY weird, and, of course the most obvious, how quickly time is moving. Not just for me, but for everyone it seems. I know they say older you get, the quicker time moves, but even speaking with younger generation they’ll tell u it feels fast. Perhaps it’s CERN partly the cause as it perhaps (pure speculation), attempts to speed up the fabric of time to quicken the future to attain desired results faster (similar to moores law)
    There is something very odd I would like to mention though. Yesterday, I picked up an old MAD magazine (dated May 1995) issue 335 and to my surprise I found the following ME related subjects in that very edition
    INTRAVENOUS WITH ‘THE’ VAMPIRE (skit on interview with the vampire)
    And ROBBED SERLING (skit on Rob Serling)
    This feels like a very significant coincidence, almost example of synchronicity perhaps.

    As a sidenote and possible explanation, I read earlier someone suggesting PSIOP, and then someone shooting it down. I wouldn’t necessarily shoot it down. Perhaps it’s ALWAYS been STAIN and some force, probably AI I’m guessing, (or Illuminati or whatever), programmed an E into some of our memories, as an experiment, only to see how the phenomenon might grow. And it HAS grown, organically. Occam’s razor says to follow the simplest path. Surely it’s easier to remote program thoughts and memories into our minds than the concept of parallel universes/timelines etc.

    Just a thought and if anyone can properly debunk it I’d appreciate to rule that out cause yeah something weird is definitely going on.

    There is more i’d like add on the explanations topics but i’l do that on that section rather.

    1. Interesting points. Regarding our thoughts being remotely programmed: I agree that it’s a possibility. Of course that raises questions about which of these memories are being programmed into us, and why. After all, Berenstein Bears may be a widely-recognized issue, but it’s hardly the only alternate memory.

      Still, if your theory is correct, it would be very interesting if we could see when these alternate memories appear in our consciousness. (I’m not convinced that’s possible to track. Usually, people aren’t aware of the change until they run into something conflicting in this reality that can’t be ignored.) From what I’ve seen over the years, there would have to be many, many experiments to see how the phenomenon grows.

      I’d also counter the remote programming “ease” by pointing out that — assuming the programming was being done via TV or a subliminal message delivered when we’re talking on the phone, or something similar — many things are more difficult than that, or at least appear to be.

      If we’ve always been sliding between realities in our dreams — just one of many possibilities — that could be as easy and far more natural than any 20th/21st century programming efforts.

      Right now, I’m just trying to keep up with all the alternate memories, and — in a sea of daily comments — not doing as well as I’d like. However, this is generally fun and certainly fascinating.

      I’m keeping the explanations on the side, at the moment, to look at in more depth once we have more data to work with. (Yes, we have a considerable amount already, but I’m still looking for patterns that might emerge. Currently, the tinnitus point is a surprise, but it may be mere coincidence and correlate more to the kinds of people who engage in conversations here, than anything related to alternate realities.)

      Thanks for your thoughts about this topic.

      1. I truly believe its a natural thing, there have been many cases of people appearing and vanishing without trace, while some could be down to natural causes. there are a few celebrated cases of people appearing from nowhere.. even people disappearing to nowhere.. As i said there has always been cases of slides, you just have to look at the myths and legends, the fae, the sidhe.. where they would take people, fairy rings, so for me this shows its been going on for a long time.. however i do feel that some of the experiments are increasing the rate of changes.. I personally dont think its being programmed as it would mean people from all over the world . and been doing it for centuries. since my mum in her 80’s remembers mirror mirror, and not magic mirror. For me i want to Know HOW its happening.. and maybe i can find a way to travel myself consciously slide to another world. I think the tinnitus is a signpost, because i think that the worlds collide and crash, sometimes they just slide together transferring people and even creatures (cryptids). that some of the more sensitive, those who experienced several slides can hear something of it.

        I remember growing 12 inches in height in a year when i was 13/14 that was around 85/86 i had a grand mal seizure at the time because my system couldnt cope.. and am sure something happened about that time. a complete physical change in a short time

    2. have a real problem with Occams razor, Some quotes “Simplicity is subjective and the universe does not always have the same ideas about simplicity as we do”. To give your point you would need a major world wide organisation, able to reprogram the minds of people with hypnosis or subliminal messages. But Occam’s razor does not say that the more simple a hypothesis, the better. If it did, Occam’s would be dull razor for a dim populace indeed., One common error in applying Ockham’s razor is to use it as the absolute arbiter of good and bad, right and wrong. Ockham wrote “All other things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one.” He didn’t say “the simplest is always right” or “the more complicated automatically is wrong.” His “tends to be” implies that sometimes the simplest isn’t the best solution.

      1. Uncertainty and non-resistance of ether cannot be deduced from Occams razor alone. It can separate two theories that make the same predictions but empirical evedance is also required, and Occam himself argued for empiricism not against it.

        What is oceans razor? University of California riverside.

  95. I grew up with a story about an undead cursed cowboy named Stanton Cree. He was cursed to find someone to out drink him so he could finally die. This was a story that was written in books. It was there right along side other classics Like Dracula. Not one person seems to know this story. Only place that knows anything is a band called Ghoultown, they sing the story.

  96. I have gone through several of these threads in the last couple of days, having been introduced to the Mandela effect while looking up interesting topics for Halloween. I searched my memory for something I was sure happened a certain way.

    Some skeptics of the Berenstain Bears are saying it was just word of mouth and our brains autocorrect of a word that looked like it should have said “stein.” I wasn’t a fan of the books. I remember the cartoon, which like many cartoons at the time, had an introductory song to introduce the characters of the show. I remember the characters introducing themselves, phonetically, as Beren “Steen” Bears. I don’t recall anyone trying to correct this pronunciation, which I’m sure at least one stickler would have done at the time if it was supposed to be “stain.”
    I saw the song on youtube yesterday, and they clearly say “stain” now.

    I found another small change in my memory. Robert Palmer, musician. I recall seeing an entertainment news report in the early 2000’s reporting his death. I was sad. I really liked this guy, famous for singing “Addicted to Love” and I loved that music video. With the ME stuff I double checked the news about his demise. The date seems to be right but I clearly remember this guy dying from stomach cancer, while google says it was a heart attack. Anybody else remember Robert Palmer’s passing this way?

    1. Sara, I’m still a fan of the late Robert Palmer’s music and personal style. In my memories, it was a heart attack, and a swift one. I can’t imagine how sad it must have been for you, to have been in a reality where he died from stomach cancer.

      I generally ignore the skeptics about all things related to the Mandela Effect. If they don’t have the alternate memories we do, I understand that their explanations make sense to them.

      I had alternate memories, and — until I found out that others shared those memories, and with many identical, matching details — I thought I’d just mis-remembered, too. After all, “just confused” is a nice, tidy explanation.

      It was both a relief and a “rabbit hole” to discover what I termed the “Mandela Effect,” since — for me — this study began with my memory of Nelson Mandela’s death while he was in prison.

      Personally, I don’t feel as if I have anything to prove to anyone about this subject.

      If others don’t remember what I do, that’s fine; even in the same reality, no two people will remember any single event exactly the same way in all respects. Our emotions and contexts color our memories. I know that.

      The people who completely baffle me are those who want to prove that their memories are the only “real” ones, in any reality. I’m not sure why they’re so defensive, and some — at least from comments I read but don’t approve — are practically obsessed with this topic.

      To paraphrase the Bard: methinks they doth protest too much. (Ref. Shakespeare’s Hamlet.)

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