18 thoughts on “Do You Have a Mandela Effect Memory?”

  1. You have a sexy voice, Fiona! I thought that that was good advice, for the most part, but I’m gonna have to disagree with the parts about Wikipedia and Snopes. Both have a bias toward a pseudoskeptical world view.

    Wikipedia is generally unreliable for a lot of reasons, (which you warned us about) and one of those reasons is that there is a group that actively tries to spin Wikipedia articles towards a pseudoskeptical, “paranormal is BS” ideology. The website for this group is called: “Guerrilla Skepticism On Wikipedia.” You can look it up if you want. (or not…) It was started by a pseudoskeptic named Susan Gerbic, as an outgrowth of Tim Farley’s Skeptools website, which aims to use technology to promote the pseudoskeptic agenda. While Farley’s aim is more general, Gerbic seems to aim, more specifically, at spinning on Wikipedia. I don’t know if it is still up, but there was, once, a video of Gerbic giving a speech to her pseudoskeptical posse, which, among other things, detailed ways to try to subvert the systems that Wikipedia puts in play to try to stop the spinning of their articles by groups like hers. On top of all of that, the founder of Wikipedia, Jimmy Wales, has said some negative things about paranormal phenomena and other alternative stuff, like homeopathy.

    Snopes, unfortunately, has also been taken over by pseudoskeptics who are involved with the organized pseudoskeptic movement. They seemed a little more open in their early days to paranormal phenomena, but they have, since, had many pseudoskeptics join their ranks. Besides, people who run a site as badly as they do should not be trusted, even if they weren’t pseudoskeptics. I’ll post an article about some of their more recent problems. It is a shame that the article focuses on their “liberal bias.” I mean, it is probably true that they have a liberal bias, but their problems go a lot deeper than mainstream political bias. Be warned, though, that the article that is linked to, just below, is more than a little impolite, to say the least:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-12-22/snopes-co-founder-embezzles-98000-drops-weight-leaves-fat-wife-and-marries-actual-wh

    1. Mark, I’m laughing over the voice comment. I hear the recording and think I sound like my mother. Or maybe my second-grade teacher. However, when I joked about this at home, my husband grinned and said he agrees with you.

      Those are some interesting insights about Wikipedia and Snopes. Wikipedia once had a Mandela Effect page, but then they deleted it and now forward to either “conflation” or “false memory,” or the skeptical term du jour.

      That’s okay, I still believe it’s a good starting point for checking whether someone is alive or gone, or whether they married so-and-so, etc. Generally, I’m ferocious about following the footnotes to make sure the supporting evidence is there.

      Snopes… well, yes, their initial article about the Mandela Effect was balanced, and only slightly tilted towards skepticism. I was okay with that. Since then, it looks like they’ve made a series of minor tweaks that shift the tone considerably.

      I’m still okay with it, because I feel we have nothing to prove. People who have Mandela Effect memories… they get it. I completely understand why those who haven’t yet stumbled onto a conflicted memory of their own, think we’re “confused,” at best.

      And, like Wikipedia, I feel as if Snopes is a pretty good resource for identifying hoaxes that were spread across social media (and sometimes actual news reports) as if they were facts.

      I’m skipping that article for now, but – since I trust your recommendations – I’m leaving the link in. It sounds like an unsavory story, and this week – with the Coast to Coast AM show in the immediate future – I’m trying to stay focused on tidying my websites & making videos, so people have interesting content to view or listen to, if they’re not already familiar with my work.

      Meanwhile, once again: I really appreciate the time you take to contribute insights and fresh ideas to these conversations. Thank you!

      1. Thank, Fiona. I understand that you’re busy, and I hope that the interview goes well for you. I hope that you and other readers get around to reading the article, at some point, because, even though it is short and (as you pointed out) quite unsavory, there is some important information in there about the trustworthiness of the people running Snopes – especially with the charges of embezzlement. It is frightening, to me, that Facebook has used Snopes as a reference on “fake news.”

        Anyway, I have something else to post. I remembered reading about some stuff that has relevance to this issue in that book by Stephen Braude called: “The Gold Leaf Lady And Other Parapsychological Investigations.” (good book, by the way, in my opinion) Perhaps you can incorporate some of this into a future video. I tend to think that, with my own memories, the question, for me, is how likely it is that I misremembered? It can be a complex thing, but an awful lot of it can come down to common sense, as well. Braude was making a similar point when he wrote about the kinds of circumstances that would cause a memory to be more likely to be true. I’ll post a part from his book on the reliability of eyewitness testimony just below:

        “…it’s important to note that observation reports are never absolutely (or categorically) acceptable. At best, they can only be conditionally acceptable. Granted, sometimes the conditions are clearly satisfied, and so some reports can be highly reliable. Nevertheless, several factors influence whether or not (or to what degree) we accept a particular observation claim. Probably the most important are: (a) the capabilities, condition, interests, and integrity of the observer, (b) the nature of the object/s allegedly observed, and (c) the means of observation and the conditions under which the observation occurred. When we evaluate reports of paranormal phenomena, we weight these factors differently in different cases. But in general, it matters: (a) whether the observers are trained, sober, honest, alert, calm, prone to exaggeration, subject to flights of imagination, blessed with good eyesight, and whether they have strong prior interests in observing carefully and accurately; (b) whether the objects are too small to see easily, whether they’re easily mistaken for other things, or whether (like fairies, extraterrestrials, and unicorns) they’re of a kind whose existence can’t be taken for granted; and (c) whether the objects were observed at close range, with or without the aid of instruments, whether they were stationary or moving rapidly, whether the observation occurred under decent light, through a dirty window, amidst various distractions, etc.”

        I think that a lot of that can be like common sense, but it is helpful that he wrote it down in that way. Not all of those guidelines apply in all situations, and sometimes it might not be possible to get reliable information about all some of those guidelines, but I still think that it is good to try to apply them, whenever possible, when it comes to determining how likely it is that a memory is real.

        1. Ooh, I like that quote, Mark. Thank you! I’ve just ordered a copy from Amazon. (I chose the hardcover edition. It sounds like a book I’ll want to keep on my bookshelf for easy reference.)

          Snopes’ issues – and online credibility – remain a troubling issue. Snopes used to be a convenient resource, but its value was its credibility. I try to accept that nothing stays the same, and it either improves or falters as time goes by. (And sometimes, what happens is: a little of both.)

          But, like everything we’ve learned about the worldwide web over the past couple of decades, I’m confident we’ll find ways to patch the things we can, and cope with those we can’t. I believe much of the issue is a mix of human fallibility and a technology we’re still coming to terms with. I was deeply moved (and impressed) by Jaron Lanier’s introspective thoughts on one way we could “remake” the Internet. It’s a TED Talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/jaron_lanier_how_we_need_to_remake_the_internet

          I don’t agree with him on all points, but I also feel as if he’s had far more time (and insights) to consider what’s happened. It will be interesting to see how our current challenges resolve, and how we can counter-balance human greed, foibles, and (sadly) sometimes rage and misogyny.

          Meanwhile, I try to focus on the positive aspects, such as the opportunity to have conversations like these, among people we might never have met in real life.

          Thanks again for the insights, and the book recommendation. I’m impressed enough by that quote to be sure I’ll enjoy reading it.

  2. Please help me! What’s going on? Why do I have so many memories of things being different? Logos, names, events.
    A man was run over by a tank in the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, China. Nelson Mandela DIED IN THE 80s! Chales M. Schultz is apparently Charles M. Schulz now. The Ford logo, the Volvo logo, and the VolkswagOn, NOT VolkswagEn logo is different. Darth Vader said: “Luke, I am you father” NOT “No, I am your father” (I am a Star Wars fan, and I KNOW this. Why are so many things so different!

    Whats going on? Please help! I think I’m losing my mind

    1. Kassian, watch the video. Follow the steps. And, if you can’t find where those alternate memories came from… well, know that you’re not alone. If you’re deeply troubled by this, talk with a professional about it.

      Personally, I like to think that we’ve had a chance to view other time streams, as if we’re reality-hopping tourists. And now we’re back in our home reality, and a few things are different. But, in general, we still have the same family and friends, and that’s what’s most important.

  3. My husband says he remembers Nelson Mandela died in the 80s. He is saying Barbara Walters did a commercial for Aamco or Midas commercial? He’s been searching and can’t find anything? Does anyone remember this at all?

  4. I remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the late 80s, and I also remember vividly that the Challenger exploded in 1984 when I was 13 (my husband also remember this). I was SHOCKED to see Mandela at a basketball game on TV about ten years ago, and that’s what got me thinking that something was amiss. I filed it away in my folder “things to think about later,” and forgot it until the Mandela Effect had a name. I honestly don’t think this is a case of me ‘misremembering.’ Or my husband, who is as grounded in reality as anyone I know. It leaves me baffled.

    There’s also things that have happened in my personal life where reality was changed in an instant, which leads me to believe there’s something going on that is causing us to flip back and forth between different realities.

    Fiona, you are definitely onto something.

    1. Thanks, Susan! And, like you, I’d filed my Nelson Mandela memory away “to think about later.” And then I forgot about it until the 2009 conversation at Dragon Con, when I learned that others have this same memory.

      It’s kind of bizarre to think about. I choose to imagine that it’s like being a tourist, except we’re not always aware when we’re traveling between realities… until we get back to our “home reality” and discover that a few things are really different here.

      1. I can’t believe that it’s simply confabulation on a large scale. That feels like the easy way out. I’ve pointed it out to a few friends of mine and let me tell you, they’ve all had a great ‘a-ha’ moment. I have to agree with you. We don’t always know it. I think the biggest question I have is: Why are only some of us so aware of it happening (even when we’re barely aware, too)? Even weirder, I can nail down the first time I was aware of the Mandela Effect, like really aware of it. But now, it just feels like a radio in my head being turned just off the channel. Static-y, like other channels are trying to come through. I don’t know how else to explain it without sounding like a complete whack-job.

        1. Hi, Susan! I love how you write. Your voice always comes through, clearly. And I’m nodding and smiling in understanding, as you talk about struggling to explain some of this without sounding a bit mad. Looking back at a few things I said on George Noory’s show, this past Monday night, I winced and though, “Oh dear heaven, I wish I’d phrased that better.” (But, from my email and site comments, it seems as if people understood what I was trying to say. They were on my wavelength – no pun intended.)

          Also, I’ll admit that I love to be there when someone has that moment of discovery. To see the person’s face as they realize they have one of these memories, too… it’s priceless.

          I think awareness comes to many of us – me, included – when someone mentions one of those memories in a context where we have to take this seriously. I probably remembered Nelson Mandela’s alternate death for over 15 years, revisiting it now & then, trying to figure out what I’d confused or confabulated… before Shadow – almost out-of-the-blue – mentioned that others had that memory, too.

          Had I not been at that “right place, right time” moment, I might still be unaware of this phenomenon.

          I’m just grateful that I was, and that I could share this with other people. Over the past 10 years or so, awareness of this concept seems to have grown by leaps & bounds.

          But, we still have so much to understand, and the Mandela Effect can seem overwhelming. So, I understand the appeal of the “confabulation on a large scale” answer. It’s simple. It’s tidy.

          However, it doesn’t work well as the answer for some people, and I suspect that many of them are among those who protest the loudest. I think each of them is trying to convince just one person: him- or herself.

          That’s part of why I made this video. I want people to take the time to rule out confusion and simple misunderstandings. Then, as Conan Doyle said so well – speaking as Sherlock Holmes – “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

  5. Caught part of Coast to Coast last night. I also remember hearing that Nelson Mandela died in prison. I remember thinking how sad that was for him and his family. I was shocked when I heard a report later that he had died after being released from prison.. I questioned my memory of his life and death. Then I started hearing reports of people that had the same memory of his life that I had… Just let it go with life issues.. Thought little about it again until I heard of the death of Jim Nabors in 2017…. I was shocked again as I remember reports of his death years earlier.. and it reminded me of my memory of Mandela. . but was also relieved that many others had the same memory of this that I had.. Yes there is much about our spiritual journey in life that remains a mystery. Have also had the key (object) thing happen We can only pray and be hopeful that at some point in our life journey we will receive answers to all our questions. Thank you Fiona for sharing your knowledge about your life experience and investigations about all spiritual mysteries in life.. PEACE

  6. In Sweden we have a popular drink that is remembered as “Apotekarens Julmust” but people have been freaking out when it actually is “Apotekarnes Jul” (Apotek arnes instead of what is remembered as apotek arens).

    1. Rhia9, I’m nodding in agreement. But, it’s not a memory I’m 100% certain of, and – still catching up on work after the Coast to Coast AM show – I haven’t had time to see if I’m confusing Koko with… I’m not sure who/what else. It would have to be something very similar.

      Still, the sad news about Koko was a double-take for me. I won’t know if it’s the Effect or not (for me), until I have more time to look into this.

  7. I’m a Berenstein Bears person, but I just stumbled across another one that I haven’t seen mentioned:

    I remember the American composer’s name being Aaron Copeland, definitely with an E, but here . . . it’s Copland. No e. CopLand?

    I thought the used Copeland (Copeland, damn it!) CD I bought must have been a cheap knock off, but I looked in my old dictionary’s biography section. It’s no-e here. This feels SO weird, even weirder than Berenstain.

  8. My ex-wife and I both distinctly remembered the lead singer of Crash Test Dummies being a dwarf. I’m not joking. And it’s hard to believe I’m just misremembering something, because I not only remember the video, I also remember talking to friends about it back in the 90s. Everyone knew he was a dwarf. The video for mmm looked a lot different than the one you find on YouTube now and had the camera pointed up at the band with a sky behind them. The singer was clearly a dwarf. That was kind of their whole shtik—being Pearl Jam with a dwarf lead singer! But now that apparently isn’t even vaguely true.

  9. good morning fiona,
    recently i have had a few new mandela effects.
    first while listening to a documentry video on the watergate scandle, the narrator stated that linden johnson took over as president following the jfk assassination, my memory tells me it was richard nixon….

    my next one noted this week as well is orange sherbert, sherbert is now changed to sherbet on the packages at the grocery store..

    my final effect which changes back and fourth throughout the week, is the weather bug ap. when you view the wind speed and radar, it changes from pointing the direction from which the wind blows, to the direction which it has come from…back and fourth several times a week.

    hope you can locate others with similar effect.

    thank you for your time

    Nancy

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