Alice, Mirrors, and the Mandela Effect

alice through the looking glass - and the Mandela Effect

How long have people been traveling across realities? Are Mandela Effect concepts strewn throughout folklore, legends, and literature?

I believe so, and some are related to mirrors.

Mirrors as Portals in Folklore and Fiction

In Alice in Wonderland, and Through the Looking-Glass, the title character accesses an alternate reality by moving through a mirror (looking-glass) as the entry point. (Previously, she’d journeyed through a rabbit hole.)

However, author Lewis Carroll wasn’t the first (or last) to speculate about mirrors and reflective surfaces.

In folklore, water – smooth, reflective lakes and ponds, as well as the sea – has often hidden amazing realms not known in this reality. From Greek and Roman legends to Arthurian tales (the Lady of the Lake, and more), we’re reminded of alternate worlds as close as a reflection.

On the other side of the world, in the Asian art of feng shui and interior design, mirrors may “extend space” far beyond their physical depth in this reality.

In some traditions, people cover mirrors after a death in the home, so the departing spirit won’t be trapped inside the mirror.

Many haunted locations – including The Myrtles Plantation (Louisiana, USA) and the Driskill Hotel (Texas, USA) – have ghostly mirrors, as well.

  • The one in the main hallway at The Myrtles is like many of its counterparts, with recurring handprints (from the back) that returns no matter how often they clean, resurface, or even replace it. Also, a picture of me standing near that mirror – photographed by researcher Margaret Byl – showed a reflection with a chandelier that wasn’t there at the time.
  • The Driskill Hotel’s famous “Maximilian” mirrors are backed with diamond dust, not just silver or silver-colored paint. The mirrors face each other, in pairs, and many people have reported seeing alternate, similar worlds in them. (If you’re looking for ghost stories related to those mirrors, that’s the tip of the iceberg, but a discussion would take us off-topic.)

If you can stand the commercials and the silly sound effects in a video clip, “Ghost Adventures” star Zak Bagans talks about mirrors and matrixing. [Link.] It’s a good, short clip, with a skeptical slant. However, I’m not sure Zak was aware that the mirror he’s pointing at – the famous one at The Myrtles – was installed in 1980. It looks old, but it’s not from an era – usually 19th century or earlier – so common to mirrors with ghost stories.

And then there are scrying mirrors – used to see into (or contact) “the other side” or foretell the future – that have black glass, not silver. According to legend, even Nostradamus used one. So, the portal concept isn’t limited to mirrors with easy-to-see reflections.

If you like creepy mirror stories involving alternate realities, the horror movie, Mirrors, is one among many that exploit this concept.

Beyond Mirrors

Alice and the Looking-glass at Guildford Castle grounds
Photo courtesy of Jacqueline Banerjee and the Victorian Web.

My point isn’t about mirrors and whether some are portals to alternate realities. (I’m not convinced that they are, but I won’t wholly reject the concept, either.)

Instead, I’m talking about the long-held idea that an alternate reality is almost always nearby, and might be “hiding in plain sight.”

In other words, I don’t think the Mandela Effect is new. It didn’t pop up yesterday, or 10 years ago, and I certainly didn’t invent it. (Shadow and I just gave it a name with a reference to recent history.)

In fact, if you study folklore, you’ll see that many tales describe travel between realities. Some are clearer than others.

Changelings are part of a particularly dark concept from the past, in which faeries have swapped places with humans. The faerie looks (mostly) like the human he or she replaced, and the human has been sent to the world the faerie is from, as a replacement in that world or reality.

In some ancient traditions, shamans are able to access alternate realms, worlds, or realities at will. However, most contemporary tales talk about each shaman being granted passage to just one spiritual realm, not free travel across all of them.

The Rev. Mr. Robert Kirk (1644 – ?), author of “The Secret Commonwealth,” wrote about visiting an alternate reality. He described it as a faerie world, and the topic has fascinated folklorists and others, for centuries. I’ve put a question mark at his death date because many believe he left his tired body on a hillside, and actually slid back into the reality he’d been talking about for many years.

What interests me about Kirk’s story isn’t just the world he described. It’s that something in his story resonates so deeply with people, that – despite at least hundreds of similar tales – modern-day scholars still argue whether Kirk’s work was fiction or nonfiction. (And then there are the astonishing number of people who insist that the world of Avatar is real, but that’s another topic for another day.)

Then there are tales of doppelgangers, with two of the same person showing up in the same reality. According to some folklore, seeing a doppelganger predicts that one of them (usually the one whose home seems to be in that reality) will die. Is that because two of the “same” person in one reality is a glitch, and the simplest solution is to delete one? I’m not sure, but it’s worth considering.

In more recent pop culture, everything from Star Trek episodes to the entire Sliders TV series and Sliding Doors (movie), one Eureka season, and shows like Awake are among projects that use the concept of alternate realities.

Are these fictional accounts popular because, at times, we’d like to escape our current reality? Or, does the concept of alternate realms – whether actual worlds or holodeck creations – resonate with us because we know alternate realities exist… and we’ve been there?

I believe the Mandela Effect isn’t new. I think it’s been an issue for centuries, perhaps as far back as the start of recorded history, or even earlier.

However, I think past generations and cultures explained alternate realities in terms of magic, shamanic travel, or even faeries.

The idea of a mirror as a portal is just one example, but it’s one that seems to linger. Maybe there is something unusual about mirrors, and maybe some do show us another world.

Then again… maybe it’s all folklore.

85 thoughts on “Alice, Mirrors, and the Mandela Effect”

  1. You forgot Faerie Rings, the myths in the uk if you slept within one you could sleep for centuries. I also wonder about stone circles, while some could be astronomical if not all, but the prevelence of them and the “door” way shape of some the large ones , makes me wonder if that the world of that time was more flexible in crossing worlds, a lot of the myths are from around that time.

    I know i dislike looking into mirrors, it feels as if it is another world.. its not me in the mirror.. its another version of me, (like in the evil dead movies but maybe not a evil version”. There is also a Palladium role play set of books, called Nightbane/Nightspawn, you can cross over through a mirror, plus you have an alternate form (sort of like a werewolf but more weirder). The idea of alternate worlds is even in modern media, futurama did one episode, the simpsons when homer gets into the 3d world ours. When you talk about books there are Many Many thousands, why would so many peoplem cultures, all have similar myths/stories even new ones like John DeChancie and the castle perilous series, and Donaldsons Mirror books (and by extension the thomas covenent)., Piers Anthony world xanth and the adept series, Mode (and i was sure Piers Anthony had died a few years ago so thats a curiosity linked with someone who wrote a LOT of books about alternate worlds)

    1. Martin, thank you, and that’s not the only one I forgot (and just remembered, now): The “faerie stones” and “holey stones” with a hole worn through, in the middle, usually from something natural like a steady drip of water. According to lore, you can look through one and see another world, usually the faerie world.

  2. Even the terms we’re through the looking glass here people, down the rabbit hole, both from the book about alternate realities.. or deeper darker things than we can imagine. Its super fascinating to me that just those two phrases have become essentially world wide, not only due to tv media films etc but also other books, Something i feel must have triggered the mass memeing of those phrases a subconscious acknowledgment of other alternate worlds. .. why those and not others.. you could even suppose the wizard of oz is another world, as i have said i truly believe that some authors can see hints and other dimensions, that some of the worlds they create are too real. So instead of stone circles we have authors and books. you could say they are the Lore masters, the shamans. They were in charge of memory and recalling the lore..

    1. Even the story of alice has an interesting set of lines “Who are YOU?” said the Caterpillar.
      This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, “I–I hardly know, sir, just at present– at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.” (Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland, Chapter 5)” Wouldnt that fit in with merging with other alternate selves Havent we all changed several times what with dual memories or triple ones.. and even ‘I could tell you my adventures–beginning from this morning,’ said Alice a little timidly: ‘but it’s no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then.’ (Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland, Chapter 10) It does seem that Lewis Carroll was talking about mandela effects and rather than be ridiculed he made a “fiction” out of it. Not to mention Carroll was a mathematician, Euclid and geometry. If anyone could be called a shaman/lore master it would be him

    2. Good observation, Martin, and this is exactly the kind of thing I’m looking for: anomalies that we may be taking for granted. You’re absolutely right about the rabbit hole reference and the looking glass, versus the yellow brick road.

      While I’ve heard people joke “We’re not in Kansas anymore, Toto,” it’s not as ingrained in our speech as “down the rabbit hole.” Yes, the rabbit hole reference is shorter and easier to say. Also, Alice in Wonderland was published in 1865; Wizard of Oz in 1900. So, the “rabbit hole” reference was more widespread from an earlier date. Those are reasonable arguments.

      Still, “We’re not in Kansas…” is a quip. It’s funny. People usually laugh.

      “Down the rabbit hole” is usually used in a very different way, and in a different context. It’s far more part of our lexicon. (For example, it’s a regular phrase in — and subtitle of — “What the Bleep…?“, a movie I highly recommend to anyone interested in the Mandela Effect, as — no matter what you think of some of the speakers — the physics references are useful.)

      This might be a case of popularity and nothing more, but I think those references bear further scrutiny, to see if they resonate for other reasons, or carry markers we’ve ignored because they seem so commonplace.

      (Aside about the Wizard of Oz: I’ve always thought it odd that everyone knows about the Wizard of Oz, but hardly anyone knows about the Magical Monarch of Mo. Yes, the Oz book was made into a movie, etc., but I read the Mo book as a child — Baum named his lands after the labels on his filing cabinet — and liked it better than the Oz book. Why did it so quickly fall into obscurity?)

      1. Because the Magical Monarch of Mo is not a recognized Oz book?

        The article on the Mo book says that it’s less cohesive and more episodic. Might be part of it.

        I’d heard the filing cabinet story about the origin of Oz, but I’d heard it had 2 drawers–A-N, and O-Z.

        Also, plain and simple, most people know Wizard of Oz from the movie, and they don’t even know that there’s a whole series of books. When I tell people I’ve read the first five the most common reaction is “There’s more than one??”

      2. Maybe looking at the difference between “Not in Kansas…” and “down the rabbit hole” in terms of their metaphoric meaning and deconstructing the “memes” into their symbolic links in the chain of signifiers and signifieds that are the building blocks of the memes would be constructive lenses to try on? At least they may provide a new perspective from which to see other clues or useful tools…

        Both Oz and Wonderland (henceforth abbreviated to WL) are are arrived at by similar modes with significantly obverse departures from their paralell (really!? its not “parallell”? this is becoming a bit annoying;) structures:
        OZ & WL
        -Conveyance-A cyclone & A rabbit hole=
        a funnel or Tunnel =
        worm hole/black hole/stargate/interdimensional portal/vehicle of transportation, birth canal, the “in between” bridging the “here” & the “there” which is neither and both here & there
        Funnel/Tunnel Conveyance
        -From- Originating point of departure- 3d world of “consensus reality” – Rational, Pragmatic, Rigidly Structured
        -To- Destination -A place not in synch in any way with the “reality” of origin
        A land where The classical construct of the “heroic” or “Epic” journey “Home” is played out through the Archetypical battle between “Good” & “Evil” “Light” & “Dark”
        -One Possible constructive & relevant Interpretation of this Epic Journey and battle of “good” vs “Evil” = The Prime Duality Construct = the twin primogeniture offspring of Unified Source of All/One-ness dividing & projecting itself into the material world for the purpose of gaining self knowledge through Reflection
        -populated with fantastic beings, who could even be said to be “liminal” beings many of whom are endowed with “magical” or “supernatural” abilities from the perspective & context of the origin “reality”

        -Material of construction of tunnel/funnel/wormhole etc..- The Element if Air
        -Direction of propulsion = upwards into Air
        -Possible interpretations of the significance of Air= The psyche, The attic of the Persona, dreamland, levels of self awareness, unconscious/subconscious, the realm of Id, Ego & Superego, Intellect, a place of elevation, a pace where “reality” verges on being or actually is, materially insubstantial, etherial, weightless. light, thin. sparse, frictionless
        -departure- foisted upon a passive “victim” by forces beyond her control- she is “swept away” by a current in which she has no agency to fell a little fear and despair wandering around “lost”desperate to find a way home which she never really left in the first place, didn’t have to stretch herself too much to “get back” to having learned , subliminally, a lesson that will probably ensure she never really strays far from home the rest of her life.
        -connotations are not overwhelmingly pejorative, negative hopeless or insurmountable
        -The Way Out/home- while at first the whole prospect seems a little confusing and a bit frightening, the road is well defined and the steps to overcome obstacles are unveiled in stages of logical progression. Allies and Enemies are clearly defined and recognizable. All supporting characters are unambiguously presented as benefactors providing assistance in material form, companionship, encouragement- morale boosters, or obvious foils to prop up courage in inspire action, protecting from fatal harm and when the situation becomes too much for the journeying heroine and comrades to deal with, rescue in the form of life saving, restoration and solutions
        -Ultimately Oz and Dorothy’s journey home adheres pretty much to the rules and conventions of “home” Although seemingly a place beyond the boundaries of Dorothy’s “reality” its structure does not really push and never violates those boundaries and in fact never really admits or suggests the possibility of things unfolding or concluding in the predictive linear and ultimately safe way that they do.
        -I don’t think that Dorothy is essentially changed by her experience, which is alright in terms of a story- the end result is that everything that she is and believes is reinforced and more firmly implanted within her psyche- minimalising the chances that she will deviate or forget any time soon.

        WL- – material of construction of rabbit hole/portal/conveyance etc..- The Element of Earth
        -Direction of propulsion- Down, into the bowels of the earth
        Possible Interpretations of Rabbit Hole
        -birth canal, portal into womb, ( I think WL admits of more imaginative/creative/spontaneous possibility than OZ), The Cellar/Sub- Basement of the Psyche, The Shadowlands, home to the banished, repressed, socially unredeemable, shameful, denied and rejected aspects of the human individual and collective Persona- Jungian Archetype of The Shadow, rooted. grounded, Material, Heavy, dense, impeding, fecund, fertile, primordial goo, locus of The Dark Night of the Souls, place where are found the our deepest fears, darkest demons most deeply and complexly hidden faults and flaws- all of which must be faced before metamorphosis ca be completed and we can emerge into light , Nature, chaotic
        more negatively connoted- base, unrefined, heavy, dark, dirty, inferior, crude, instinct, animal,
        The place, its structure. logic, population, the way home- all ambiguous, full of contradiction, confusion, no clearly demarcated “good” or “bad” guys, even Alice herself become suspect within the cintext of WL and I might suggest retrospectively to herself before and after her sojourn into the “underworld”
        -although she “accidentally” lands in WL, her own actions are the direct cause of her trip, once there she has to work really hard to make sense of anything and has to be, for a large part self reliant if I remember correctly.
        -Also she interacts with her new environment & its inhabitants at their level, she is engaged & engages in a non utilitarian, non opportunistic mannerShe displays a genuine curiosity. She is not desperately, fretfully, single-mindedly focused on finding her way back “home”.
        – I would also surmise that Alice is essentially changed by her experience and thus is how she views her world. She does not land back where she started comforted by a false sense of security derived from being convinced that as long as she never strays again everything will always be stable and reality will faithfully reflect that as an absolute Truth- quite the opposite I think.

        And at that I am going to end here as I am losing steam and focus… I know this is only the surface and may not all be relevant or progress the overall questions/enquiry of the topic at hand. I do hope at the very least it becomes a catalyst that does inspire creative and progressive thinking.

        1. Leslie A.D.

          First off, bravo on some seriously insightful symbolism analysis.

          It doesn’t say too much though about why Alice does seem to have burrowed much more deeply into the psyche than Oz. Or for that matter Peter Pan, or Willy Wonka, or Mary Poppins, The Lion the Witch and The Wardrobe, the Tesseract or the Phantom Tollbooth One might say The Matrix had a lot to do with it, but the preference seems to go back decades before that – witness the Jefferson Airplane hit “White Rabbit”, for just one example.

          I have a feeling it has a *lot* to do with Dobson’s/Caroll’s strong mathematical and linguistic bent. Both of these things give Alice a fundamentally different character and feel than almost any other children’s lit classic involving visits to imaginary worlds. All the others I mentioned are driven first and foremost by emotional/family/morality themes – Alice stands almost unique in it’s primary emphasis on the playfulness of pure mathematics, language and logic.

          The mirror symbolism itself is, like Alice, fundamentally different from hundreds of equally or even much more common tropes of mythology and fantasy: Witches, elves, talking animals and what not. These are all based on people and emotion, and they don’t have strict rules of behavior – mirrors (and to a lesser extent other types of scry or portal) are pure mathematics and physics incarnate. That’s why they are different. We all sense this even if we never put it into words.

          As an aside, for anyone who might not have seen it yet, check this out: It’s clever that it’s not at all obvious which character is saying the caption, Alice or Dorothy?

          1. I wonder if L. Frank Baum had an impossible hot air balloon memory like many here, lol. Fun to speculate.

        1. FJ-
          good call and You are so correct! Thanks for the reminder, so what have we (aside from the ballon posts which I am most unfamiliar with and will try to peruse soon) with that addition and also Alices 2nd Journey “thru the Looking Glass” (obviously) Now, before the “wicked” series brought us back to Oz, didn’t Dorothey also make a second trip- how did she get there?
          So far we have OZ- with two “air” transports and not quite sure how else to interpret the significance of the balloon
          WL- I am fairly certain mirrors=water portals (thanks Mike H. for reminding me of that when you used “fluid” in relation to mirrors) so Earth & water

          Is there anything else we can add because it struck me last night that OZ and WL are reflections of the same kind of thing the Bears are and represent , even on their own, 2 similiar but disparate trajectories of resulting from the same “major event” point of intersection and possible paths of departure post- that event.

          1. Leslie A.D., I’ve really enjoyed reading your posts about Oz/WL. I think many of your points are right on.

            One more thing I would add re: how our characters traveled to Oz/WL: Dorothy and the wizard were both transported to Oz through the air (Sky, wind, storms), but also they were both were taken there involuntarily. Maybe even against their will (at least at first) even though it was through an act of nature.

            On the other hand, Alice CHOSE to go down the rabbit hole (yes, she was chasing the white rabbit, but she was a willing participant and was not “carried away” by elements beyond her control such as nature). If anything, her curiosity landed her there, but nevertheless, her own feet carried her, so to speak.

            Perhaps not only the mode of transportation, but also whether the person traveling is ‘in control’ and is choosing to go, factors into the differences between the characters and how they interact with the worlds they visit.

  3. Something that has always struck me about ghost stories is that there always seem to be two kinds of hauntings: A “ghost” haunting in which there is an apparition that seems to be able to interact with, or least be aware of the physical plane, and a “time” haunting, in which no known tragedy has struck, but people report seeing events in the past play out over and over, as if in a movie (there is a playhouse in Texas in which this is frequently reported, for example). The latter type of haunting has fascinated me for some time. Even if ghosts exist, there doesn’t seem to be any proof that an apparition and a time loop are actually related – what if the time loop is actually caused by some sort of temporal distortion?

    1. Melissa, that’s a good question, thank you. I hope others will chime in with theories about time loops and temporal distortions, and how they might relate to the Mandela Effect.

      In my ghost research, I’ve used the theory of “residual energy.” That is, the concept that objects (sentient or not, depending on your views of animism) retain memories that hold energy from past events with high emotional content. Some people sense that energy or perhaps it resonates with them. Either way, they describe — sometimes in startling detail, and consistent with others’ reports — events from the past that they had no other reason to know about.

      That’s not quite a time loop, but it can be related if we’re talking about events that have remained in the past and cannot — in any nearby reality — be occurring in our “now.” (I’m not sure it’s possible to make that a firm conclusion.)

      This is where a few concepts start to cross and tangle: As I’ve speculated in some of my books, and at other websites, I’m inclined to believe that many — perhaps the majority of — “ghosts” that interact with us in real time, are actually in a parallel reality. When we talk about the “veil” being thinner, maybe it’s a brane issue… or something similar. (Related science is changing so rapidly, it’s difficult to keep up; I hope you get the idea, even if my explanations are somewhat dated at times.)

      I believe that, at some locations (often with a violent history, which might be the result of energy seeping through at that spot), the “ghosts” are alive and well, and possibly on a different time track than we are. That is, their reality might be tracking behind us — say, in 1865, at this moment in their reality — or ahead of us. And, for some reason, we’re able to communicate with them, or at least they’re making an impression on us that’s sometimes interpreted as “ghosts.” (Or voices, or whatever.)

      I’m not sure if this fits with what you’re suggesting, but it’s been a long-held theory of mine. (I think I first talked about it, in public, in a panel at Dragon Con 2009. At the time, the idea received very mixed responses. It’s taken me this long to be willing to be more assertive about it.)

    2. Would the time loop type haunting you refer to be something like the ghost reenacting their death exactly the same way every night? So you would not be able to interfere with it or communicate with the ghost?

      I think I saw a movie once with a ghost like that: But It’s a bit different from the White Lady folklore.

      1. Anne, if it’s a time loop/residual energy haunting, then — from my experience — the “movie” (always the same replay) won’t react to external stimuli such as communication efforts. However, the intensity can be increased or decreased.

        The movie High Spirits ( provides a scenario in which a residual energy haunting can change, and involve something sentient… but it’s fiction. (Still, to see Liam Neeson in an early, ridiculous role… campy fun.)

        We’re off-topic here, but we can continue this at my Ghosts 101 website, with one note: Some of my theories have changed radically since 1998 (and earlier) when some of those articles were first written.

  4. (My original comment had formatting issues. Let’s try this again.)

    I agree that the idea of alternate reality has been around for a very long time.

    I don’t agree with the conclusion that a long history of alternate reality folklore is proof that the Mandela Effect isn’t a new phenomena.

    Why did it take until the 2010s for mass numbers of people to start realizing that their memories don’t match the current narrative? Out of all of the recorded history that we can access, why is there zero mention of anything resembling Berenst#in Bears-like events? Wouldn’t we at least have some old folklore involving characters with different memories?

    I know all of the logical explanations for this: the internet makes it easier to spread information, religion suppressed discussion of these events, the masses weren’t as educated back then, historical records could have been lost to time/genocide, etc.

    These explanations still don’t account for people like my family and I who have been open to the idea of alternate realities for decades, subscribing to newsletters about metaphysical stuff long before there was an internet, visiting BBS about similar subject matter in the 90s, and somehow despite all of this, not learning about the Mandela Effect until 2015. No, if the Mandela Effect was older than dirt, then I would have heard about it years ago. There’s something unexplainably different, perhaps even more urgent, about the Mandela Effect than the historical alternate reality observations.

    1. Kem, I’m not offering as proof. Frankly, we have no proof of the Mandela Effect. At this point, it’s very much anecdotal, though I’m shifting towards more compelling statistical evidence to support the consistency of what’s being discussed.

      I think that we’ve seen a tipping point in recent years, or — in less gentle terms — a “hundredth monkey” effect.

      Also, in my research, I’m always looking for patterns and anomalies. (Mike H. and I are generally on the same wavelength in those discussions.) Folklore can be badly garbled after a few hundred years, and worse after a thousand. In fact, the anomalies there are the oral traditions that remain fairly factual.

      So, I’m musing about legends, folklore, and odd histories that stand out because they’ve endured and because — at their core — they could have emerged from a Mandela Effect event. This might be idle speculation, but some of these conversations produce material worth including in more in-depth studies. So, I figured I’d raise this point and see what others think about it.

      Your point is valid, but in an era when people believed the universe rotated around Earth, I’m not sure they’d have considered alternate realities. They’d be more likely to talk in terms of people “visiting heaven” or “slipping into the faerie realm” for a short time.

      I’m also keeping in mind that what’s survived is often what’s been recorded — such as Jane Francesca Agnes, Lady Wilde’s collection of stories in the 19th century — or popular (and “acceptable” enough) to be published. So, I’m looking for glimmers of stories that might indicate the Mandela Effect in past ages.

      Nevertheless, I appreciate your understanding that the Mandela Effect is somewhat different, and I think you’ve make valid points worth discussing. Generally, my ideas are just speculation, no matter how ferocious I might sound in text. (Those who know me in real life are probably laughing at that.) I’m very open to alternate views, and welcome them… except the “just confused” ones, of course. LOL

      1. Kem,

        One possible explanation for your query, is that until recently, the majority of people with alternate memories have explained it away as simple misremembering, rather than associating it with a larger phenomenon. Personally speaking, I have always been open to strange, unusual, and mystical phenomena, nevertheless before the reality shift/ME discussion came into my awareness, I found myself in the position of uncomfortably dismissing even the strongest of these non-conforming memories as memory errors. Even now, I catch my brain trying desperately to justify the newly observed anomaly, at the expense of the original memory. (And for the record, many of my personally observed memory deviations date well back into the 80s.)

        I am, however, curious regarding your suggestion that this seems to be a newer, different, and more urgent type of phenomenon than the typical alternate reality scenario. Please explain.

    1. I listened but got distracted and as it is rather long and complex, could you please say what to look for- where you find the discrepancy? i will listen again- I actually have heard quite a number of the interviews done by these guys and I find them very interesting with a lot of thought inspiring elements.

      1. Good point, Leslie A.D.

        To everyone: When posting a video link, especially if it’s long, include a time note so people can fast-forward to the relevant part of the video. (Nevertheless, the link was appreciated, as I’m being increasingly strict about insisting on links to sources of information.)

  5. The Saint saw a hole over his heart,sharp and clear in the mirror,having shot numerous ungodly he was destined for the retribution,yet in the current timeline the mirror had reflected turbid image,Saint survived in this timeline.Alice was dreamed manifest in the chess world by red king as Saint was dreamed manifest by Andrew Faulks.Alice too survived in our timeline,though she was pounded upon in chess world.

  6. Okay, a few things, Fiona. First off, the Sliding Doors link goes to the Awake page. I\’m guessing this is a mistake. (feel free to remove that last sentence, if you want, after you fix the link) Also, with respect to Awake, I read some stuff that the dude that ran the Awake show said, and he seemed to imply that the whole show was happening inside the main character\’s mind. This would make sense, given that bizarre final episode. (I watched the whole series, and was sad to see Awake go off the air) Anyway, if it really is all in the main character\’s mind, then it would probably not count as an alternate universe show.

    Anyway, all of the stuff about mirrors reminded me of something that I saw, recently. A few years ago I read about a proposed show, that never became an actual show, called Doorways. (then again, maybe it did become a show in an alternate universe…) If I remember properly, the ABC network folks who make these kinds of decisions did not want more that one science fiction show on their network, at the time, and it was down to Doorways and another show, and they went with the other show – Lois and Clark Superman garbage. Well, the idea for Doorways came from that dude that did the Game Of Thrones books, and TV show. I won\’t say much about it, because I don\’t want to spoil it for people who want to watch it, but it will be of interest to proponents of The Mandela Effect, and there is one pivotal part involving looking into mirrors. Someone, just last August, posted the pilot for the show on Youtube. The video is of TERRIBLE quality, but I found it enjoyable, nonetheless. I also have a possible Mandela Effect memory of the character of Kat not being human, but more of an anthropomorphic, cat-like creature. It would be fitting, but I am not as confident in this memory as I am in some others, so it is entirely possible that I am just getting things mixed up. Oh, well, for anyone who is interested in watching the pilot for Doorways, here it is:

    1. Mark, thanks for the alert about the link. I left your comment intact, as I’m happy to correct errors at the site when people find them. (It’s also a good reminder to some readers — the ones who want to put me on a pedestal, which is flattering but makes me very uneasy — that I’m very human and make mistakes like everyone else does.)

      Also, thanks for that YouTube link. I’m downloading the video right now, to watch on my TV, later. (I’m prepared for horrid quality, but your comments have intrigued me, so — of course — I want to see what it’s about.)

  7. The title of the Star Trek episode “Mirror Mirror” was very much on my mind a few days ago. My whole life I’ve been a Trek fan and I never once doubted that it was taken from “Mirror, mirror on the wall, who’s the fairest of them all?” I probably first saw Star Trek’s Mirror Mirror just a few months to a couple years after first seeing Snow White. Except that now it’s “Magic Mirror on the wall”, but the Star Trek title is still “Mirror Mirror” (That was the very second thing I did after verifying that the Snow White quote had changed). This particular Mandela Effect is one of the clearest and most shocking for me. Why the hell does the Star Trek episode have that title if the writer did not also remember the Snow White quote as “Mirror, mirror on the wall”? as clearly as I do.

    I guess it’s highly poignant that one of the major Mandela Effects has to do with mirrors. Is there one mirror or two? Is it magic, or is it just a mirror?

    1. Dan, what impressed me the most in your comment is the question: Is there just one mirror or two? That’s a great observation, particularly if the mirror is the physical conduit.

      I can chalk up the Star Trek title to the popularity of the “Mirror, Mirror” phrase, whether it’s an error or something genuinely Mandela Effect.

      But the question about one mirror or two… that’s something I’ll think about for some time, I’m sure. Very cool, thanks!

      1. Fiona, thanks. That question, like all my best insights, popped into my head at the very last moment.

        To me, a single mirror is, eh, mildly odd. I’m left handed but mildly-ambidextrous, and left/right often confuse me anyway. Two mirrors, however, are mind-blowing, anytime I find myself between two mirrors facing each other and see that infinite series of reflections within reflections I get chills. It’s a different but also mind blowing experience to find myself between two mirrors at or near right angles.

        I have this fascination with someday standing inside a large cube with mirrors on all six sides of me, with infinite reflections everywhere I look.

        I have this other fascination with wanting to stand in front of a large mosaic yin-yang – but instead of half black and half white, it would be half mirror and half stransparent. There’s this whole symbolism of mirror/transparent, where you start to lose yourself in the question of what parts of your view are truly “out there” and what parts are really the reflection of yourself, until you are no longer sure of the difference.

        I also find it significant that the most astonishing of the quantum experiments involve a beam splitter, also known as a half-silvered mirror, that randomly reflects exactly 50% of photons and transparently pass through the other 50% -it’s how you make a photon “flip a coin”, literally taking one path or the other “randomly” through time and space — or does it take both simultaneously? Is the photon in one Universe, or has it split into two Universes? One path or two? One Universe or two?

        1. Dan,
          Are you familiar with the concept of “Indra’s Net”?

          From Wikipedia:
          Indra’s net (also called Indra’s jewels or Indra’s pearls, Sanskrit Indrajāla) is a metaphor used to illustrate the concepts of Śūnyatā (emptiness),[2] pratītyasamutpāda (dependent origination),[3] and interpenetration[4] in Buddhist philosophy.
          “Imagine a multidimensional spider’s web in the early morning covered with dew drops. And every dew drop contains the reflection of all the other dew drops. And, in each reflected dew drop, the reflections of all the other dew drops in that reflection. And so ad infinitum. That is the Buddhist conception of the universe in an image.” –Alan Watts[1]

          For more detail:

          I, too have been fascinated with mirrors and reflections as long as I can remember and this fascination has been primarily an existential one though of course strains of ego and vanity have been present naturally. I recall as a child of maybe 7-9 years old I was in a department store, in a large mall, called Alexander’s. My mother was looking at dresses and I wandered off following my nose through what later seemed like a labyrinth of discreet areas of clothes racks and mannequins. At some point in my exploration it must have occurred to me that I should find my way back to my mother- it seemed like there was much time and distance passed since my point of departure. I thought I knew the way and began to navigate back to where I thought she should be but I quickly realized that I was wrong and could not recognized any landmarks nor find ay point of reference – I was out of context!

          I began to panic and started taking random turns rushing through the maze of corridors created by the tall clothes racks and mannequin displays. Nowhere along the way could I find an adult to ask for help! then I got to a place that seemed familiar- a high and wide archway separating two areas of clothes, and I thought ok, on the other side of that is where I left my mother and if she is still there, I will be home safe! so forward I went and as I proceeded to step through the portal. I almost ran smack into another little girl! I stopped myself just before we collided head on and said. “excuse Me” as I tried to side step her and be on my way…. except, perhaps a micro-beat behind, she did the same thing and once again stepped into my path. So again, I said, “excuse me” and stepped to the opposite side… and so did she. I was beginning to get really frustrated as we did this dance several times more before frustration gave way to action and I decided to just plow through- hitting my head against mirrored glass shocking me into a very disorienting & unsettling realization of what just occurred.

          I don’t remember the specifics of what happened next except that I did of course find my mother and I believe that she hadn’t even noticed my absence and that not much time at all had passed. Since then, over the years up to present I have periodically have had similar experiences of not recognizing my reflection when coming upon it unaware. Always a bit disorienting, it has never been as weirdly so as that first time and as I got older I laugh at myself upon realization.

          The other consistent dynamic between me and mirrors is that I like to observe the world and people through them- like I have always known that you can see thing and witness (what!!? doesn’t that word have 2 “t’s”- wittness!) aspects of people that they don’t reveal directly. For instance when in college a favorite watering hole had a side bar with a ledge and stools to sit at which was a wall of mirror from the ledge up. I would always choose to sit at a far end of the wall if we could , and overwhelmed by sound/activity/energy of the busy college bar, would loose myself observing the other denizens of the grotto surreptitiously through the mirror. This is something I still indulge in when I can.

          1. Leslie A.D.

            Yes, I am familiar with Indra’s Net, I believe it was from study of Alan Watts (Art of Zen). This concept resonated with me deeply.

            I once had the experience of bumping into my own reflection and saying “excuse me” to it. I was already an adult. It was very late at night at a nightclub, I was exhausted and sleep deprived (but entirely sober).

            My own fascination with mirrors is much more recent, starting a couple of years after the nightclub mirror incident, and begins with the beginning of my Zen studies, meditation, psychology and general spiritual awakening.

            The significance of my own mirror incident to me was twofold. First, I discovered that failure to recognize yourself in a mirror can be a symptom of face blindness, which I have. It’s sort of not surprising that I could fail to recognize myself, since I see my own face much less than those of other family and close friends that I see much more often.

            Second, mirrors are closely related to the science of mirror neurons, which turn out to be at the heart of both empathy and social skills, both skills that were difficult for me. We literally only learn who we are as well as who others are through our interactions with them – exactly as per Indra’s Net – so it is striking that insight predates the discovery of mirror neurons by thousands of years. I learned around that same time that a misfunction of mirror neurons is implicated in Asperger’s Syndrome, which I also have a mild case of.

            Finally, the Mirror Test is a fundamental test that psychologists and zoologists use to study the concept of self-awareness in both humans and animals – by seeing if an animal or an infant recognizes itself, or believes it’s reflection is another animal/person. (The tests have to be adjusted for subjects whose primary sense is not vision, like dolphins.) So, in that brief moment, my exhausted sleepy brain temporarily lost it’s self-awareness.

            So, yes, mirrors or at least the concept of reflection are fundamental throughout spirituality, psychology, physics, mathematics (in the form of mathematical symmetry) and even philosophy.

            As an aside, I found it a striking coincidence that your incident occurred in childhood while lost in a department store – given that this was the exact setting of Elizabeth Loftus’ implanted memory experiments

    2. That was a good episode! Star Trek’s very own alternate reality.

      I commented because this is something I’ve been thinking about, and your post reminded me. Whenever I see the word “mirror”, I get this weird visual effect where I think the first “r” is reversed, like in the “Toys R Us” sign. This is especially true if it’s typed in all caps, like it is very often here, but it happens with lowercase letters too. I have to read the word three and four times to make sure it’s correct. It’s odd, because if that first “r” actually were reversed, the word would be split in the middle, with the entire front half reversed, like a mirror image–because the “m” and the “i” are the same either way–and the second half normal.

      The only other time I get any kind of weird visual effect is when I look at an actual book or picture of the Berenstain books. The “a” in the official font looks really wrong to me, like physically-hurting-my-eyes wrong. Like bad-Photoshopping-pixels-everywhere wrong.

      I don’t know if that means anything, but the fact that the two words that give me problems are ME-related…makes me think.

  8. Besides the Mirror Mirror universe in TOS , Star Trek The Next Generation also had a very Mandela Effect/Many Worlds episode called Parallels (S07E11) where Worf returns to a very subtly different Enerprise, then keeps shifting into other alternate realities with even more shocking changes, like people dead who were not before. Finally, in a mind blowing climax, the ship encounters duplicate Enterprises from over 400,000 different alternate timelines.

  9. Perhaps hauntings are not necessarily caused by a haunting at all? Some mysterious things happened at my old job. Everybody who worked nights thought the place was haunted, but I’m that made little sense because the building was less than ten years old and nothing bad had ever happened there. I tried to look up the history of the land but couldn’t come up with much. What if the reason haunting occur isn’t because of an emotional resonance – what if it’s only because some event happened in many timeliness that caused a huge divide in the timeliness afterwards? Deaths generally have a huge impact on the people around them, so if one happens, this could cause a major change in timelines – in someone dies in one timeline, and doesn’t in another, those timeliness are going to be potentially very different from that point on. Likewise, the bigger the tragedy, the bigger divergence the timeliness will have. If 9/11 never happened in some timelines, those timelines will be much, much, different than ours today. In this scenario, it’s not the event that caused the haunting, it’s the rift that resulted from that rift. Maybe no tragedy ever happened at my old job, but some event did happen that altered other timelines drastically.

    1. Melissa, those are interesting “what if?” questions, and better discussed at one of my ghost-related websites or even at my new site about markers and patterns that affect a variety of paranormal fields.

      And, before reaching the point of thinking something seems like a haunting, my 2016 edition of “Is Your House Haunted?” will cover even more normal (if odd) explanations for apparent paranormal activity. (Well, the 2016 edition will cover that if I can find time to actually update the book… LOL)

      But… I’m not quite grasping what you’re saying about a time rift (or the rift caused by the difference in timelines) causing hauntings.

      If you can explain this in a clear Mandela Effect context, I’d be interesting in continuing this conversation at this site. Otherwise, it’s best to post a comment at one of my paranormal sites… either one related to hauntings, or to the markers & patterns that may transcend current paranormal labels.

  10. First off I would like to say there are a lot of brilliant ideas and posters on this thread. I just want to bounce a thought off everyone. Every so often, I will look in the mirror , and it will seem as though its not quite me. It is the oddest feeling. Like something just isn’t quite right. I could be brushing my teeth, combing my hair, or whatever, and it will dawn on me ” is that REALLY me?” Its akin to suddenly feeling like you don’t know where you are, or everything is foreign, even though you may have been there or done whatever a million times, for whatever reason, THIS time, you feel like you don’t know where you are. Even friends or relatives will seem like strangers. Both of these things have happened to me throughout my life—–not often, but enough that I remember them. I have always had a strange feeling, ever since I was kid that mirrors were like windows into another world. I even Imagined being on the other side looking into my world at times. Anyone else??? Mike H.

    1. Mike H, I’d love to joke and say that this is normal with age — whether we’re teens suddenly seeing an adult in the mirror, or much older and seeing an uneasy resemblance to our parents or grandparents — but that would be a flippant response, and miss the very serious point of what you’re saying.

      And, I’m sure someone will point out that what we see in the mirror is a reverse image, particularly jarring when we view another person in the reflection; they’re “backwards.” Again, that’s too easy an explanation for this discussion.

      Like you, I’ve always felt uneasy around some mirrors. For me, it’s not all mirrors, just some. It doesn’t help that, at sites like Houmas House (ca. 2003, Lousiana, USA), the Driskill (ca. 2004, the Maximilian mirrors I’d previously mentioned), and an historical society in Haverhill (ca. 2008, MA, USA), I’ve seen reflections of things that weren’t in the room. (It wasn’t just me, it wasn’t a trick of the light, and I’m careful to work with researchers who avoid contagion at the point of observation. The differences weren’t huge, and might be overlooked by someone giving a casual glance, but they were distinctive enough to note.)

      So, I haven’t figured out what some mirrors are or do. (In the case of Houmas House, I’d expand that to other reflective surfaces.)

      While I did have an inkling of this as a child, I was so immersed in fairy tales and fantasy fiction, I can’t claim my judgment was reliable at that age.

      However, as an adult — and determined to be objective and work with hard evidence whenever possible — I’ve had the feeling that some mirrors are… well, I don’t know. I don’t want to say that they’re windows, per se, because that’s not quite how they seem; it’s more as if they’re reflections, but not reflections of this reality. I want to say they’re images, in a way, and rather reminiscent of 1940s and 50s sci-fi classics, where star travelers tuned into other worlds via a screen of some kind.

      1. When I was a child (8 to 10 years old, not sure of the exact age), I saw a horror movie in which a woman looked into a mirror at night with the lights out and saw a ghost or demon or something. This was one of those cheesy 1960s horror flicks on some late-night show, but I was young and it kinda freaked me out. Ever since then, I’ve never looked into a mirror in the dark! I keep thinking that if I do, I’ll see something that isn’t supposed to be there.

        1. Vivienne, there are so many directions to take that… including how light might affect more than just vampires. I’ve always claimed that people can go ghost hunting in the daytime with nearly as good results as after dark, but what if I’m wrong? What if the sun negates some energy/effects, and the darkness empowers/frees it, or something like that?

          I’m not sure how this relates to mirrors and the Mandela Effect, directly, but I have the feeling a theory is hidden in there, somewhere. So, I’m mentioning this angle, in case someone else has some insights. Otherwise, the ghosts-and-mirrors topic is more for my site than here. If so, I’ll create an article there, to continue this kind of conversation.

          This is one of those not-quite Mandela Effect topics, but not-quite ghosts/paranormal, either. It’s why I’m trying to find time to develop, but… well, I’m not sure why I thought it was such a great idea to do that, approaching the holidays. LOL

    2. Mike- I just left a reply to Dan’s comment prior to reading this where I address just that kind of experience!

    3. Mike.H, Raymoody Moody has made a science of mirror gazing to induce altered state of consciousness and enter other worlds,whether these other worlds are astral planes or alternate realities,is a moot question.

  11. Fiona, I knew you would understand what I meant! I have seen a few posters, in other topics touch on this also , so I am not sure how common or uncommon it might be. I was thinking, other than a mirror or reflection , none of us knows what we really look like. Mike H.

    1. Mike H., what about portraits — drawings, paintings, and photos? (I’m genuinely interested in what you think about them, as a confirmation of what’s in the mirror.)

    2. Hey Mike H.
      Im not trying to derail this topic, but your last observation brought up a conversation I recently had regarding color. The “gist” of which was, even though we all agree a certian color is that color, we may not see the same thing. In other words, what I see as green, may not be what you see as green, but we can agree it is green.

      1. DbD and Mike H., that’s another rabbit hole I find really creepy. I often wonder just what other people see, in terms of color. I wonder whether what they see as green is what I’d call red, but none of us realize the perception differences.

        Also, I consider it a little odd that — with all the other changes between realities — no one has mentioned a reality where the sky is a completely different color. Or the grass. Or anything, aside from Chevron signs, Carmen Sandiego’s coat, and so on.

        1. I’ve wondered the same thing about color perception.

          One thing I find interesting is that ancient societies didn’t have a word for the color blue. How can that be? It makes no sense to me, unless maybe the sky, sea, rivers etc were a color other than blue? This article is titled “No one could see blue until modern times”. Could they not see it, or was it not there?

          In The Odessey, the sea is described as wine dark. Maybe that was another reality where the sea was a dark red.

          1. You should check out the Thunderbolt Project on YouTube. They present many convincing arguments that Saturn was once our sun, and the Earth would have been enveloped in the orange-red glow of Saturn’s atmosphere. Blues and greens would have been less observable until Earth became a satellite of the current sun. This is well beyond the scope of the ME forum, but I thought you might be interested.

        2. This comment might appear out of order, but it is intended as an add on to my previous comment about ancient peoples not having a word for blue. The predominant theory is that they didn’t see blue, because they didn’t have a word for it. This is problematic in a kind of chicken/egg way. It would seem that a word (in this case blue) would come about to describe the physical world they were seeing. If they couldn’t ‘see’ blue because there was no word for it, this could suggest that parts of the physical world (or at least what we are able to see of it) exist only after we invent the words to describe them.

          For the record, I don’t necessarily agree with the theory that they didn’t notice blue because they didn’t have a word for it. I first became interested in this when I listened to the Radiolab show mentioned in the link I posted. I’ve read about it, and thought about it a lot. I don’t have the answers, but the thought that it could be connected to alternate realities is entertaining.

          Here’s the link again in case this comment appears away from my other one:

            1. You’re welcome Fiona. For me, the Mandela Effect offers a better explanation for this mystery than any other theories I’ve read.

      2. I experience and accommodate that on pretty much a daily basis, so while aware am also accustomed and take it as assumed and granted, I guess.

      3. My best friend and I are artists, so we often discuss color and people’s perception of it. We both tend to notice very subtle differences in shades of color, which seems to be typical of artistic people in general. (I wonder if this extends to other types of artists, such as dancers and musicians.) Also, it seems that women are more color observant than men, and make more distinctions between shades. For example, men will describe a range of blues as simply “blue,” while women will use terms like “light blue,” “turquoise,” “indigo,” etc.

        Maybe we need a separate discussion just for color perception. It seems to be a popular topic.

        1. Vivienne, as an artist, I’m fascinated by this topic. However, while color perception differences might reflect a different “home” universe, it’s not otherwise a Mandela Effect topic. Not unless I’m missing something important about this. (If so, tell me.)

          1. Fiona,
            The color/color perception differences could be another marker. Maybe like the visual equivalent of an alternate memory. Or a marker akin to the letter markers that have been speculated about on this site. It would be difficult, if not impossible to quantify though.

            Vivienne, thanks for the recommendation. I will check it out!

  12. Fiona, it’s a bit hard to put in words. But to me, the mirror never lies. Of course, I guess it’s up to us, if we choose to believe what we see in it. Mirrors and reflections are fluid , always changing. Photos and portraits offer ( in my own opinion ) , a one time snap shot ( I am not discounting their importance though ). They have room for errors. Mirrors seem “alive”?? Constantly changing. Where as photos and paintings offer a glimpse “at that moment”. This probably doesn’t make much sense. But ,in the mind of a completely sane ,madman, it does—–that’s a joke, feel free to laugh at me or with me. Mike H.

    1. Good points, Mike! Also, if we consider the possibility that we “slide” from one reality to another in physical form, the question might be asked, “Just who is in those portraits, anyway?” LOL

      1. We may move from one reality to another, but maybe the mirror doesn’t, at least not immediately. Could that be the reason why some people notice differences between the mirrored image and the physical reality–because there a lag time involved while the reflection catches up?

  13. You know, I don’t really ever look into mirrors, but it’s not because I’m scared or anything. I just never really had any interest in them. Almost like they are a blind spot for me. Also did your website recently change? The comment box is now above the name and e-mail box instead of below it.

    1. Mathew, would you describe your attitude towards mirrors as boredom, disdain, avoidance, or something else?

      Also, always check Site News when you have a question about something that appears different at this website. (Yes, the site design changed recently.)

      1. Sorry Fiona. I was on the road and short on time, and the change really caught me off guard. I would have to categorize it as something else. I never really thought about it much before. If I had to describe it, I would have to call it kind of a disconnect or disinterest. I rarely use mirrors. I shave and cut my hair by feel and memory as opposed to using a mirror. I usually check in the mirror afterwards to make sure it’s good, but even then I usually ask my wife to doublecheck it. Maybe a better term is ditrust. Not as in a scared standpoint, but more as if I think it is inaccurate, but almost on the subconscious level. I’m kind of the same way with photos and home videos. Just have no interest in them. It usually upsets my wife because she is really big into using photos to bring back memories(nostalgia), but I’m more of the remembering from the experience instead of photos type. Hmmmm……maybe that is why I or maybe even we as a community are more in tune with the changes than the general populace. We rely more on and have more confidence in our memory as opposed to outside information…..Sorry got off on a little bit of a tangent there. Also, for the last 6+ years whenever I close out an e-mail I always manually type in thank you and then my name(I never use a prebuilt signature block because it seems less personal). For the last 2 or three weeks I have had to force myself to put the space between thank and you. I seem to always type thankyou instead.

        1. It’s interesting that you brought up the photograph issue. I’ve never had a huge interest in photos the way so many other people do. I take loads I pictures of my cats, but hardly any of myself or other humans. I’ve always put this down to my general antisocial tendencies, though. I’ve never been a “people person” and so I haven’t felt the need to record their activities for posterity. I have no framed photographs of friends and family anywhere. I have picture albums that I rarely look at. I wish that I wasn’t like this,because photos might be useful in tracking ME changes–only I’ll never know because I don’t pay attention to them.

          1. Hey Vivienne,
            Although off topic, I do not have an emotional attraction or fascination with photographs either. All my friends have photos of us growing up, and I do enjoy looking at them together, but I have NEVER felt any desire to take them of myself or others.

  14. This is an aside, there are a lot of myths about mirrors, even modern memes, like looking into a mirror saying the name of someone and the appear behind you in a mirror, I am wondering if this isnt a fear of mirrors mirrors being different a different reality, summoning from the other world. Theres the Poirot story about Mrs Mcginty’s dead where which bring into effect mirror images (wont spoil the story).

    1. Martin, that’s one of my favorite Poirot tales.

      Also, I can’t believe that I overlooked the many “summon a ghost” stories — mostly from university dorms — where uttering a particular phrase three times will cause the ghost to appear in the mirror… and perhaps in real life, as well. How did I forget that? (Rhetorical question. ‘Tis the season to be overwhelmed with on- and offline busyness. LOL)

      (Ref. The “bloody Mary” legend: )

  15. In the Tom Robbins novel Still Life With Woodpecker, a mirror figures prominently in the story. It’s been a decade since I’ve read the book, so forgive me if I can’t remember the details. The main character imprisons herself with only three objects, and ahe spends many hours contemplating a pack of camel cigarettes. She finally looks at it in the mirror, she sees the word CHOICE on the pack is not reversed, and she believes it’s a message. During this time in the novel, she “travels” to the world on the pack of camels (the picture on camels has a background with pyramids and desert).

    This quote stood out to me as relevant to The Mandela Effect:
    “A successful external reality depends on an internal vision that is left intact” (Robbins, Still life with woodpecker)

    Here is a fun blog post about the character’s travels to the-land-on-the-pack-of-cigarettes:

    Book synopsis:

  16. I forgot to include in my comment, that Wikipedia says this book is about “the primacy of an individual and metaphysical outlawism”. There is a citation for that on the Wikipedia page I linked.

  17. I also find it a little curious that no one seems to appear different in any reality. It’s a bit depressing to think I’m overweight in EVERY reality, and that I haven’t bothered to dye my greying hair. That being said, I have had several days recently in which my shoe size seems to have inexplicably changed from day to day.

    1. Melissa, I probably shouldn’t laugh, but that comment strikes me funny. And you’re right: I can’t think of many comments where people talk about appearances (of people: themselves or others) being significantly different.

      However, that triggered an odd thought, which may have no merit at all in this discussion: Saturn Returns. They’re an astrological event that happens every ~30 years in people’s lives. We’ve often noticed dramatic personality changes around those years and called them “mid-life crisis” and so on, but what if they have nothing to do with astrology (or age, per se) and people have automatically scheduled “slides” then?

      Meanwhile, the shoe size issue is a little odd. Shoe size can change slightly from day to day, due to dietary changes (especially salt, water, alcohol, and anything food your sensitive or mildly allergic to). But I doubt that’s what you’re talking about.

      How dramatic is the shoe size difference?

      1. I know my eye colour is changing. it used to be brown but its now more green.. have noticed the change myself.. whether thats natural or something else.. i dont know

      2. I had a dream of an alternate reality a few weeks ago(I think I posted a comment on the personal memories page that only you can see). In that reality, all of my family members were roughly the same people, but they all looked different. I looked different and was about 10 years younger also.

  18. Mike.H, In ME context nothing is fixed,photo on paper or digital,is as prone to change as reflection in mirror.Theoretically( ME theories that have evolved in this site,hopefully they will be mainstream soon)the reality might be changing every moment,the paper map that shows Australia flanked by indian ocean on west and pacific on east,could, in next moment be showing Australia in middle of south pacific,this is the whole point of ME,very convenient for charlatans like me but that’s the way it is.

    1. Hey Vivek,
      I can appreciate the attitude of “This is the way it is”, but at some point we need to explain WHY. I think most of us would agree that you are right that these things are occurring, but saying “Thats the way it is” isnt enough anymore. I love the fact that you can stand by your convictions in the face of ridicule, its that type of attitude that pushes discovery. Your theory seems to fall into the realm of “Schrodinger’s Cat”. (Which has been mentioned before, but I’ll link anyway.)'s_cat
      (Hey Fiona, if my link doesn’t work, it may be because I dont have an Umlaut key. LOL!)
      I hope I didn’t offend you with this comment, as that was not my intention!

      1. DbD, The only ‘why’ that needs to be answered is why the creation exists at all.Schroedinger’s cat had only 1 life and either it was dead or alive,ordinarily cats have 9 lives but ME grants unlimited lives.Schroedinger’s cat was very mortal unlike ME cat which is immortal,so no allusion to my ME inference.

        1. Hey Vivek,
          Not exactly. With Schrodingers Cat, its not EITHER dead OR alive, its BOTH dead AND alive. So, infinite lives does apply UNTIL the cat is observed or measured.

          We walk before we run, so stating the only “why” to ask is why the creation exists is tantamount to the computer in “Hitchikers” resonding with 42 as the answer to the question “What is the meaning of life?”

  19. I have just last year begun a Saturn 30 year cycle and let me tell you that it probably a good thin I have Jupiter for a patron planet because Saturn is a tough task master even so!… tho I can\’t really make a lot of connections right nowI can contribute more dots… tomorrow I will have completed the 7th year of my 7th 7 year cycle- kindof a personal golden Shemitah – 7×7 still =49, right?My features have changes and when I look at pictures of myself I often am surprised by what I see. and its not just lack of recognition… I know in 99% of the photos are \”supposed\” to be \”me\” and I know that my features , demeanor, expression, even feature shapes have morphed periodically it would seem. And now that I am on this thought I think that and underlying … mistrust or expectation of shift did, on a not-conscious in which ever here/now present conscious awareness was present for level, inform some of my mirror games… My mother was a pathologically malignantly narcissistic (isn\’t that interesting… after over a decade researching NPD, I didn\’t even occur to me to relate my dynamics with the type to the mirros discussion… maybe later) and I recall her periodically comment \”boy you really must think a lot of yourself always looking in the mirror… you really like to look at yourself, why don\’t you get out of the mirror…\” or some such poke or jab. Iand an exercise in frustration and futiltity to even begin to explain to her that vanity related thoughts really didn\’t occur to me in that way and that I was just checking to SEE what I currently looked like in a way, who am I today? To have some sense of self knowledge that connects me to this body I have never been entirely at home in… it was especially important for me to study the details of the face I wore during and after emotionally traumatic events… I was compelled and I don\’t know why but I do know there was no sense of evaluation or judgement one way or another.

    Back to the photos- I have always felt- aside from the morphs- regardless of what face I currently has on I did not take a good picture – I was not what is called photogenic but other than those \”bad\” body image days never thought mys3lf to be unattractive either. But up until I rediscovered myself as an artist a few years ago and started documenting my face and playing with self portraits I was rare that I would like a picture of myself and the ones I did like were usually unposed and taken unaware.and people would always contradict me when i\’d say I don\’t look \”good\” in photos or I don\’t look like me in photos and I would think man I must have some wierd reverse body dimorphic thing or some such… But then realized that a lot of the time they saw it too but felt that contradicting my perception was \”being nice\” so, I made up a theory and began using it when I would run away from the camera- My life vital essence does not translate to a still image captured in time and thats the reason for the disparity between the being who is living me and the representation of that me … its is static and sort of tries to establish a \”timeless\” absolute of idk, youth, success, whatever but really it does the opposite- it traps an aspect of you in timeI only look and feel \”good\” as myself in unself conscious motion positive or negative, creative or deconstructive I am the flux/flow fluid energy vibrating plasma goo meta morph osmosis in reflective fractal groove with the other dancing sparks of energy all of life is pulsation, the universe is pulsates on/off, in/out- we are that pulsation ; matter is simply light energy moving so infinitesimally slow that it appears to be still. \”We are all slowed down light\” (to quote Alan Watts)vibrating our selfs and each other to higher frequency porous vscosity weightless, permeable open casting neither reflection nor shadow onto solid form once home you are mirror, reflection and reflected… flux..pulse …groove…

  20. I may have mentioned this idea on another page on this site, but I feel it warrants discussion here as well. The multiple universes, what if they exist simultaneously *but in different light wavelengths*. Such that color is slightly different in these different multiverses, but a number of them would have overlapping wavelengths. Some would have more colors on the red end of the spectrum, others on the blue end. Maybe some would be reversed–it would explain, for me, why I so commonly find people who draw rainbows “backwards” with the purple on top. Or perhaps why “chartruse” has swapped from a magenta is shade to a yellowish green one. This universe seems to lack a shade of purple that I would describe as Indigo, and here Indigo is a blue color.

    Maybe mirrors, much like prisms, split the light in such a way that they give us a glimpse of the “something else” that exists all around us all the time, but we lack the the facilities to perceive. Perhaps with a knowledge we lack, they can also serve as the physical doorways between those multiverses.

  21. Fascinating. As a child I was very taken with Alice going through the looking glass and used to play a game where I’d hold a mirror in my hands, looking downward at it and then ‘walk on the ceiling’ through-out the house. I loved the feeling of being in a different ‘reality’. I’d finish by going into my wardrobe. It had a sliding door and for some reason that felt significant – that when I slid it open I would find myself in a different place. Even now, when I’m in an elevator and the doors slide open I quite often catch myself expecting those doors to open into somewhere else. (I love this forum – I’ve NEVER said this to anyone!)

  22. The late Douglas Adams dealt with alternate realities wonderfully in his book, “Dirk Gently’s Holistic Detective Agency,” and its sequel, “The Long, Dark Teatime of the Soul.” They’re a great, fun read, and kind of thought-provoking in the context of alternate reality stories and the Mandela Effect.

    1. FJ, I thought of him when I wrote the article, too.

      In some re-tellings of that story — and some that are vaguely similar — the person traveled to an alternate world/reality under the water… not always the realm of “The Little Mermaid.” (Note: The Irish versions are far more benign than the Scottish ones.)

      Later, I may explore that kind of lore in the context of Mandela Effect, because I think these “hidden worlds” (and where “triangles” — like the Bermuda Triangle and Bennington Triangle — might lead) could be relevant.

      Tomorrow’s survey is about locations, and that might give me an excuse to dig into the possibility that alternate worlds are closer than most people realize.

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