Though Neil Armstrong died on 25 August 2012, it seems as if many people “forgot” it. When a badly phrased headline appeared at ABC news, talking about the one-year anniversary of Armstrong’s death, many people thought he’d died in 2013.
While some may have been busy a year ago, and missed the initial obituary, many others are clearly fans and followers of Neil Armstrong’s legacy. How were their memories “wiped” so his 2013 death was forgotten? That question was raised by many people, including David Emery at About.com’s Urban Legends topic.
Others point out that Shakespeare’s plays — as we know them — weren’t formally compiled until after his death. Those versions of the plays include heavy input from the actors who played in them, and they may have “improved” the plays.
While this isn’t exactly what we’re talking about at this website, this video is useful. It conveys a (possibly) relevant way of looking at time in a non-linear way.
Referencing different timestreams, it’s possible that — in those other realities — events in your (alternate) life are in a different sequence.
Or, as an alternate explanation of the Mandela Effect: Maybe you’re “remembering” things from the future… a future you’ve seen (in real life or dreams) due to something like Al’s time travel explanation.
In a discussion at the G+ community, Alternate History, some interesting issues have been raised.
A community member shared a lengthy, cached article about someone’s belief that Nelson Mandela died Tuesday, 25 June 2013.
This is part of that cached article:
Here’s some of my reply at the G+ community, with notes.
The obvious question is: Was that more evidence of the Mandela Effect? The first “mistaken” report could be a simple mistake. In fact, it most probably was. But, to be fair, it’s difficult to evaluate with so little information about that report.
What caught my attention was the second “mistaken” report in the article. The writer said about that source, “She is trusted and was very convinced about the accuracy of this and her source, and she was very specific in what she was told – that he had died a half hour earlier and that the President was going to make the announcement at ten pm.”
Those are the kinds of specific details we see in credible Mandela Effect events, but with social media and its inherent flaws, it’s not evidence I can work with. For example, the Huffington Post offered the following credible explanation.
So, the waters have been thoroughly muddied, at least in terms of reports related to Mandela’s death in June 2013.
Despite (or because of?) these gaffes, more people seem to be examining conflicting Mandela-related memories. Even for those of us who are okay with Mandela Effect concepts, this seems like an unsettling time.
For some of us, these past couple of weeks have seemed surreal at times. Personally, it’s as if I’m watching a reality being constructed, a few hours at a time.
It’s as if the “fixed” points — using another G+ community member’s description — are arriving first in this timestream. Then, the connect-the-dots events between them are being filled in spontaneously. (This is difficult to articulate, but I hope you get my point.)
The thing is, if we believe the quantum theory that every potentiality exists in some reality (or dimension, universe, timestream, etc.), it’s possible that Nelson Mandela has died many times in the past few days and weeks… but not in this timestream.
The majority of new, conflicting reports can be explained by rumors set wild in social media. It’s essential to keep critical thinking skills engaged. Verify everything as best you can.
However, despite reporting errors, this is an intriguing time for those of us studying the Mandela Effect. That’s not just about history in this timestream, as well as alternative history. It’s also an opportunity to see the effects of social media and news reports, and how they influence our memories and — at times — form or restructure them.
And, personally, I’m sketching the visual images I recall from Nelson Mandela’s death, years ago. I’m going to watch to see how many of them reappear in the future… though I hope it’s many years away.
Many people — including me — remember Billy Graham’s funeral on TV, prior to his February 2018 death.
My own memories placed Graham’s death close — within weeks, possible a month or two, at the very most — to the time when Ted Kennedy died. I remember that the weather was warm in New England.
At the time, I didn’t think Billy Graham’s funeral was especially odd. I didn’t watch much of the funeral and burial coverage, but I can remember flipping through TV channels, and seeing most networks carrying the event. I remember thinking, at Ted Kennedy’s funeral, “Wow. We just had lots of shows pre-empted by Billy Graham’s funeral. I guess that kind of coverage has become standard.”
I clearly remember the funeral, and related TV coverage for several days.
Apparently, this “memory” is prevalent… perhaps more prevalent than the Nelson Mandela ones. I’ve actually argued with a friend because she was 100% certain that Billy Graham had died. She, too, remembered the funeral on TV. It took Wikipedia to prove that we both had odd, completely identical memories… that never happened. Not in this timestream, anyway.
Many readers have their own memories of Billy Graham’s death, funeral, and burial. Mostly, they recall the TV coverage.
And — like me — most are entirely certain they aren’t mixing it up with Billy Graham’s wife’s funeral, which had some coverage on TV news shows. (Ruth Graham died in 2007. Ted Kennedy passed in 2009. That’s not close enough for me to connect in my memories.)
Tamara Thorne said:
I don’t have any recollections about Mandela, but do have pretty clear memories of Billy Graham’s death.
Marna Ehrich said:
wait, wait, wait… Billy Graham is alive??? since when? I remember his death, but not his coming back …
Margaret’s comments included:
… I also remember Nelson Mandela’s funeral and the deaths of Billy Graham, Dom Deluise, Ernest Borgnine and Mickey Rooney. It’s all very interesting.
Billy Graham for a surety. I test it on my mother and asked her, “You remember Billy Graham dying right ?” To which she replied “Yeah he died from Alzheimer’s.” When I informed her that he was still in fact alive she said, “Oh well then he was in hospital from it”.
Jeff said (in March 2012):
So Billy Graham didn’t die? I distinctly remember hearing about his death! I really can’t be sure about Mandella though I did think he was dead, I remember hearing about Ernest Borgnine dying, but he is still alive apparently!
[In a later comment] Thinking about it some more, I distinctly remember seeing Billy Graham’s funeral procession on TV!
Billy Graham is dead,yes? if not, please provide a link, i remember him passing about a year or two ago, as does my wife.
My mom and I both also “remember” Mandela dying in prison as well as Billy Graham dying soon after retiring.
i do believe i heard about billy graham’s death.
Interesting on so many levels. I am in the same boat in regards to Mandela, Billy Graham, Australia!, 52 States (I am European),etc, etc.
I just last month had a discussion with a friend. I swore Billy Graham died and I watched his funeral on TV and so many people in tears and the sadness of such a great man being laid to rest and being honored by the Presidents and I even remember Bill Clinton speaking words in his honor…my friend said I was crazy. I asked my mother and she remembers us talking about his passing. I just don’t know what to think…
I also thought Billy Graham was gone, for sure, seeming to recall something with his son speaking, etc.
Running across this string via FaceBook seems so odd to me, but here I am… I remember Billy Graham dying & I was also jolted by the comment about Honduras. I have always thought it was an island also.
Kate’s comments included:
i also remember clearly the David Soule death—(i am shocked, up until I read this just now I still thought he was dead!) AND the Billy Graham death (Shocked)
Weird, I remember Billy Graham dying too….
When I first read this article, I thought you meant that some people remember Billy Graham as being still alive. After I understood, I was shocked and had to double and triple check before fully believing it. I can clearly remember the death of Billy Graham and watching an interview of his widow talking about events from his life, his evangelism, how the two met, ect, with my grandma and talking about what a shame it was that such a good man died. I asked her if she remembered any of it, and was shocked when she told me that the only thing she could remember was his wife dying a few years ago. I thought she must be mistaken until I googled it. In my timeline I can remember channel surfing and her being on television with her son no longer than a year ago. The only reason I remember is because the Grahams live close to where I was born/grew up and at the time I thought it was cool that a local family was on television.
That’s pretty wild about the TV station making a mistake like that. I mean, it’s not as if the staff would run with a major story without double-checking it, right…? And, they’re referencing CBS News, which is the central office all the CBS affiliates get their information from. So, that makes this doubly strange. It sounds like someone in the news chain had a Mandela moment, and maybe more of them did.
My friend, who I often talked about this kind of thing with years ago, pointed out to me tonight that Nelson Mandela and Billy Graham were born in the same year. Just some interesting serendipity. or is it? lol
I remember a lot of these, Nelson Mandela and Billy Graham both dying in the 90′s.
This means that there may be multiple timestreams represented here. My Billy Graham “memory” was definitely related to Ted Kennedy’s death in 2009, and others have referenced other years for Billy Graham’s death. So, if we’re “sliding” in and out of alternate timelines, we’re not all visiting the same one.
Chris provided some great details:
I am (or rather was until now!) certain that Billy Graham had died. I was only talking about him the other day in passing to my partner and we both agreed that he was a bit of a looney! I remember seeing parts of the funeral on TV and in the papers (UK Times if I remember rightly!!). It was a big deal to the Evangelicals in the States and I definitely remember there were a lot of people mourning him – it felt more like the funeral of a monarch/state funeral. There was a white sheet over his coffin with a gold eagle on it (or certainly some gold symbol) as it was carried by the bearers.
kat smith said:
Billy Grahams death puzzles me, I remember it occuring a few months before Ronald Reagans death.My mother and I sat at our little 13″ monitor in the kitchen….with flashes on the bottom screen about Billy Grahams death, in attendence was George senior to the left of Jr..Bill Clinton to the right in Blue covered chairs….the casket draped in a white cloth was paraded infront off the former presidents….as it was carried up the isle….I remember his son, widdow, and Bill Clinton speaking….it was held outdoors in NC……that day was very vivid, my mother remembers it as well..
This is a very intriguing topic. I’m among the people who don’t remember Mandela dying in prison, however I’ve encountered several people over the years who did remember his death and were just as surprised as you were. I do, however, remember the death and funeral of Billy Graham, not to mention countless other celebrities who turned out later to be very much alive. Those other celebrities could very well have been misreported deaths, as sometimes happens, but the thing with Graham is, like others commenting, I remember the funeral on TV. Maybe it was a funeral for someone else that I’m remembering, but I was just as shocked as anyone to learn he was still alive.
Those are the Billy Graham comments at this website, so far.
The official history in this timestream says that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., died from a rifle wound.
However, even the official story has some conflicts. First, start with the story in this timestream.
MARTIN LUTHER KING’S DEATH IN THIS TIME LINE
Martin Luther King was shot and killed by a sniper on April 4, 1968, while standing on the second-floor balcony of the Lorraine Motel in Memphis, Tennessee. The gun was a Remington Gamemaster 760 .30-06-caliber rifle, purchased by James Earl Ray on on March 30, 1968, as Ray drove to Memphis.
Initially, Ray pleaded guilty to avoid the death sentence. At that time, it was death by electrocution.
Three days later, Ray tried to change his plea. Ray said that he did not “personally shoot Dr. King.” Ray admitted that he might have been, “partially responsible without knowing it.” He claimed he’d been approached in Montreal, Canada, to join a conspiracy to kill Dr. King, but Ray said he was not the killer. He’d only wanted to become famous.
Ray spent the rest of his life trying to withdraw his guilty plea, and prove his innocence. James Early Ray died in 1998 of complications from Hepatitis C, at age 70.
In 1997, Loyd Jowers, a Memphis restaurant owner, was sued as part of a conspiracy to assassinate Martin Luther King, Jr. Jowers was found legally liable for the assassination. Wikipedia reports that “The King family has since concluded that Ray did not have anything to do with the murder of Martin Luther King, Jr.”
So, the official story of the death of Martin Luther King, Jr. is already a little uncertain. That kind of “wobble” in history interests me, because it opens the door to questions about its stability in the timestream. Pivot points in history sometimes indicate an overlap with alternate history.
SOME ALTERNATE MEMORIES OF DR. KING’S ASSASSINATION
In another comment at this website, The Mandela Effect, Matt reports the following very clear and detailed memory:
“Per every source I can find, King was shot with a rifle by a white man named James Earl Ray. However, what I remember reading as a child and learning in school is that King was shot and killed with a handgun at close range by a black woman. The location remained the same, however. I don’t remember her name or other key details, except that I think she was mentally ill and almost certain she was killed not long after, either by police in some kind of altercation, or by her own hand.
“Again, this is a memory of what I ‘learned’ in school, rather than a memory of events current to me, since I wasn’t born until the late 1970s, long after his death. Maybe I’m somehow confusing King with another slain civil rights leader I learned about, or my memory is simply bad, but I just can’t shake that eerie feeling that both the historical account and my own memories are somehow ‘right’.”
Though I don’t have that memory, it resonated as something true. I felt confident that, when that comment appeared, others would recall it, too.
Right away, Gurluas — a frequent contributor to threads — was able to add to this:
“I also remember Martin Luther King being shot with a handgun, I remember reading that in school.”
If you share that memory, or have an alternate memory that might resonate with readers, I hope you’ll share them.
The previous post, Nelson Mandela Died in Prison? triggered so many, varied responses, it’s difficult to find the Mandela memories in the 150+ comments that followed.
Here are some of them, as of February 2013. (If you leave a comment at this post, do me a favor: Keep it about Nelson Mandela memories. I’m in the process of separating the various memories into individual posts, for people interested in stories related to just one kind of memory.)
Perry Ware said:
Both my wife and I remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison. Included in this memory are the funeral snippets on TV and a legal flap over book rights involving his Widow.
Clear distinct memory of the Nelson Mandela funeral on tv in the early 80′s.
C. A. Low said:
I have experienced this many times. Not only Mandela’s death, but also the death of Muammar Gaddafi several years ago…
I remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison. The problem is that I either just knew he did (like it was common knowledge), or it happened at a different time for me. I was born in 1985, so I couldn’t have a memory from the early 80s. I think it must have been that it was at a different time, because I remember events after he died… like a really big Oprah episode, concerts in his memory, celebrities ALL wearing his prison numbers, etc.
My experience was that on a regular day, my mom and I were doing separate things with the TV on in the background. I think I was on my laptop and my mom may have also been on hers or reading a book. I believe CNN was the channel the TV was on. Nelson Mandela was mentioned as doing something, which caught both of our ears, I guess, because we both looked up and Nelson Mandela was there… walking around, present day. My mom and I both looked at each other, wide eyed and pale. I was like, “Isn’t he dead? I remember him dying….” And she said YES, and we were both discussing how on earth he was alive and no one else was shocked. We BOTH remembered the Oprah show, we BOTH remembered a specific concert that was live and shown on multiple channels… we both remembered that he died years ago in prison.
I’m amazed that so many other people have this memory. We couldn’t have all slipped into another dimension and remember it. There must be something more logical at work… like he did die, and the forces at work just expected us to not say anything? I have no idea what the explanation is, but I know he died. You could give me a polygraph and I would pass.
I also remember Nelson Mandela’s funeral and the deaths of Billy Graham, Dom Deluis, Ernest Borgenine and Mickey Roomie. It’s all very interesting.
I also remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison and was quite amazed when he was elected president of South Africa. Last night I watched the movie, Invictus, and kept wondering where or when was I? I clearly remember the announcement of his death and was amazed that more people around me were not moved by the sadness of it. I also remember vaguely some controversy about his “estate”.
lorrie @ clueless… said:
Nelson Mandela-I remember somebody talking about how his spirit was soaring free from his jail cell. Bill Cosby named his TV grandchildren “Winnie” and “Nelson” and I thought, oh how sweet, he’s paying homage to a brave deceased hero.
Jasper Allen said:
I remember Mandelas funeral being on the news in the UK in the late 80′s. At the time I was just a kid and I didn’t have a clue who Mandela was.
I too remember Mandela dying in Prison, right before he was to be released. I thought this won’t be good, the South Africans will think he was kill or something. It was on CNN Headline news around lunchtime. I was in Highschool so it was in the 80′s.
This is just WEIRD ! The more I think about it, the more REAL the memory becomes. I live in South Africa, was born in 1980 so I would have been a kid. The memory is most certainly there (SOMETHING about his Mandela’s death).
…It’s weird, like the men in black movie. I don’t believe in parallel universes, but mind altering ? Sure.
kim wing said:
I also remember reading the newspaper and all the whoopola about Nelson Mandela dying on tv. I remember the banners at his funeral. I am an adult and take such history seriously. When he was released from prison I was flabbergasted. Art bell also bought this up on one of his shows and if he hadn’t I still would have been thinking I was goofy. this happened folks.
I remember Nelson Mandella dying while in prison, and I also remember that his wife became president there sometime afterwards. Later on I heard a radio show with someone talking about this subject, that others too remember his death.
Inquiring Mind said:
I remember it too.
I was only a kid — I was born in 1983 — but I remember seeing something about his death on TV once when I was waiting for Saturday morning cartoons to come on. It was like a biography/memorial/documentary thing. I had no idea who he was, but for some reason it made an impression on me. What I specifically remember is that A) he was in prison at some point, and B) that he passed away.
Years later, as a teenager, I remember having a few moments of “Wait, what? I thought he died!” …But it wasn’t until recently that I discovered I’m not alone in my recollection!
I saw this subjected posted on another site with a link to this site. My mom and I both also “remember” Mandela dying in prison…
I was very young at the time but am 100% certain that Mandela passed while in prison. I recall all the press dedicated to his life and memory so vividly that when news that he was being released came over the air waves I was stunned and immediately went searching for answers only to find out I wasnt alone. I agree that there must be time line ripple effects that some of us are not aware occur. I’ve had gaps of missing time and dreams so real I can still recall how things felt when I touched them! Glad i’m not alone!
Interesting on so many levels. I am in the same boat in regards to Mandela…
This site is freaking me out. My friend Mikey and I used to talk about the Mandela memory all the time because we remembered him dying in prison. We used to talk about jumping time lines and we really believed it because things got ‘different’ for us both, but we NEVER talked about it with anyone else because of how insane it sounds! I have since then looked for anything about it, and I found this website- I just can’t believe this.
I remember Mandela having died in prison. But I was very young then and I don’t remember the exact event, but an anniversary of his death. It was all over the tv, they showed footage of him alive and some funeral footage too. Now I wasn’t very old, but they were definitely talking about his death.
My friend, who I often talked about this kind of thing with years ago, pointed out to me tonight that Nelson Mandela and Billy Graham were born in the same year.
I also thought Mandela died in prison, and a couple of my friends share this memory.
J. Ezra Powell said:
I recall the asasination of N. Mandela around 1983-1985. I was a child at the time and attended a majority black school. I recall the next morning we all wore black ribbons and had an assembly. I recall the tv news showing crowds of people as there was a parade in Mandelas honor and while riding in the back of the car he was shot and killed. He had Kat been released from prison and apartide was ending. Now he lives and my memories are wrong it would seem or are they. Did I experience another reality?
I remember a lot of these, Nelson Mandela and Billy Graham both dying in the 90′s.
I, too, remember news report stating that Nelson Mandela died — and that was in the 1980s! I distinctly remember the television channel 5 news broadcast in Boston where the TV news broadcaster, Natalie Jacobson, stated that he died. It was the main story during the 6:00 p.m. news that day. Then I was stunned, startled and confused years later when I heard another news report stating that Nelson Mandela “just died.” I actually had a sickening feeling when I heard the news report the second time because it was so unsettling to me. Because how can you remember something that is completely inconsistent with the facts that are presented at a later time? I was relieved when I heard that other people also remember a news report from many years earlier stating that he had died (in prison). Then I knew I wasn’t losing my mind. But this phenomenon just fascinates me. I wish someone could explain how this “dual timeline” really works. My conclusion is that there must be parallel universes.
stephen stockton said:
A friend and I have discussed many times the Mandela death. We both remember the same thing in detail. I think this an insight into a very important event. It could be a mis-quote from the media which has been suggested before but no one has owned up to it. No retractions -nothing. It could be a “natural” event in the fabric of space-time, a hickup so to speak. Or as we have conjectured, a “correction” by yes, I dare say it, a time traveler. It’s the internet-get over it. I have heard that a number of countries have been experimenting with time travel and it is possible a correction was made to re-direct the situation-probably unknown to us 99%.
Yes, yes, yes! Mandela died in prison…
Alex posted this very interesting update about Nelson Mandela:
I live in South Africa and ‘Nelson Mandela’ was admitted to hospital last week Saterday.
Here’s the REALLY interesting part:
3 weeks ago a Dakota DC3 flew to Qunu where he lives with his medical team aboard. The female pilot failed her flying license, and her instructor gave the Air Force the strict orders to never test her again as she as zero ability to fly. Anyway, 3 weeks ago she flew the medical team to Qunu and totaled the DC3 on landing. Luckily everyone survived.
2 weeks ago another Dakota DC3 flys to Qunu and this time it crashes in the Drakensberg mountains killing all on board.
These weekly flights were said to be for Mandela’s health check-up’s. But when the second DC3 crashed killing everyone the media immediately denied that any medical personnel were on board!?
Last week Saturday Mandela was admitted to hospital for ‘routine tests’ at One Military in Pretoria. Tuesday the media said he had lung infection from TB that he contracted during his 27 year prison stay. Wednesday we were told he was at the Heart Clinic in Pretoria and that he was never at One Military. On Friday he was supposed to be discharged and today we were told that he had gall stones removed.
Do you remember Nelson Mandela’s death in the 1980s or 1990s, or at some other time prior to 2013? If so, please leave your comments, below.
Taking the Mandela Effect to the next step, what if we’re not talking about realities, but about experiences in various holodecks? And, what if reality is a holodeck?
This video is in English, despite the initial French banter. If you take quantum science seriously and you’re interested in the idea of this being a holodeck, the juicy discussion starts at about 6:15 in this video.
If you have access to past Star Trek: The Next Generation episodes, the two involving Moriarty are Elementary, Dear Data (Season 2, Episode 3) and Ship in a Bottle (Season 6, Episode 12).
Be forewarned: These quantum/reality concepts may offend some people, especially those working with literal Creationist beliefs.
And, when you get to the negative energy concept, around the 15:00 point where he’s talking about Dr. Richard Feynman’s theory and retrocausality, it may twist your thinking into a pretzel.
The book he’s discussing is available at Amazon, in hardcover and in Kindle.
If you’re interested in the many ways to explain the Mandela Effect, Dr. Fred Alan Wolf is someone to listen to, as you’re looking for answers that make sense to you.
He explores many ways to use science to explain odd phenomena. In many cases, his theories apply to Mandela Effect memories.
Whether you agree with him or not, he offers some interesting observations that may be part of this puzzle.
In this excerpt from a 2010 interview, he talks about reality and dreaming. Though his most relevant dream theories start at about the 6:36 point, to understand the concepts best, watch this entire YouTube video.
And, to delve more deeply into the quantum theories related to this, see his early, simple thesis, Dreaming Universe Paper.
In addition, the following book by Dr. Wolf is fairly old (1994), but I think it’s important to explore the history of an evolving theory, to more fully understand it. So, if you can find this book at your public library or snag a copy for a couple of dollars, it could be worthwhile… if you’re exploring the dream/reality connection from a quantum angle.