Star Trek’s Chakotay – Story Line

By | 29 December 13

Chakotay, as portrayed by Robert BeltranDid Chakotay die in a mid-season episode of Star Trek: Voyager, and return — with no explanation — several episodes later?

This question was raised at Dragon*Con 2010 in Atlanta, Georgia, in a conversation between two fans of Star Trek: Voyager and actor Robert Beltran, who portayed the character, Chakotay.

Two people at Dragon*Con clearly remembered Chakotay’s death in a mid-season episode. They recalled his baffling (but welcomed) return, about four or five episodes later.  They described the episode in detail, and wanted to know why there had been no explanation for Chakotay’s return.

Robert Beltran was surprised by the question. He said his character didn’t die at that time, no episode like that was filmed, and — as far as he knew — it was never even discussed by the writers and producers.

I joined that conversation because I overheard it and immediately connected it with the Mandela Effect.

I referred to it in my article, Nelson Mandela Died in Prison?  I was making a point about how we explain to ourselves our alternate memories, preferring something logical within our everyday reality.

In that article, I said:

During Dragon*Con 2010, someone insisted that he remembered a Star Trek episode that — according to one star of the show — was never filmed.  The person who remembered the alternate episode wasn’t weird or wild-eyed… he was a very normal person, and only referenced the episode as part of a routine conversation.

I was there when he heard that the episode never existed.  He was stunned, and quickly tried to find a logical explanation for his “faulty” memory.

Since then, the Chakotay topic has generated interesting discussions.

The following are some comments related to Chakotay, Star Trek, and a story line that — apparently — never existed in our timeline.

On 3 Mar 2012, Joe said:

I have read about that vanishing Star Trek episode before years ago on some discussion forum, but can’t remember the details. Do you have a description by chance? I swear I remember looking it up and remembering it being aired but not being able to find a description anywhere, much like the person mentioned above.

I replied:

The fan was talking with Robert Beltran, and the fan said how happy he and his wife had been, when the Chakotay character was “brought back” into the story. The fan said how disappointed they’d been, when the character had been killed off.

That fan — with his wife by his side — asked Robert Beltran why there hadn’t been an explanation in the story. They said that Chakotay had just reappeared, as if he’d never died and never been out of the Star Trek series at all.

Mr. Beltran looked at the fan, confused, and said that Chakotay hadn’t been killed during the series, and so there was no “return” to explain.

Both the fan and his wife did their best to take this in stride, but I could see that they were baffled. That’s why I decided to talk with them, give them my card, and tell them that — if they had other questions — to let me know.

This was a moment when it wasn’t just one person’s memory. It was the memory of two people, who were in complete agreement about what they’d seen on the TV.

As I left them, they were still trying to figure out what it was that they actually saw, because neither of them had another explanation for something they remembered so clearly.

When these things happen, the logical assumption is, “Oh, I must have been mistaken.” However, when two people are in complete agreement, and they both experienced the event, this becomes unsettling.

On 4 July 2012, tsadowq said (in a longer comment):

Isn’t it interesting that Whoopi Goldberg’s character “Guinan” (sp?) is from a race that is aware of these alterations in the timestream? There are at least two episodes where the timeline changes, and she is the only member of the Enterprise crew who is aware of it.

On 6 May 2013, Ironic said:

Actually, in the final episode ‘Endgame’, Chakotay did die, but it was an alternate reality, if you can believe that. His wife Seven of 9 was killed and when he returned to Earth it is implied he killed himself. Janeway goes back in time and changes it so Seven and he live. How’s that for ironic??

On 27 December 2013, T said:

I also remember the “missing” Star Trek Voyager episode with Chakotay being killed, then returning a week or so later like nothing happened; this was a midseason episode, not to be confused with the series finale “Endgame”.

On 28 Dec 2013, Gurluas commented:

Being a Voyager fan I am interested in the episode where Chakotay died…Maybe in that reality they decided to replace him instead of Kes?

Here’s some of what I said in my reply:

I happened to be near Robert Beltran’s “Walk of Fame” table at Dragon*Con when the couple approached him with the question about Chakotay’s death and unexplained return. They didn’t give a whole lot of information, but I got the idea there was a lapse of about five episodes before Chakotay returned, as if nothing had happened.

Beltran replied that the show had never filmed anything like that, not even as an alternate ending to a storyline. As far as he knew, nothing along those lines had ever been written, either.

When I spoke with Beltran later, he said he’d never heard that kind of question before, so he had no insights at all…

Since that particular couple recalled Chakotay’s death — and both were absolutely certain of the episode where he died — I’m sure others do, too. It seems pretty rare for someone to have one of these celebrity-related memories, unless others have that same memory.

What really interests me is: They described episodes between Chakotay’s death and his return to the show. So, either both people (husband & wife) were in an alternate reality for at least a month (starting with the episode where Chakotay died, plus at least three or four episodes without him), or they “slid” for the episode where he was killed and… I don’t know, were there any sequential episodes where Chakotay was missing for other (scripted) reasons? (I’m wondering if they “slid” and saw the episode in which Chakotay died, and then slid back into their home universe at another, unrelated point where — in our current timestream — Chakotay wasn’t featured for a few weeks.)

That might contribute to an understanding of the duration of slides.

My recollection of Nelson Mandela’s funeral involved days. The same is true for the times I turned on the TV, saw that they were still covering Billy Graham’s death, and I turned off the TV, immediately.

So, for those particular “slides,” I was in a different reality for days or longer.

The Chakotay incident seems to involve weeks. The more information we can gather about extended events like that, the more clues we’ll have regarding the duration of some (not necessarily all) “slides.”

Gurluas replied:

Chakotay may have been missing for a few episodes, but definitely not five in sequence. It would be interesting to find out when in the series this exactly happened.

Robert Beltran was an outspoken critic of where his character and the show was going.

http://www.treknews.net/2012/07/21/robert-beltran-star-trek-voyager-interview/

It’s very possible that in some other reality he insulted some executive and he decided to end Chakotay’s run early. A bit similar to what happened to the Professor on Sliders.

(My thoughts, after a few conversations with Robert Beltran: He’s one of those forthright people who speaks his mind. I’ll admit I’d expected him to be “just a pretty face,” but he’s a thoughtful guy with intelligence, integrity, and humility that shine through. In most realities, I’d expect him to be honest, and outspoken when he needed to be.)

Later on 28 Dec 2013, Gurluas suggested:

Anything is possible. But I personally believe that either our memories are being overwritten by another reality, or we make short jaunts to other realities without noticing it.

I believe it is the former. As our memories for the most part, everything that defines us. If we get a few days of memory from a reality almost identical to ours, we most likely wont notice.

The problem for some when these events appear to happen in real time.

An example being, the couple who watched Star Trek Voyager, and saw Robert Beltran’s character Chakotay die, then he was gone for several episodes and back.Did they live in another reality for those episodes? Or was their memory overwritten with information where they watched those things happen?

The most common effect appears to be emotional though. Real memories seem to be rare.

Often people remembers being sad that someone dies for instance, but they do not remember concrete memories, just emotions.

I was asking some people some time ago. And I asked about Billy Graham, and someone I knew remembers being sad at his death. With further inquiry, it wasn’t the priest Billy Graham, but the wrestler. He is ALSO not dead.

I believe that some things can leak over. And it can be anything from emotions, to memories, to light (ghosts), and even to flesh and blood beings. and exotic particles.

That’s where this discussion is, as of late December 2013. I hope you’ll share your thoughts and comments, below.  I’m especially interested in hearing from others who recall the “missing” Chakotay episode, and those who can use that TV show — or something similar — to put a bracket (a time frame) around a series of events that weren’t in our current timeline.

10 thoughts on “Star Trek’s Chakotay – Story Line

  1. Gurluas

    By the way, you should watch the TNG episode “Parallels” It’s actually quite interesting when compared to the Mandela effect.

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    1. Fiona Broome Post author

      Gurluas, I’ll do that, thanks! I haven’t seen that episode in forever. (Okay, not literally, of course… but it’s been a long time.)

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  2. Cel

    Did this couple, by any chance, say which season Chakotay died in? I feel like there was an episode sometime around 1996 (when I was a kid and started watching) where he had a near-death spiritual experience, or was actually declared dead (by the Doctor/Janeway/someone) down on a planet? But I haven’t rewatched most of the episodes so I could be wrong.

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    1. Fiona Broome Post author

      Cel,

      I wish I’d paid attention or knew how to contact that couple. I didn’t and don’t, and I doubt that Mr. Beltran would recall, either. I remember him looking at them, completely baffled, because it made no sense to him. According to the couple, he died and was actually written out of the show for several (many?) episodes. That’s all I recall, but I know it occurred when Chakotay had become involved with Seven of Nine.

      Sincerely,
      Fiona

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      1. Gurluas

        That’s very curious because that didn’t happen until the end of the very last season when the show was about to end.

        Kes was written out when they brought Seven of Nine in the show, now my theory was, that they had written out Chakotay in that reality, since the actor was very unhappy with how his character was doing.

        But that happened in Season 4 I think. Chakotay and Seven got in a relationship in Season 7, and actually around the very last episodes. Did their reality had more seasons? Or did the relationship kick in earlier?

        Earlier in the show it was hinted the Doctor or Harry Kim would have a relation with Seven.
        The Chakotay and Seven relationship popped out of the blue actually.

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        1. Gurluas

          Also, I just remembered this, in the very last episode, an alternate future version of Chakotay died.
          If they only watched part of that episode, and then saw reruns or something where he was alive. They could have confused it?

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          1. Fiona Broome Post author

            I wish I could work with that idea, but it’s not a match for this case. They were both 100% certain which season it was in, exactly when it occurred in the episode sequence, which episodes followed where he died, how many episodes were in-between, and so on. The couple were also very well-grounded. They were nice, intelligent people. They weren’t obsessed fans and they almost stood out in the crowd because they looked so very normal.

            When I spoke with them about the Mandela Effect, they weren’t impressed. (They like their fiction — including sci-fi — clearly separated from reality, thank you very much. LOL) They were absolutely, positively, certain they’d seen the episode they discussed, in the sequence where they saw it.

            Robert Beltran seemed intrigued by the Mandela Effect, because he was kind of taken aback when the couple were so insistent about what they’d seen.

            However, given the details the couple included, and how tidy and precise they seemed, as individuals, I don’t think they confused a rerun of a later episode with where they were in the series sequence.

          2. Gurluas

            Well it was just an idea. I wish we could contact them, it would certainly help.
            The possibilities as I see them are the following.

            1. Their Voyager started earlier, or later than ours, and thus did not end at the same time. This means that they may have seen a Season 7 finale where Chakotay died, and then tuned in to say… our Season 6 where he was fine.

            2. Their Voyager had eight seasons, not seven. And they wrote off Chakotay in Season 7. Although the series ended in Season 7 so it makes little sense.

            3. Chakotay and Seven of Nine’s relationship started properly as a build up in season 5 or so. And then they wrote off Chakotay at the end of Season 6. When they tuned in to our reality he’d be back.

            That is all I can think of…

          3. Fiona Broome Post author

            Good explanations, thank you! I like this.

            I gave them my contact information, but I think they’d just been a little traumatized by meeting a favorite star (Robert Beltran) and then asking him about his death and return in the series… and finding out it never happened.

            Then, I probably compounded the problem by trying to explain Mandela Effect to them… and I may have sounded a little mad to them. (It’s okay. I get that a lot. LOL)

            Seriously, I’d love to hear if they had a real, “normal” answer to what they saw. However, while I was able to give them my business card, I don’t even know what their names were.

            Maybe they’ll stumble onto this thread, some day. I like to think they will.

            Cheerfully,
            Fiona

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